Hawkeye Bean Counter

The qualifying offer occurs before the CBA expires. Yes future years it is gone but it’s still viable for this year. Due to market dynamics he is likely traded in an overpay, a team that plans to sign him to long term contract Yankees, or Tampa Bay who views him as the final piece. There are now 5 teams interested in a catcher and Jeffers is the only elite/very good catcher left. The value will be more than a comp pick.

Other than Jeffers we had invested almost zero into the position the last 10 years. Diaw a 3rd rounder, then a bunch of mid to late round prospects. It’s not like the organization was drafting immense talent and not capitalizing on it.

Dang that’s disappointing for Anderson. He was given some opportunities and performed. The question is do they view him as a starter or reliever. If they want to lengthen him out it could be done at the AAA level. Cole Sands back up finally.

I think multiple things can be true and that’s what sums up the Tinney pick. I think Tinney was the path the Twins were going to take if one of the shortstops fell. They can state he was at the top of the board, but what they didn’t state was they wanted to capture significant savings at this pick to sign a high school pitcher later. Tinney signed at a 400k discount. So I’m sure he was high on the board, the stats which I’ll get into later were ridiculous. The Twins have also gotten sniped on catching in past drafts - Bodine and Taitn Gray last year. So getting an elite talent at a discount was likely the best option with the draft strategy they wanted to deploy. To me although it wasn’t set in stone this was a path they were going to take 90% of the time. Tinney if he can be average as a defensive catcher, will be an offensive force. If he can have power even with the possibility of a lower batting average that is an incredibly valuable asset. Go look at the stats though in the last 2 years other than a higher strikeout rate what is the difference between him and Cholowsky? Tinney played this last year in the better conference and had better stats. You compare against Jeffers and Tinney is a much more polished and powerful hitter than Jeffers was in college. Granted Jeffers was considered a massive reach. Tinney is viewed as a slight reach. Yes there is some concerns on chase, but then the question is defense. Similar to Culpepper or let’s say Billy Amick and of course Jeffers. Tinney like them had much better defensive ratings in his last year. With the potential for continued improvement. Tinney has a rocket of an arm so it’s going to be working on pitch framing, blocking, calling games and pop up times. The biggest thing is Tunney’s drive to get better and that he wants to stay at catcher. Both Tinney and and Lapour seem to have an intensity and drive to compete and get better. So there is a possibility he has to switch to 1st, but in my opinion his rankings were valued as a 1st baseman. So if the defense at catcher improves he is an excellent catcher to tandem with Lackey if it were to work out. It’s also insurance if Lackey doesn’t pan out. All in all I really really like the pick.

I do find it humorous this article came out a few hours after Seth’s article stating the Twins were offered 2 prospects for Ryan last year who have both done well with the implication we should have done the trade. But this is Twinsdaily the land of differing opinions. As a fan I can both root for short term and long term success. Do I want short term satisfaction or something that can be a long term joy. As to Jeffers specifically with a high possibility of a Qualifying offer compensation pick the Twins could still capitalize on keeping a player through the end of the season.

The offer as I understood it was 1 or the other not both. Even if it was even today I’m not sure I take it. We needed Ryan this year especially with Pablo going down. There is value in leading these kids the right way. I’ve always been ready to do the full tear dow, but the time to trade was this offseason and Tom said no.

The CBA uncertainty is why the big prospects are still down.

It’s crazy to think in building a bullpen all we spent was $2 million on Rogers, a net 250k of international money, some cash in trades, traded Sprock, Whitaker and Kisting.

Witchita hits has gone on a roll since he was called up. Defense and Offensively he seems to have changed the direction of that team

Amazing what having som solid arms in the bullpen can do.

You can have your opinions. Your timing is the issue. Alas me and you will never see eye to eye. I think it’s time.

Roden, the player you think should be relegated to 4th outfielder and not given opportunities will be largely responsible for 3 wins since coming back up. I’m not sure what Roden can or will be but I wouldn’t continue bringing up the 4th outfield stuff after he just got a big hit.

Put it on his K sandwich and ate it whole.

Now 2- 1 to go.

I personally think he doesn’t have a position. Roden can actually play outfield defense.

Best just to remain quiet. I would prefer Keaschall to continue to work at 2nd.

Why did Toronto give up on Nance, everything I have seen has been solid.

Definitely still a team in transition. The young pitchers we have definitely have some talent. Bradley is ready to fill Ryan’s role - Rojas needs just a little more control. Abel has talent similar to Rojas. Priellip and Matthew’s. Depending how a Lopez comes back he is one I would definitely consider giving an extension. Relievers- Morris, Gomez maybe Sands As to hitters- Keaschall, maybe Roden as starter bench role, Lee as a bench role.

Lee bases loaded and 2 on opportunities both ended in double plays.

His control is so much better. A few pitches trying to get swings are too far out the zone but beyond that. At around 60 pitches is he done or will they let him go to 80? I bet he gets the next rotation start. You have to keep giving this ability opportunity.

Rojas looking like he wants to take a starter spot.

Turning towards August, this is when he tends to wear out. The last 2 years I’ve said I would gibe him 2-3 weeks off around all stars then get him going. Also I’m not one to be racist but our reliever that we picked up and sent to AAA and got caught with an illegal substance in his glove has lived up to his name. I would be fine with the team letting him GO.

Right now I see the competitive window as 28-32. Who’s driving - That’s a great question. My best guess is the Pohlads sell shortly after the CBA. They will be selling hope in prospects with a massive budget available to fill in the roster. So most likely new owners, GM and 50/50 on a new coach. As to players we have a bit more of a picture. Buxton will begin to fade. The stars we hope is from the group of Jenkins, Culpepper, Lackey and Houston and Rodriguez. Get a legit center fielder and you have the most difficult positions to cover. We have some other hitters that don’t have a great defensive spot with Mendez and Gonzalez. Pitching wise, for the short term Bradley looks like a legit top of the rotation arm. We have some good young arms adjusting to MLB, Abel and Festa is injured. Maybe we are able to sign Pablo to another extension. We have some high ceiling arms in the minors but haven’t seen a lot of flashes, it’s a start- trade deadline and next years draft may add a few more pieces. We will obviously have injuries and underperformance but this looks very similar to the 2001 reset. They need to finish it though.