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Here is exactly what you said. "How has not trading worked for teams that stood pat? They didn't win either. " You have made this point several times in the past few years and sure is hell is not to point out that mediocre teams are not going to win either way. That's not at all what you were representing.
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I am happy to see them move on and give that roster spot to someone that might be able to provide value now and in the future. Getting anything in return is a bonus.
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You're surprised that mediocre teams that did not invest at the deadline did not win the WS? You're surprised that teams that the organization did not think were worthy of investment did not win the WS? When was the last time a team in the bottom half of revenue invest heavily at the deadline and those acquisitions were impactful. There has only been one such team in the past couple of decades (2015 Royals) and Ben Zobrist sure as hell was not the difference in the Royals winning the WS. There are literally zero examples in the past 20+ years so your logic is exceptionally flawed. It takes an accumulation of talent to get to the WS. Trading long-term assets for short-term assets is very rarely the way to get that done. If you bother to look at the winning teams in the bottom half of revenue and how their rosters were built this point in quite obvious.
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The data overwhelming suggests that trading for prospects and the deadline is far more impactful to winning than trading prospects for rentals. The impact of trading for prospects is not immediate but it is far more effective. That's not to say there are not times when it makes sense to add but trading when the team is not a true contender is a suckers bet.
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It would be great if he played so well that it's hard to replace him with Keaschall 3 or 4 weeks from now. I would be happy to see him play well enough to be great in a bench role this year and going forward. He is better defensively and more versatile than I expected.
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I would love to see Cartaya turn it around but he has not been good offensively since high A. His OPS last year in AAA for LA was 643. Maybe he was rushed and he comes around offensively. Cardenas has always hit except last year so there seems to be some basis to expect he can continue to hit. It could be argued that Diaw has the highest ceiling and is therefore the best "prospect". IDK. It's certainly not clear cut.
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You would rate the catcher with a 390 OPS the best catching prospect?
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Does this promotion for Cardenas set the stage for Cardenas. If he continues to hit at AAA, is he the back-up catcher next year? I suppose it depends on what's available on the free agent market but he can't be worse offensively than Vazquez, can he?
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As long as he maintains this level of offensive production, the Twins best line-up is Buxton in CF, Bader in LF with one of Wallner/Larnach in right and the other DHing. Castro might be a slightly better bat but the defensive presence is far more valuable than any offensive difference between the two. Where is the gain if Bader is lifted so that both Larnach and Wallner or Castro are in the OF given one of them can DH?
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I agree. It's not insurmountable. Just trying to get away from the hyperbole and put the advantage in perspective. The Dodgers have won 90 games in the last 13 straight seasons. The number of 90 win seasons for the 16 teams that most frequently appear in the bottom half of revenue is listed below. Only 1 team (Cleveland) in the bottom half of revenue has won 90 games in 50% of the last 13 seasons. Half of the teams have only one 90 win season in the past 13 years and only one has won a WS. The number of 90 win seasons is listed below. I think a fair assessment would be that the revenue advantage is very significant. Cleveland 7 0.518 Tampa 5 0.530 Brewers 4 0.518 Oakland 3 0.494 Orioles 3 0.469 Mariners 2 0.506 Tigers 2 0.455 Pirates 2 0.478 TWINS 1 0.486 Dbacks 1 0.469 White Sox 1 0.436 Reds 1 0.475 Rockies 1 0.452 Royals 1 0.444 Padres 1 0.479 Marlins 0 0.455
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Sure, it's possible for lower revenue teams to have success. However, 2X revenue is an undeniable advantage. Also, in the context of this thread, what did the Tigers do last year at the deadline? How were the non-drafted players making a significant contribution acquired. Were they established players acquired for prospects or prospects acquired for established players?
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This is a reasonable take given the way you qualified "if they linger". We just are not there yet. Teams quite frequently turn seasons around. We have a good SP staff and BP. We were without Wallner and we have the potential for great improvement from Lewis and the addition of Keaschall. Correa is also underperforming. They have enough offense if two of Correa, Lewis, and Keaschall contribute significantly. The nature of the name of the game is collecting enough assets to actually contend. We can't buy them so supplementing our long-term assets by trading short-term assets makes a great deal of sense. Cleveland and Tampa have demonstrated quite clearly the value in trading short-term assets. Many Fans are always going to want a heavy emphasis on the present. It's true anything is possible if you get in the playoffs but over emphasis on the short-term focus is a good recipe for long-term ineptitude. I hope the players you mentioned perform such that we have a decent shot at post season success. However, if the team is a longshot, go ahead and improve our future with trades that provide a reasonable chance of improving the teams for several years to come are available.
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1M Teilon Serrano 1.2M Carlos Taveras 1.7M Haritzon Castillo Could not find an amount for Jhomnardo Reyes
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If the team is performing about the same at the deadline, "being stuck in the middle" won't be a product of an unwillingness to spend. It will be a product of having a team that is not going to become a true contender as a result of adding one player. There biggest underperforming positions are 3B, SS, and back-up catcher. The best chance we have for improvement is Correa playing up to his ability and Royce getting it together.
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Hill and Prielipp are the two most intriguing pitchers in the system right now if you consider Matthews as already having graduated. Anyone know when Soto is supposed to be back?
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Is Brock Stewart Underappreciated?
Major League Ready replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I have always been a supporter of Stewart. He just does not stay on the field enough to be fully appreciated. His K/9 over his tenure with the Twins is the highest on the team at 12.43. Duran 11.42 and Jax 11.52. His ERA 2.45. Duran 2.61 and Jax 3.14 since 2023. Let's hope Stewart can stay healthy. -
Not really. Unless my memory is failing me Teel was projected to go 8-10 picks after Jenkins which is what happened.
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Good news .... Quite a few great stories among position players this year. The mid-year prospect updates are going to be very interesting. Bad News ...... Marco Raya.
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Where are you getting this information. According to Fangraphs, he is not a free agent until 2029?
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They are not going to just toss Lewis to the side. He will get every opportunity. It's also not like they won't have someone to take that spot in the playoffs if Lewis does not come around. They have multiple people that could fill that position. I could see 1B but they are going to make room for Keaschall. They are going to have a lot of IF depth when Keaschall comes back and he can play some 1B. France is actually playing very well of late after a couple of weeks of struggling. If Clemmens stays hot he is a possibility as well if France slumps. All of this makes this discussion quite premature. All of this will be much clearer 6 weeks from now.
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I was thinking the same thing a couple weeks ago. He has risen from the ashes before so I would not be certain about Miranda. He has struck out once in his last 50 ABs, has a 306 BA and 860 OPS. I think he still has a mountain to climb but I would not bet the ranch against him.
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Salas could be a big story this year. I remember there being some hype around him when he was added in the Arraez deal. Then, he was quite bad and forgotten. 892 OPS this year and he can play all over the diamond. One guy that can back-up SS and CF is nice to have. Would love to see him pan out. It would make the Arraez trade look really good. Can you speak to his ability to play SS, Seth?
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OK but the question was who do you replace. You are not replacing Bride if you acquire a DH. Last night the DH was Larnach. The most likely DHs are Wallner, Larnach, Buxton, and Jeffers. The gain would be minimal, and the cost would be defensive depth and flexibility. I presume T.O posed this question to prompt a more nuanced discussion that addressed specifics instead of a concept.
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Are you suggesting they trade for a guy to replace Bride? I am pretty sure the original post was asking which starter would you replace? Where would the greatest incremental gain be? Obviously, there is a possibility to improve over most of our starters, even Correa. Replacing Bride would be pretty meaningless.
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The whole thing depends on another team interpreting the underlying numbers & results and believing he can contribute. Sometimes teams believe. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong but it does happen. Where I see as the bigger problem is a contender looking for help giving up a good major league player for Paddack. Any team investing in a current team will be looking to trade prospects. The question becomes if we have a suitable replacement such we would not be losing much and is the future value meaningful. Cleveland, Oakland, and Tampa have used these types of trades to sustain success but it's not a popular move with fans. No rule says they can't trade Paddack for prospects and buy a bat with prospects.
