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  1. To be fair that CBS list is a fantasy baseball list. Not sure that's something anyone should really care about when it comes to the Twins winning games. I agree it'd be nicer to see more Twins arms appear on prospect lists, though. But the general thought around Twins Territory is that Jose Miranda is a vital, big-time prospect now and you'll notice he isn't on any of those lists. Fangraphs has Balazovic (44), Duran (81), SWR (85), and Canterino (97) in their top 100. I think that's why it's so important for teams to have a ton of pitching prospects. I'd rather have 10 dudes with 45+ future value scouting reports than 2 dudes with 55+ future value scouting reports and nobody else above a 40. I mean Gore went from the top pitching prospect in the game to not being able to throw a strike. Quantity is a huge part of pitching development. Not predicting the Twins have a bunch of aces waiting in the wings, but I like how they're setup right now.
  2. There is a 60 day IL for the minors. The Twins will option Enlow to the minors in spring training and place him on the 60 day IL. It will cost them an option year, but not ML service time.
  3. That's an interesting site. Do they have similar analysis for more than the 2020 season?
  4. Torn ACLs don't really end careers in the modern days of medicine, they're pretty routine at this point. He's healed from that surgery and was on the field playing fake games in FL before the end of the season. My point isn't that they should rush him, it's that him not having played in 2 years doesn't mean what you suggested it means (that he won't get more than a cup of coffee was your prediction). I mean you said "any MLB playing time for Lewis should be viewed as a major success." I disagree. I think MLB playing time for Lewis should be expected in 2022. The reason for getting him to the majors is he'll be 23 next year and if he's going to be their SS of the future getting his licks in in 2022 instead of 2023 or later makes a ton of sense. I think the general consensus is that 2022 won't be a legit year of contention for the Twins (unless every coin flip comes up heads), but I haven't seen many people who don't think 2023 should be. If you're trying to really contend in 2023 you better know darn well who your starting SS is and not still be hoping and crossing your fingers for Royce Lewis to be it because you didn't play him in the majors in 2022 when you were breaking in the rest of your young players. Now if they sign Story or something crazy like that it changes things. But if 2022 is your "break in the young guys" season Lewis should absolutely be involved in that for far more than a September callup unless he is looking like he's not the same player at which point he's not your future SS anyways and none of this matters.
  5. I was referring to the zips projections having Polanco at SS, not the Twins. I don't think the Twins have any intention of playing him there, but Doctor Gast was comparing Semien and Polanco and the positions they're listed at so I was just explaining that zips has him at SS due to the timing of things and there not being another SS on the roster.
  6. They rate and list them at where they would/are likely to play. I don't get the argument. Why would they rate and list Semien as a SS when he plays 2B? Semien is a better SS than Polanco for sure, and I really hope the Twins don't move Polanco back to short next year, but at this point Polanco is the SS of the Twins next year (unless you think Gordon is starting there). This is more of just a timing issue of when this came out. Once the Twins bring in a new SS Polanco will go back to being listed as the 2B.
  7. I'm certainly not predicting it, and the FO shouldn't be planning on it, but I see a lot of talk about him only getting a cup of coffee next year and I think there's a very real chance he gets significant time. Or at least I wouldn't be shocked if he did.
  8. I wouldn't be mad about a Bryant signing. I think he'd be a very good piece. Would much prefer to spend on Story, though. Bryant in LF and 3B would be very useful for the Twins, but I think for less money they can get Story to fill a bigger need at SS. I would not be totally surprised if a move like this is made after the lockout ends. Much like the Donaldson deal. There's no arms left to spend on and I wouldn't be shocked if they added a bat. Would be nice actually.
  9. Why can't Royce Lewis do what Akil Baddoo did just this last year?
  10. Marcus Semien is 100% a 2B. He started 146 games at 2B and 14 at SS. He'll be Texas' 2B this year with Corey Seager at short. He's a 2B and holds the record for most HR hit in a single season as a 2B with 45 last year.
  11. The idea of not making a trade at all is too broad. If you can do another Odo or Maeda deal (or 2 or 3) absolutely go for it. Those were great deals for the Twins (even with Maeda getting hurt). But I agree that trading future value for a shot at a worst to first season in 2022 is ill-advised. Even if they made a trade for one of the Reds or As pitchers so many people are talking about, they'd still be relying heavily on young players playing big roles. It doesn't make sense to me to trade away from the pool of young players you need to play big roles to not be able to fill enough spots to not have to rely on the young players. If you're going to have to rely on young players anyways just rely on the young players. If one deal would be a "put you over the top" move it'd be a different story. And if they signed Story I would be more interested in that story. But as currently constituted I'd be more upset with them trading a slew of young guys for 1 pitcher with 1 or 2 years of control. At that point you're not making the 2022 team good enough to matter while also lowering the assets you have for future years. I'm more supportive of the "out getters" philosophy of pitching than most (even if it's not as enjoyable to watch). I'm good with a Pineda type signing or 2 and going with a whole cavalcade of guys going once or twice through the order and just having a flood of arms coming through Minneapolis. It's where the league seems to be going anyways. Why not have the Twins be the first to dive in and get the slight advantage of nobody being quite used to it yet? Trades should never be off the table completely as a talent acquisition option, but I agree with the article in the sense that I don't want them doing the trades likely necessary for the Reds or As pitchers people want. The Twins are in a bad spot of their offense being ready and their pitching not. It's really hard to find someone willing to give up major league pitching for major league hitting. Twins best trade options are major league hitters for AAA arms just about ready to debut (Cruz for Ryan/Strotman) or Odo/Maeda type deals.
  12. I'm with the crowd that is saying the only surplus of COF the Twins have is bodies. This list is lacking greatly in upside. Looks like Kepler, Larnach, a 1B (Kirilloff), and a bunch of AAA/AAAA guys. I'm also with the crowd that hopes to see Martin in LF and Lewis in RF with Buxton in CF. My plan for July/August 2022 (assuming they're not really competing for a division title) would be Martin-Buxton-Lewis OF. Donaldson-Story-Polanco-Kirilloff IF. Garver-Jeffers C. Gordon, Miranda, Arraez, Celestino bench. With the emphasis on lifting the ball and looking for extra base hits I'd move both Martin and Lewis to the OF and have what would likely be the best defensive OF in baseball (when Buxton is healthy). But my plan A this offseason has always been to sign Story to allow the fringy SS prospects to move. If that doesn't happen then I'm good with Martin-Buxton-Kepler and Lewis at SS. Kepler is the only COF guy with trade value right now. If we're not competing and you can flip him for another young arm at the deadline I'd do that. This list is not encouraging, though. I don't see the depth, or surplus, that others talk about. Not many ML quality players on this list.
  13. (Following numbers pulled from Cot's as opening day 26-man roster totals) To be fair the Tigers spent like crazy under Mike Ilitch, but Chris has sliced and diced payroll since he took over (200M last year of Mike's tenure (RIP), 125M very next year under Chris with 115, 43, and 81M payrolls to follow). Not saying he won't spend like his dad, but we certainly can't say he will yet. Didn't splurge on Correa a month ago so there's at least 1 data point that he won't just blow the top off things. The White Sox topped out at 127M in 2011. They were at 128 last year. Not sure why the Twins aren't a comp there. They're playing in basically the exact same financial waters. KC and Cleveland are definitely "cycle" teams in that they spend when they think they have a shot, but will slash payrolls after. Twins don't slash quite so low, but they have some "cycle-ness" to them, too. But I think Nick's point is that the max payrolls (until Chris Ilitch shows differently) for this division are all in roughly the same spot.
  14. Oh, I get it. I'm concerned about 2022 just like everyone else. My point is that the storyline very quickly switched for certain fans to this FO being completely incompetent and having no ability to build a pitching staff. There's a large number of posters on this site who speak about this FO having to go because they have no ability to sign, trade for, or develop pitching. There's a large number of posters on here who have written off 2022 already because they feel this FO has no ability to put out a successful pitching staff in general. There's a large number of posters on this site who claim Rocco and the FO have only had success because of a historic HR hitting season. All of those stances ignore the actual results this team has seen. Not saying they shouldn't be ripped for 2021. Not saying they've successfully setup the team for 2022. Just saying 2021 was 1 season and talking like this FO has completely failed on the pitching front is ignoring a massive amount of previous success. Saying 2022 is doomed because they didn't sign certain guys is ignoring their previous successes at snagging very successful players late in the offseason on multiple occasions already. Thus the "what have you done for me lately" comment. Stepping back and taking in all of the information we have should lead people to be concerned for 2022, but also realize this FO has put together incredibly effective pitching staffs with late offseason moves on multiple occasions so all hope is not lost and we don't need to freak out just yet. Just saying fans should have some more perspective.
  15. The "what have you done for me lately" greatness of fandom. This FO is apparently the worst in the history of baseball at building pitching staffs despite being #2 in all of baseball in pitching WAR for 2019 and 2020 combined.
  16. Makes us feel warm and fuzzy when they "try" the way we want them to try. That's why I feel warm and fuzzy about building a pitching pipeline.
  17. Thanks for writing this, Nick. Been saying it for years now. The plan has always been to develop a pitching pipeline. It's the only way for the Twins, or any team really (even the big spenders! Go look at the Yankees recent struggles compared to their ability to produce their own arms and the Dodgers success compared to their ability to produce their own arms), to be consistently good. You need to build out your systems for scouting, acquiring, and developing pitching. That didn't happen overnight. It took them a year or 2 to get things in place the way they want them and start getting their staff used to what they're doing and how to do it to get things firing on all cylinders. That's what Falvey was hired for. Take a completely outdated system and turn it into a modern one on the cutting edge. They've had their chance to accomplish that and now it's time to start seeing the results. Sports are a "what have you done for me lately" industry, and I get that. But if we take a step back and look at the entire Falvine era we can see that this is their approach. They sign veterans to short-term deals with the plan of having their young pitchers come up, establish themselves, and reduce the number of veteran arms they need to bring in. The goal is that you never have to sign a veteran as there's just a constant flow of young arms coming in and replacing guys. It's what makes Cleveland and Tampa teams that can contend (as others have mentioned). If we just look at this offseason (which, as Nick, and others, keep saying, isn't over yet!) on it's own it's awfully frustrating and hard to see any plan since there's clearly a place to bring in veteran arms. But I can respect, and understand, that they've had a plan in place for years and they're not going to change it now. As well they shouldn't. Make a plan and stick to it. That's how a team should be run. Just execute better. The Twins have built their system and have a whole host of arms reaching the point they need to start protecting them. 2020 covid madness and 2021 injury avalanche pretty well blew things up. I'm certainly not saying I think they've handled the adversity super well, but I don't think you blow up the entire plan, start signing big deals, and trading arms because of unfortunate circumstances. This is their plan. This will always be their plan. And if they are successful with it they can be Cleveland with the money to keep their offense together. If they're successful building their pipeline and can continuously churn out big league arms they can build a great offense with their payroll advantage over the Tampas and Clevelands of the league. The question is whether or not they can develop those arms. We start finding out for real in 2022.
  18. False. The offseason is over every time a FA I wanted doesn't sign here!
  19. The prospects I'm waiting for are any and every arm. The pitching pipeline will determine what the next 5 years of Twins teams looks like. They're who I'm waiting for and hoping to see good things from. On the hitting side I'm looking for Martin. He was my favorite hitter coming out in 2020 that wasn't named Spencer Torkelson and I think he has the highest floor/ceiling mix of any prospect in the system. His bat control and patience look special to me and I think he could hit for a decent average in the majors from opening day 2022. I've also seen him hit impressive homers both to right and left which makes me think his ceiling is superstar, even if it isn't likely. I think he's hitting in the top 3 of the Twins order for the next 10 years and expect him to reach the majors in 2022.
  20. My understanding is teams can communicate and even come to terms on trades during the lockout. It's the owners locking out the players. So team officials are still in their offices plugging away, but they can't speak to players or their reps and players aren't allowed in team facilities.
  21. Larnach is an interesting hitter. He's actually a great example of what happens when guys are called up too early. He's been much more pull happy in the pros than he was in college. The concern with him coming out of college is that he couldn't turn on inside fastballs and pull the ball, especially with power. He was a left center gap hitter in college. In order to close the hole on the inside corner he's been focused on being able to get to that pitch and pull it with power. He already has the natural ability to drive the ball the other way, especially to left center. The last step of his development is to be able to marry his inside swing with his outside swing. That's where major league pitchers took advantage of him. He had spent the last few years working on that inside corner and was working on that in the minors, where you're supposed to work on such things, then got forced into major league time before he was ready. His challenge moving forward is to marry his swings to be able to take a pitch wherever it's thrown and do damage. From all accounts he's been hitting obsessed since high school so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he seems to be so dedicated to the art of hitting and will do everything he can to succeed. Will be interesting to see what he can accomplish. Baseball Savant spray chart for reference:
  22. I'm not at all suggesting there weren't conversations between the Twins and the AFL staff. I'm suggesting the conversations were "you don't have a priority spot at SS so if you send Royce Lewis we can't guarantee him innings at short, but will try to fit him in here and there." The Twins were ok with that because their biggest concern was getting him ABs after a less than stellar year that started with an injury. Because they couldn't play him at SS the Twins asked for him to be played in CF and at 3B instead so they could at least gain some info on what he looks like in those places. Your first post said them playing him in CF may be a sign of real concern about his ability to play SS. I've simply stated that the roster rules were the reason he wasn't played at SS in the AFL. There is nothing to agree or disagree on the AFL roster rules and how the priorities are given to players for playing different positions. The Twins were 3rd in line at short. That was the impetus for Royce playing CF and 3B. Had the Twins had the priority at SS Royce would've spent most of his innings at short. I've never been to the AFL, and am jealous that you have. I hope to make it someday. But I have worked in the baseball industry and have a number of former coworkers who've worked for AFL teams. I do realize what goes on behind the scenes in the AFL concerning how prospects are played. The Twins weren't mad about having to move Royce around the field as it gave them insight on future possibilities, and we all know the Twins love their flexibility under Falvine. But his position distribution in the AFL was about roster rules and being 3rd in line for the SS position, not the Twins wanting to move him around.
  23. I think Gordon is our backup CFer in 2022 until Lewis and/or Martin get the callup. I don't think we ever see Cave in a Twins uniform again. By the end of 2022 or start of 2023 Celestino is the 4th OFer where he stays for his entire tenure with the Twins. None of the prospects (to be clear I mean non-Lewis or Martin prospects) excite me in the near-term. Urbina and Rodriguez have some exciting upside, but are way too far away as of this moment to have a strong feeling on one way or another. But with Buxton locked in for 7 more years they don't exactly need big time prospects knocking down the CF door. I think Gordon, Celestino, Lewis, and Martin provide enough security behind Buxton for now.
  24. As far as Brujan goes he was also playing on the same teams as Taylor Walls (an elite SS glove prospect). The Rays also have Xavier Edwards and Greg Jones as big time up the middle talents who move around. It's how the Rays do things. But that's neither here nor there. The fact of the 2019 AFL roster situation is the Twins didn't have a priority player assignment for short stop and they simply couldn't get Royce playing time there. They were obviously willing to let him play other positions in order to get him some extra at bats after a bad season. The Twins new from the start Lewis wouldn't be getting SS innings and there wasn't anything they could do about it. They could either send him and have him play all over or they could keep him home. The Twins had no ability to force the Salt River manager to play him at short. They felt the biggest need was just to get him ABs and get his swing back in order and they were willing to have him play other positions to get him those ABs. Your original post suggested him playing CF in the AFL was a sign the Twins didn't plan to have him play SS in the majors. That wasn't the reasoning for him playing mostly CF and 3B. To get him the ABs they had to let them play him wherever they could fit him in.
  25. I didn't watch much minor league ball at all so I'm really only going off the numbers. I'm certainly not a huge fan of the pick (you have to be Nelson Cruz as a hitter to be worthy of a 1st rd pick if you can't field at all), and am certainly not predicting great future success. I just think the kid got more hate than was necessary considering it was his first taste of pro ball right after having his season cut short due to covid. If his numbers are similar next year I'll be on your side with the full on doubts, but I watched him some in college and being patient at the plate with the power to hit it 420 to any part of the park gives me some tempered hope. We'll both cross our fingers and hope he becomes Nelson Cruz in a few years. Even if it isn't at all likely.
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