Taildragger8791
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To your point, I don't think these models accurately capture a loss like this. Players aren't just stats on a box score. You can't easily quantify his leadership on a staff experiencing a youth infusion, his ability to be a stopper when the team is scuffling, and his ability to take pressure off the bullpen which most other nights is picking up 5 high leverage innings. I also think these models overrate young prospects. It's not just dropping in a smooth 4.50 ERA in place of a 3.70 ERA. There will be an uncomfortable number of blow-up starts while sorting out readiness and learning curves for half-baked rookies. The bullpen will be taxed and see a collectively higher ERA. Other starters may have to eat more innings on an off night because the bullpen needs a break. To me this is easily 4-5 losses unless they find another steady arm, and that assumes Ryan and Ober are solid all year.
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The difference is those teams winning with power still have guys that take consistently quality at-bats and hit for average or draw walks. Not a bunch of low average, low contact, station-to-station hitters barely surpassing 25 HRs and giving up 7-8 easy outs every trip through the lineup.
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I'm not convinced he took less. I think that is just what the market would bear for a guy who had not shown he could stay healthy, nor had he put together a full season of consistent production. He'd also have risked that chronic knee issue coming up in a physical exam and getting red-flagged like Correa was with his ankle/foot. He got a fair deal that balanced the upside and downside of his unique situation.
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Rooker has warmed up the last couple of weeks after a slow start. I always liked Rooker's ability to show growth at each level after his initial struggles upon promotion. He showed the ability to make adjustments and figure out how to be productive. But it was a huge question mark whether it would happen at the MLB level so I don't blame the Twins for moving him in a roster crunch.
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I'm just upset I wasted money on the full-season MLB.tv package instead of going month-to-month so I could cancel already. This poo poo platter is not going to improve much, and if it does they'll be so buried it won't matter. At this point I'm worried they'll need to sell off the few valuable parts they have and go into a soft rebuild by mid-season. They need at least 4 hitters better than anyone on the roster now, and those guys can't be butchers in the field. Tough to pull off. Someone else made an enlightening comment when they asked "who would you want at the plate in a big at-bat today?". I'm disheartened that I couldn't answer that question. I'd say Wallner when healthy, but after that...oof.
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Being in a mediocre division has set the bar low for this team for years. There's little pressure to compete at the level of other divisions that have true contenders year in and year out. Shooting for 90 wins in a weak division is settling for mediocrity, and leaves little margin for error when things don't go smoothly.
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It's fine man, it was just a direct shot to his throwing shoulder. How much could that really affect a pitcher anyways?
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Wasn't there rumors that MLB changed to ball for the playoffs? No more super-fun bouncy ball meant the homerun-dependent lineup was neutered. It's hard enough as it is to rely on HRs to score in the playoffs, considering the pitching quality and intensity is so much higher.
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There's also the high risk that one or both miss significant time and the defense becomes a total wildcard.
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Buxton, Correa, Miranda, and Lewis reporting healthy and ready to go should be the bare minimum expectation, not grounds for an A offseason. Their health prospects in September/October is what concerns me. I fail to see how even a quick sale likely would be officially completed in time for the new owners to make any notable moves before the season. But we'll see.
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The Pohlad Empire (Part Two): A Bus-ted System
Taildragger8791 replied to Peter Labuza's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I can't open some of the links but the articles states that $160 million was the MEI company's profit over the 20+ years. MEI had multiple investments that roll up to that $160 million figure. The article alleges that the bus system's $2MM profits were inflated by the lack of reinvestment, and the value extracted from the bus system was invested into unrelated businesses. Thus the run-down assets (garages/busses) and depressed value on final sale. If the system were being run sustainably and with the intent to grow it, that direct profit would have been considerably less. -
Those guys didn't really blow up until mid/late career. Sano was ballooning from the day he got his cup of coffee. I don't think people are just saying lazy instead of fat. They're extrapolating that his physical fitness in his early 20's is indicative of his overall approach to his game. The fact that his game stagnated and he never developed beyond "see ball (poorly), hit ball" just aligns to the 'lazy' descriptor and makes it easy to lay that label on him. The lower body injuries didn't help, but they largely came about because he wasn't training properly for his sport. Zion Williamson is going through the same thing right now.
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I didn't say "all the pitchers". I said "all the elbow issues", as in the multiple times we've traded for or acquired guys with suspect arms and had it blow up immediately or after a year. I get that it's a lottery ticket but it's still a 40-man roster spot and with Vazquez likely outgoing and the physical toll that catchers take on, there's a fair chance he'd be counted on at some point. I don't get worked up about the 3rd-4th catcher, but I still thought it worth pointing out that a persistent back injury is a big concern that seems glossed over here.
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Pohlad's definitely shouldn't own a team if they don't want to commit what it takes to compete. It's not just a business, it's a cultural icon for many in Minnesota and a lot of careers are dependent on it. They have had only fleeting success in the last 30 years since faceplanting their way to a couple of world series. It just ain't happening, go find another business to milk and let Minnesotans have their team. That said, with the new lower payroll ceiling the FO has really screwed the pooch here as well. Correa and Buxton have 1/3 of the team payroll locked up for the foreseeable future and can't make it through 3/4 of a season. Their top young players are SS/CF prototypes, but are now displaced to less ideal positions. Neat.
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Attendance will only get worse as the Twins become more “out of sight, out of mind” due to lack of distribution. I haven’t been able to see more than a handful of games on tv in 2 years. My young kids have very little awareness of the Twins or baseball. Am I expected to spend $200 to take the family to the park so my kids can watch players they don’t know or care about? Attendance is also tamped down by 20 years of mediocre teams that just skate along in a bad division most years. Last year was finally a breakthrough and ownership crapped all over it with their attitude towards payroll and bungling of the TV deal.
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On top of all the other challenges with getting youth into modern baseball, it's going to be even harder when I can't have the game on in the background for my kids to pick up on. My son is only 5 but is starting to pick up interest in sports and is asking lots of questions about the basketball and football teams he sees on TV. Baseball isn't on his radar and until he can play he won't even understand what it is. Soccer, basketball, and football are prevalent at these young ages, and I hope to get him into golf with me. At some point there won't be any room left to care about another sport.

