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I agree for the most part. Lots of good pro and cons articles. However, one thing in particular - there is very little in the way of critiques of our manager as a whole. From our utter (and embarrassing) collapse last season to our complete failure to turn legit prospects into regular major leaguers, basically nothing gets laid at the feet of Rocco on the DN. Why that is, who knows The TD is fun, generally positive and rah rah, most of the articles are interesting and insightful, and the banter among the critically thinking capable commenters (who comprise our vast majority) generally keeps things real. And all that is how it should be.
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It’s hard to keep up with the TD. One minute, player X is our future mainstay, the next he no longer has a future as a dependable Twin. Player Y should be in St. Paul one minute and the next he will save our season. Player Z is now one of our cores, but yet in reality he can only be counted upon to play five innings because he’s really a platoon player (in Rocco’s eyes). Sheesh, I’m getting whiplash. (And, btw, there are multiple Twins who fit each category, lol). Yes, the potential for Lewis IS there. He’s a great kid too. But let’s face it, at this point he is a well below average fielder as a third baseman and his bat, albeit occasionally remarkable in spurts, is inconsistent at best over a longer period. He’d probably be SO much better with 500 more ABs and 160 more innings under his belt. Sadly, though, his injuries compound this somewhat bleak assessment. Get him healthy, give him as many innings and ABs as possible and see where it takes him. I still believe in him. He can still be a mainstay (and fan favorite).
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This article is exactly what bedevils this organization. Is Lee our 3BOTF? Last week it was 2B. The week before SS. Same with Lewis. Is his home 3B, 2B or 1B (SS and CF are now off the table, but they weren’t for a while)? Now insert Julien, Martin, Miranda, etc., etc. The bottom line is these kids show up in the majors and they don’t have a position they can play at an above average level. They just don’t get the reps. And that uncertainty probably adds to pressures at the plate. Their heads must be mush.
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Agree 100%. The issue isn’t so much losing Lewis’s current production (let’s face it, outside his short spectacular stretches he’s been mediocre at best at the plate and he’s a bottom quartile fielding 3B). No, the bigger issue is that he is missing those incredibly valuable reps he needs to continue his development into a true big leaguer. That’s what hurts the most. It’s sad to think where he’d be with 500 more ABs and 162 more games at 3B.
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Falvey deserves credit for building a solid core rotation for good overall $ value. Pitching generally wins, so, for a cash constrained franchise like the Twins, this is part of a solid strategy. Now, if Lopez could just get someone out this spring….
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Everything has winners and losers. In this case, Lewis (poor guy, just heartbreaking) is on the losing side. So are the Twins and their fans. Lee and Miranda are probably winners (sad way to win, but life is life). Not sure about Julien or Rocco. Julien may make the team, but this might reduce his chances of getting traded. Which is really better for him? Rocco once again loses his #1 hope (things were looking really good for Lewis and hopefully still will be) for proving he can actually develop a major league position player, but his built-in excuse for it possibly never happening can be blame it on the injuries, not me. He’s probably covered on Lewis. The whole Lewis thing is so sad. Geez. Just horrible. Hope he’s back soon.
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100% agree. It is highly unlikely that the Pohlads have any sort of liquidity crisis. However, that does not mean they wouldn't like to rid themselves of a cash eating business. The decision to sell is much more likely that they are seeking to rotate out of a negative cash flow asset with limited/slowing equity value appreciation upside into other assets, including commercial real estate, that can provide better overall returns.
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Yes, someone gets it. Thank you. The longer it takes for the Pohlads to sell, the longer Falvey/Rocco are at the helm. And the longer this small/mid-market franchise is unable to successfully develop or capitalize on transitioning high upside home grown position player talent into successful major leaguers, and the longer the team will struggle to develop any sort of a competetive advantage. If you can’t take the likes of Kiriloff, Larnach, Miranda, Lee, Lewis, Wallner, Martin, Julien, Speer, Rooker and others and turn at least one or more into a true full time major league Minnesota Twin (or get the equivalent of one in return in a trade), a franchise like the Twins has really no chance (and a super rich, egomaniac owner who spends wildly will not materialise to bail us all out). This is the real implication of a failed/delayed sales process.
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It would do him a heck of a lot of good. Just do him a solid and trade him to an organization that truly wants to see him succeed. He’s just going to continue to rot here.
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Trade them both - give them a chance to fully develop as major leaguers. Besides, Falvey should maximize their trade value before Rocco screws them up further.
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Just saw the announcement on Cole. My immediate thought was Lopez to the Yanks. Haha.
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Meanwhile, the least encouraging trend is that Pablo can’t get anyone out.
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Gasper, Bader and France all having strong springs. Meanwhile, the agents for Lee, Miranda, Julien, and Martin have Falvey on speed dial begging to be traded.
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Bullpen depth evaporating quickly.
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Usually I love to read lists like this. But with this organisation, I’m finding it less worthwhile to invest in the hype. It looks like the pendulum has shifted toward pitching. That’s probably a positive because a) good pitching beats good hitting and b) it’s probably easier, at least for the Twins, to transition from the minors to the majors as a pitcher than a position player. Or said another way, it’s harder for Rocco to screw up a pitching prospect. I’m just waiting for the article about when one of our position player prospects, or, for that matter, any one we even trade a prospect for, makes an all star team (congrats to Rooker, btw). Heck, even one who just becomes an average everyday starter playing 150 games, isn’t platooned, or signs a decent second contract would be good enough. Has anyone brought up under Rocco ever achieved that? Jeffers would be the closest. Until then, at least with Rocco at the helm, I’ll save investing my emotional and time sports team capital for other things besides the constant hyping of the likes of Jenkins, ERod, and Keaschall. I’ve wasted enough of that capital only to watch our supposed “young core” wither after they most deservedly get promoted to the show. I guess Falvey’s hope is that I invest that capital each year in his one year veteran reclamation projects who steal innings and ABs from all those prospects who have been hyped, and really rightfully so when we all think about it. What’s the saying? “Fool me a dozen times shame on you. Fool me any more, shame on me.”
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Is it too late to sign some washed up vet to a minimum deal to take the reps in the field and at the plate from our prospects? Clearly none of the usual suspects are worth investing in and/or seeing if they are actually suitable for the job. That seems to be the modus operandi around here. Btw, as an aside, how’s that Wallner leading off experiment going? lol. I’d bet Wallner’s mentality has always been about driving in runs and/or hitting a long ball. Now he’s being pressured into thinking like an on-base guy. Messing with his head. Rocco will ruin him yet.
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Thank you. Someone points out the obvious. We've outspent every team in our division over the past many recent years but have arguably only outperformed one (the ChiSox). Why is that? Isn’t spending supposed to be correlated with winning? Nearly every TDer makes this claim. It gets worse too: we not only have outspent our division competitors on major leaguers, but we also arguably have the best minor league system as well. Yet, again, we underperform. Why? The answer is as obvious as the noses on our faces. The Indians, Royals and even the Tigers are better “managed” at the major league level. They get more out of less because they transition their young players better, make overall better roster construction decisions (i.e. free agent spend, trades, commitment to young players) and are better managed in the dugout on a day to day basis. What else could explain it? What else could explain why those teams spend less, but win more? Imagine if Terry Francona had been our manager for the past decade. My fellow TDers - it’s not the money per se. It’s what you do with it. Keep up your pipe dream of some uber wealthy egotist willing to come in and throw cash into the incinerator year after year. Face it - our market will never, ever, ever be able to sustain that type of model on a consistent basis. Rich people just aren’t that dumb. No, the key to winning is better “management”: 1) capitalising on our advantages in minor league player development through better transitioning top prospects into true major leaguers; 2) better results from outside the system player acquisition efforts (free agency and trades); 3) win a handful more games a year by better managing from the bench; and 4) knowing when to go for it (spend more selectively) when the opportunity is there. That’s the recipe for success for a franchise in a division like ours and a market like ours.
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Wait until the season starts. He will lead off a few games, then show up at the park to find out he’s hitting seventh. Then he will jump around the order a lot never knowing when he’s going to hit and never finding a groove. Though it may not matter as much when the opposing manager sends him to bench in the fifth or six inning by bringing in a lefty. The purpose of this article may in fact be to demonstrate how poorly the Twins position player roster is constructed. Wallner is your best lead-off candidate? Followed by a guy who most TDers don’t even think should be on the team. Then the next guy up Falvey and Rocco brought in a struggling vet to take his innings. Fourth is the quintessential utility man. It’s pitching or bust this year.
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Yep, and I can’t wait to turn on the TV everyday to watch France and Bader. I’m so invested in them as a fan. Just like I was with Gallo, Margot, et al. So exciting. So much fun.
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Jeffers came up under Rocco. He’s been a position player success for sure. I’ll give that one to this regime (even though it’s not like Rocco had much choice on which position he’d play so it was hard to ruin his defense and/or confuse him). Lewis has been a disappointment even with the injury excuse. The fact is that he is a below average 3B and still hasn’t found his true position. The CF decision by Rocco was a disaster for more than just the obvious reason. But, yes, he’s the closest. But has his potential to date been attained? Will it ever? I love Wallner. Love to watch him hit and throw. But, yes, he still seems destined to be platooned and not get those ABs (and especially high leverage ABs) against lefties.
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