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Week in Review: Steps Forward and Setbacks
D.C Twins replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I actually have faith in Dobnak's long term viability as a 4/5 and feel comfortable penciling him into the starting rotation next year. I think his poor performance was somewhat related to injuries (immediately ducking to avoid incoming) -
Can the Pitching Staff Compete in 2022?
D.C Twins replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Um... It would be business malpractice for Buxton's agent (and himself) to say anything other than he 'wants' to return. You NEVER purposefully remove a potential bidder for your services just in case they drive up the price from somewhere else where you want to go. You cannot take what someone tells you at face value... almost anywhere (insert ANY cable news show here). Remember, even your parents told you Santa Claus was real There were A LOT of people on this site pontificating about how Berrios could/would be signed to an extension by the Twins... so I'm not sure that it is very fair for you to tell them that they were really not doing much thinking- 67 replies
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Are Joe Ryan and Jordan Balazovic inbound to Minnesota?
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Game Score: Twins 6, Brewers 4
D.C Twins replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This needs to be repeated every thread with the hopes that Rocco will eventually pull his head out of his fourth point of contact- 16 replies
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Can the Pitching Staff Compete in 2022?
D.C Twins replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
All three points are true... He has less than 1% chance of playing for the Twins in 2023. Tag this post for posterity if you'd like Again, this doesn't make me happy but that doesn't change the reality. Incidentally, I also said early and often that Berrios was never signing FA contract with us either (and therefore needed to be traded) Wasn't happy about that either, but our level of happiness with a scenario unfortunately does not change reality- 67 replies
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Can the Pitching Staff Compete in 2022?
D.C Twins replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I pains be to see the ongoing denial surrounding Buck. Contrary to what is put out there in the media...Buck does not want to and will not sign long term with the Twins unless they go well past market value (and they will not). He is not happy with: 1. The messing with his service time 2. The mixed messages and lack of a cohesive strategy surrounding developing his hitting within the organization 3. Most recently the Twins petty leaking of their 'offers' to save face. In addition, he does not want to or need to sign a hugely incentive based contract which shifts risk away from the team onto the player. A team will give him lots of guaranteed money on the open market because he does indeed have the potential to be a transformational player. He is not an older reclamation project who needs to sign an incentive based contract. He has MUCH more leverage that that! I don't want to lose him at all and will be profoundly disappointed, BUT we will lose him so we need to focus on getting maximum return.- 67 replies
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Can the Pitching Staff Compete in 2022?
D.C Twins replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
If we go into next year with Ober tagged as our #2..... Yikes! Look out below. He could end up exceeding all expectations and becoming truly dominant, but that is a hope and cannot be a plan- 67 replies
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Can the Pitching Staff Compete in 2022?
D.C Twins replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
No. For a deep playoff run, not even close. Unfortunately we should be building for most likely 2024 for the window to crack back open. Goal should be to debut a number of promising pitchers next year, build confidence and success in 2023, and be ready to compete for playoff type success 2024. That is if most things go right. Not a fun take, but very realistic.- 67 replies
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This! Please take a look back at his SO/BB ratio and his OPS from his last full season playing (in A mind you). Since then, he has not played in 2 years (AFL does not take precendence over a full season as mentioned previously on this thread). He is not in my top five and is actually behind Miranda as well so make that outside my top 6. His position could change based on performance like all the prospects, but with our current data there is no way he is the #1 prospect of the organization. I sincerely hope he returns to the #1 ranking in the future, but he's absolutely not that now.
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Game Score: White Sox 11, Twins 1
D.C Twins replied to Nate Palmer's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Burrows, Barnes, Rooker, Sano..... I've seen enough of all of them to know that they are not a part of any successful Twins future....- 25 replies
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Week in Review: Deadline Frenzy
D.C Twins replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
FO deserves a fair amount of credit: 1. Great return and perfect trade timing for Berrios. He was not coming back to us. 2. Good return for Cruz... exceeded expectations 3. They are damn magicians for getting anything in return for Robles and Happ (Happ?!? I'm mean whaaaat?!) Buuuuuuuuut, Only excuse for not trading Pineda is if the only return offered was a B or C prospect that had to be added the 40 man at the end of the season (we already have a glut there). I have a hard time believing that was the case. Stop with the leader/mentor nonsense. We could sign him for next year during the off season if he is that great of a mentor. Stop with the 'staying respectable for the rest of the season'... for what... to get a worse draft pick?! Huge miss on that one -
Game Score: Tigers 17, Twins 14
D.C Twins replied to Andrew Thares's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Wow.....just two horrible teams having a pillow fight... Quick try to trade Sano at peak value!!!!- 45 replies
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Don't distract yourselves with incentives. Buxton and his agent will be focusing on guaranteed dollars for his one chance at a FA contract in his prime. I would looooooove to sign Buxton to an incentive laden contract just like I'd love to only buy insurance only after I got sick or had an accident. Buxton and his agent already took the risk of waiting this long for FA, why on earth would they suddenly give that leverage away by taking an incentive laden extension and give up on FA? The Twins know this and knew he would never accept their 'offer' I desperately want to keep Buck, it just isn't going to happen. I'm simply trying to infuse a does of reality and expectation management to the situation
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We don't know what the counter offer was.... I suspect they just tossed something back ludicrously high to highlight how ridiculous the Twins offer was. Anyhoo, I promise you that Buxton will not be signing an extension with the Twins and it is OK if the Twins think the risk>reward.... I just ask that they be honest with it instead of face saving low ball offers.
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Buxton WILL get multiple offers for guaranteed money > 100 million on the open market. Again, it is not about if you think he SHOULD get those offers... He WILL get them. I have no problem with the Twins FO/ownership determining that the risk/reward is unacceptable (after all... they should be experts in such things) Just spare me the nonsense that 70-80 million guaranteed over 7 years is a serious market value offer. If that your 'offer' just be honest with the fan base and tell them you don't think the risk is worth the potential reward!
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Minor League Report (7/25): Fantastic Feliz!
D.C Twins replied to Nash Walker's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
Dear Twins FO, What exactly do you want me to still be working on down here in AAA... an OPS of 1.200? Have you seen the team you are rolling out there in the MLB? I'm pretty sure I can help. Yours Truly, Miranda- 9 replies
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There are two parts to the Buxton discussion. 1. What will he be worth on the open market? Answer: Significantly more than the Twins are offering (and they would have to be HIGHER than other clubs because they have done nothing to ingratiate themselves to him). Again... this is not if YOUR AGREE with what he will get on the open market... just what HE WILL get on the open market. He is not going to take incentive based contract when someone will give him guaranteed money. Using Hicks contract as a starting point for guaranteed money is BAT #$%& Crazy! 2. Should they offer him market value? Answer: Now THIS is where the discussion lies. Good arguments to be made on both sides.... personally, I would give him a 5 year 125 million contract (that would at least be an offer that would show the Twins are doing something other than PR damage control). I think his likely WAR justifies it even if he only plays 100-110 game a year. But, I completely get the counter argument. We can all agree High Risk/High Reward. In summary, the Twins are clearly not offering market value and they know it But, IF they should offer market value is a very fair discussion.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people still believe that Buxton may stay with the Twins. The writing has been on the wall for at least 6 months and to me for 12-18 months. He has been pissed at the Twins for service time manipulation and mixed messages for hitting instruction during his development for years now. He is going to free agency and he is going to get paid and the Twins are going to lose any bidding war. Time to pull head out of sand and get maximum trade value. This is all tired PR spin on the Twins part (We tried soooooooooo much); but clearly this still works on a lot of people so I guess I can't blame the Twins for deploying such a tired strategy.
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Minor League Report (7/24): Some Strong Corn
D.C Twins replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
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Adding two AAA ready replacement pitchers would be consistent with a strategy to trade Pineda and Barrios (Sorry....nobody wants Happ...He will eat innings here the rest of the year
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Not Good? Be Interesting (Twins Hitting)
D.C Twins replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The "Be Interesting" headline juxtaposed with Rocco's picture made me laugh out loud!!! Thank you Ted!- 10 replies
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Ken Rosenthal: Twins Trying to Sign Buxton Long Term
D.C Twins replied to Vanimal46's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
In my opinion, history strongly suggests otherwise. In this particular case, the question is who leaked the information an why? The second question is why would anyone rationally think that he would accept a 70 million extension (even if over 4 years)? 1. He will get far more on the open market... a minimum of 100 million over 4-5 years (again, it is not about if you agree with it, it is about if a team will pay him. and THEY WILL). The Twins know this....and all the GMs know this....and Buxton's agent knows this... So, the offer is 10s of millions low.....ergo it is a low ball offer 2. Buxton is not happy with the Twins about service time manipulation or how they developed him (see past quote where he said that he was no longer accepting advice on his swing from the organization and 'listening to himself'..... ouch... So not only will the Twins not receive a home town discount... they would have to exceed other offers which is not going to happen. Buxton is gone, the only question is when and with what return. I don't like it one bit (he's a transformational talent, but he is gone (100%).... feel free to save this post and club me over the head with it if I'm wrong

