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  1. I appreciate your optimism. The “let’s see how things go until the summer”might be the actual plan. But there is no chance in Hades the Nephew is coughing up a payroll of $130MM. Zero chance. $70MM would be a better target. Nah, with that expected approximate payroll the smart move is to sell at peak price (which includes peak cost savings). So selling sooner rather than later should get the best return and save the most salary. My wish for Buck is that he does exactly what he wants and what is best for him and his family. He earned our respect and that no trade clause - neither were free.
  2. If this truly is what Falvey believes and will pursue (i.e. building around Buxton, Ryan, and Lopez), he’s a bigger idiot than most of us believe (if that’s even possible). So, the new strategy is a halfway rebuild in which we lose 90+ games and get nothing for our biggest assets, all of whom arguably are at their all-time (including the future) peak trade values and won’t be re-signed, before baseball shuts down for a good part or more of ‘27? That would be the definition of pure GM lunacy. C’mon, these quotes have to be lip service. There’s no chance that the ‘25 trade deadline massacre happened so that we’d squander the chances to build the best new core coming out of the new CBA. Even Falvey and the Nephew aren’t that stupid. Oh, and by the way, there is another reason we know that these quotes are 100% lip service: they hired Shelton. That’s not the guy you hire to build a nearish term winner (come to think of it, he’s probably not the guy you’d hire under any circumstance)
  3. Sorry, but disagree with ERod. Lotta hat, maybe not so much cattle with him. I have the under on him ever becoming a regular on any MLB team, most certainly including the Twins. Hope I’m proven wrong, but the world goes round on different points of view and that’s mine at this point.
  4. Great point. There is a lot of talk on the TD about the inability of the Twins under Rocco to transition proven minor league talent into average or better every day major leaguers. The absolvers claim that it’s not on the coaches to develop players, Once these players get to the majors, they are essentially a finished product from a skills standpoint and there is very little the coaches can do about it. Now that clearly is not 100% true. But what certainly is accurate about this argument is that these players certainly have the physical capabilities when they are promoted. But success as a major leaguer requires much more than that. It also requires development of a mental maturity and approach that can allow those physical traits to consistently flourish. Take golfers for example. There are literally thousands of golfers who have the physical abilities to be successful on the pro tours. But success comes down to what is between their ears. Why do you suppose virtually all the most successful pros have specific mind coaches on their staffs in addition to swing coaches? Good coaches are those who can build the mental strength and confidence of their young players, as well as tweak the nuances of the physical aspects of the game. Perhaps this aspect of player development is the bigger part of what has been missing from the Twins under the Rocco regime.
  5. Love Buck, absolutely love him. The injuries kept him from attaining numerical greatness, but he’s still a warrior and an all-time Twin. Alas, between Tony O and Buck, the Twins might have had two of the greatest outfielders ever with careers dramatically cut short due to injuries. I hope Buck finishes his career with health on the terms that provide him the greatest happiness.
  6. It’s not Miranda per se; it’s essentially every position player brought up under Rocco. There is always an explanation (i.e. excuse) for every individual player. We could go through all the names and come up with a reason to absolve Rocco et al for each and every one of them. Yada, yada, yada. But there are a lot of them and, at some point, some sort of institutional deficiencies must be hypothesized.
  7. No thanks. We are already long athletic infield prospects multiple years away from the majors as well “middle age” big league unproven fourth (at best) or fifth starter types. Besides, if the ping pong balls fall the right way, we will drafting another shortstop better than the two highlighted.
  8. I’d be interested in a poll of TDers to see where the “grades” of the broader Twins’ community fall. I’d wager that Cody’s B- would be the highest and not by a close margin. Of course, we’d have to exclude the Nephew’s and Falvey’s votes. We could keep Shelton’s though - even he thinks he’s a D hire at best.
  9. A question to those who want to keep Ryan and Lopez: is there any realistic chance they will re-sign with the Twins for their next contract? Also, is it worth keeping them if it’s likely they will really only play one additional year with the Twins (given the high likelihood of an extended lockout in ‘27)? The answers should be no and no, especially if there are no plans to reinvest in meaningful free agent talent for ‘26. Yeah, it’s sad. But the right move is to trade them at peak value. And if we are talking about peak value, then Buxton should be included (i.e. asked if he wants to go to a contender). Jeffers should probably stay until the trade deadline.
  10. Another talented young player to keep an eye on for the Twins post CBA, new owners renaissance beginning in 2028. BTW, even in a home run mentality league/team, it’s incredibly valuable to have a player who can pinch run to steal a base AND play superior defense the next inning. That’s literally gold for any team.
  11. Well, we disagree on the major league development responsibilities of the manager and his staff - particularly for small/mid-market teams like the Twins that cannot rely on proven big leaguers acquired via free agency. But that’s ok. I really respect your comments and the terrific work you do for us TDers. Have a great Halloween!
  12. Thanks Nick for pointing out what a horrible decision it actually was to hire Shelton. You make the case most convincingly even if that were not your intention. This man has absolutely no record of meaningful success as a big league manager in any area of critical importance to the Twins organization (and familiarity with Falvey is 100% not one of those areas - in fact it’s a detriment). His job is not to “spin straw into gold”. His job is take some subset of projectable, successful minor leaguers and turn them into above average major leaguers. Rocco couldn’t do it with one out of the many position players who were handed off to him and his staff. Has Shelton? Nick, if you want to make the case for Shelton, why don’t you do a deep dive on what he accomplished developing his position players instead of banking on him barely beating incredibly low Vegas win projections. This is the type of analysis/information many TDers would find helpful if your goal is to try to get us to rally around this hire.
  13. I’m not too familiar with the Pirates. Could someone please point out the position players Shelton and his staff developed into above average major leaguers during his time there? Since this is the biggest need within the Twins organization at the moment, there must be a robust record of his successes.
  14. The bottom line is if the Twins, as a small/mid-market team with an ownership not able/willing to spend in a non-salary cap universe, are not better at turning their successful minor leaguers into legitimate major leaguers than essentially every other team in the majors, we have no chance to compete for a championship. Said another way, our only way to achieve any sense of a sustainable competitive advantage in the current MLB ecosystem is to have the systems and processes in place to transition our minor league talent into everyday above average major league ballplayers. And under Rocco, we stunk at that. Success or failure in this area will end up being the key measuring stick by which Shelton (through his actions and those of his staff that he will assemble) will be judged. And not rightly or wrongly - it’s his singularly most important responsibility I hope he figures it out.
  15. Hey, it just occurred to me that we all might be looking at this the wrong way. Maybe Shelton was the only one who would actually take the job. Sure beats working at Dick’s Sporting Goods at the local mall. At least I think it does. Might be close. Honestly, I’m at such a loss. A chance for a reset by hiring a proven winner and developer of talent. And this is what Falvey and the Nephew come up with. On paper the hire looks like it’s destined for a quick failure. We shall see. Good luck. Prove us wrong. But I’d bet the Twins’ odds in Vegas to win the World Series just got even longer - if that’s even possible.
  16. Yep, that’s exactly why all our top prospects excel in the minors and then fizzle out when they get to the majors. It’s literally the biggest problem in our organization. Someone needs to take responsibility for the transition and I will not join you apologists in absolving the major league manager and his staff for repeated failures in this regard.
  17. I’m wondering what some of our younger players think about essentially hiring Rocco 2.0. No discernible record for developing major leaguers. I’m fact, maybe the opposite given his complete lack of success in Pittsburgh. Their agents must be getting geared up to get them moved….
  18. “Rebuild” may be what people perceive as the correct moniker for the Twins’ strategy over the next several years. But in reality that term is being misapplied to the Twins as it is fact not the true crux of the actual strategy the team should be pursuing. Until a true salary cap model is in place, the only strategy that any small to mid market team without a “sugar daddy” owner can employ to successfully compete year in and year out is to: a) draft/acquire, develop, and prudently extend their own cheap homegrown talent; b) trade that talent if necessary when about to lose it to free agency and/or it’s a peak value; and c) thoughtfully (i.e. don’t break the bank on contract dollars or length) augment the talent with one or two key free agents as needed. The ability to successfully apply this model is highly dependent on the coaching staff/player development capabilities. That is where the ability to build some level of meaningful competitive advantage begins and ends. And failure in this area has been the most critical reason for the lack of success in the Rocco/Falvey era. So the trading of Ryan, Lopez, as well as possibly Buxton and Jeffers, should not necessarily be looked at as “rebuilding”, but, instead, what smart smallish market teams do when it’s obvious their “star” players either will not resign (for whatever reason) or have dwindling future value. Any small market team that is proficient in these areas should expect to not only put a competitive, entertaining product on the field annually, but also compete for playoff berths more often than not and have legitimate World Series aspirations from time to time.
  19. 2028 Twins infield: 3B: Chowolsky (when we win the lottery). SS: Marek 2B: Culpepper 1B: Keaschall Lewis at DH and Utility (3B, 1B) Lee at Utility (3B, SS, 2B) and switchhitting pinch hitter. Winokur maybe as well; might be in the outfield too.
  20. I’m 100% in your camp. And the best thing that could happen to Lee, Julien, Wallner, Lewis, et al is a change in the coaching staff (starting with Rocco) and the approach to developing our talented prospects. Having said that, Arraez and Buxton both were originally drafted/signed by the Twins post Hunter (in addition to Mauer and Morneau) and rose through the system to become pretty darn good players (and All Stars). Falvey/Rocco get only partial credit for those two. But, otherwise, Jeffers is the closest one can come to finding another position player.
  21. 1. Twins young catching depth is probably 6-18 months away. 2. Via arbitration, Jeffers can be resigned relatively cheaply for one more season. Then he is a FA. 3. Jeffers is unlikely going to be a good fit with the Twins post the ‘27 lockout. The exception is if he stays around in the Vasquez type role. Conclusion: The Twins offer Jeffers arbitration and resign him for one season. Someone needs to catch. Then, if the younger pups are getting playable, he gets moved at the deadline.
  22. With all due respect, if we draft Cholowsky, we will have three first rounders ahead of Winokur in the post lockout SS pecking order. All three CURRENTLY project to be better overall prospects. Of course things could change - nothing is certain. Players flame out, some excel, some get traded, some get hurt. So, as you rightly point out, Winokur could very well end up in that role for the Twins - but he is going to have to beat out three better prospects one way or another. One thing is certain, however - we have several years before any of us have to really worry about. Winokur does seem like a high upside prospect and we should all look forward to watching (and cheering for) his development.
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