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  1. and Julien and Jeffers, pretty impressive list for 7 years.
  2. Was replying to thread of that is why you trade prospects and his response. He seemed worried the Twins have traded a lot of prospects away that did well in exchange,(which I am not sure is really all that true, because up until like a year ago the Twins weren't much into trading prospects) And I was just pointing out for every prospect you trade that turns out decent there are dozens rated just as high or higher that don't.
  3. Can't agree with this. The Twins could have traded away Jay, Romero, Gonzo, Stewart, Gordon and a ton of others and got somebody back and didn't, so for every prospects that was traded and turned out well, there are dozens of more that didn't get traded ended up not amounting to anything.
  4. Maybe we should let Ted Schwerzler in on the secret, and he wouldn't have had to waste time writing the article. 😀 I can agree with you on that. So the trade shouldn't be considered a win/loss, it should be considered good/bad, because if you have an asset and you blow the return it should be considered bad. As of right now they have two great assets in Berrios and Pressly and as of now blew them, but they had a decent asset in Escobar and got value, thus a good trade.
  5. Not so sure a 25 year old minor league player that requires a 40 man spot is going to return what we hope he does. But it does seem like an overpay for a relief pitcher unless that relief pitcher is cost friendly with some control able years.
  6. Going on this logic, it is almost impossible to lose a trade, when trading a free agent to be, even if you basically get nothing you can't lose because a 1/2 year or even 1 1/2 of the traded player will never look bad. (maybe that is true) IMO you have to take into consideration as part of the trade review if the team signs the player to an extension.
  7. Can't agree with this at all, unless of course you saying Wallner could be traded for a relief pitcher?
  8. What you are suggesting is this FO is so bad that it would pick up a 10 million contract for a with a 98, 91, 98 OPS+ the last three years? But you might be right since they signed Gallo for 11 million (87, 121, 80)
  9. as of 7/5/23, the Twins have lost the trade, Martin is getting old real fast and SWR is regressing. Toronto has gotten 343 innings, he hasn't been great but this year has been good. At the Time the trade looked crazy good and still has some time to look good, but I think most of that rests on the Shoulder of SWR, Martin turning into the Gordon/Castro role isn't enough.
  10. In 1962 Harmon had 666 at bats, Gallo has 222 and has K'd 89 times(89*3 =267) Lets not compare Joey Gallo to the guy that took 3 in the MVP voting. Also Gallo hasn't gotten hot for a week. the most hits he has had over a 7 day period is 6, He has twice hit 4 homers in a 7 day period.
  11. .191/.312/.484/.796 - 13 million .268/.370/.379/.748 - 2 million Not sure the first one is really all that successful.
  12. Well Rooker in May .198/.289/.327/.616 and June .191/.267/.353/.620 So I am thinking he would have fit in nice. Rooker being an all star is a Joke.
  13. Pablo Lopez just seen tonight lineup and said Kepler and Gallo both starting, f'n awsome!
  14. didn't you? I am confused Your quotes - "I have no idea how you can blame this FO for....." "they turned Arraez into Lopez and two minor league players. " "Also, we should maybe give them some credit for developing Arraez." They can't be blamed for a certain group, they get credit for trading an All Star and some credit for helping a player they inherited becoming an star. I understand you are done with this FO the same as me, I just don't get the rationale of who the front office gets to take credit for and who they don't.
  15. I stand behind my final statement. "IMO I think this puts Raya behind Berrios at least in his development, which isn't the end of the world. "
  16. Kepler has gotten worse, Polanco has been an All Star, Sano has been an all star, Polanco has been an all star, Garver won a SS, Not really blaming them for what happened with them, but I know none have really gotten better and they haven't been able to replace them. I will 100% give them credit for Arraez, as long as we also credit them for Gordon, Javier, Blankenorn, Diaz and all the other prospects that were generally ranked around where he was that failed or they missed had talent and went away. It just tough to give them credit for the guys they inherited that did well but a pass on guys they inherited that didn't do well, right?
  17. I think the real difference between the two is Berrios was given a real chance to pitch at age 20 Berrios was A+ and AA pitching 140 innings, Raya is in A+ and currently has 31 innings after only pitching 65 last year. Berrios pitched 103 as 19 year old. IMO I think this puts Raya behind Berrios at least in his development, which isn't the end of the world.
  18. Wait what, no way. j/k Jeffers would be considered a success I think, he debuted at age 23 and basically has been up since. The 40 man is so barren of guys they have drafted or acquired as minor league players. Jeffers, Julien, Lewis, Celestino, Larnach and Wallner, That is it! 7 years and that is it, When this FO arrived it was given and outfield of Rosario, Buxton, Kepler, and infield of Polanco, Sano, and Arreaz and Garver at catcher and they turned those into a hot pile of .......
  19. Ok, so we aren't talking about Contreras, Lamarre and Stevenson, but I wasn't the one (and neither were you) that said Kepler and Larnach or Wallner could have gotten Lopez.
  20. There were so many moves between Berrios and Arreaz that it doesn't make sense to even talk about that. Gray, Paddock, Mahle, and on and on.
  21. I don't disagree with really anything you said, but none of that has really has much to do with what the Marlins wanted, unless you are saying it was the Twins that pushed to trade LA and not that Miami was requiring him. IMO it was the Marlins that wanted him and the Twins saying the only way we do it is give us Salas. And if the Twins FO was pushing AL over unproven mid 20's prospect, well more reason to fire them. Because if I ran the Marlins and the Twins said to me you can have any 3 of the following 4 Larnach, Kepler, Wallner or Julien for Lopez, I would laugh at the Twins and say I am not taking your garbage for a young solid starting pitcher. Why would I (being the Marlin FO) want to clog my 40 man with these guys, I mean I would have some interest in Julien, but he would have to be added to ERod or Lee, something not on the 40 right now and to be honest the Marlins are the ones that added a top 100 prospect to get Arreaz.
  22. If Julien and Wallner were doing what the have been doing and currently doing and were age 21 and22 or even 22 and 23 that and another minor league player would probably have gotten the deal done. The odds are not in Wallner's favor of being a future all star, they are a bit better for Julien, compare that to Arraez and it is a no brainer why Wallner, Larnach and Julie still wear Twins uniforms and Arraez does not.
  23. No chance that Kepler and one of those others would have gotten Lopez. Age current accomplishments prior to this year Wallner 25 years old and 200 days - 133 major league at bats 44 strike outs. Larnach 26 years old 124 days - 420 major league at bats sub .700 OPS and injured multiple times. Julien 24 years old 61 days - AA player Arraez 26 years old 82 days (All Star, 13th in MVP voting, Batting Champ, Silver Slugger) and 4 years of proven major league at bats. There is a reason they wanted Arraez and not those other 3, because he good and proven and the others are older and haven proven anything. Pablo Lopez is 27 years old 115 days that is 90 older than Ryan and younger than Ober, that is 1 year and 9 month older than Varland. MN Twins fans can go on believing prospects age doesn't matter and Covid year this and that, But it does and teams aren't going to trade a young guy for unproven guys basically there same age. Did the Twins trade Berrios for mid 20's unproven players? Nope, they traded for 22 year old Martin and a 20 year old SWR.
  24. Not sure it is nitpicking, in his last 125 at bats he has 6 doubles, 1 homer, 15 walks, 39 K's hitting .240 with a OBP of .321 His first 22 at bats were amazing, .409/.536/.773, 9/22, 2 doubles, 2 homers, 6 walks, 5 strikeouts Then he went 1/7 and it was downhill from there, his power dropped, his walks dropped his K's went up. Like I said I want him to be good, really good and I hope he turns it around. But he hasn't been good in a month and a half.
  25. Going to have to disagree with this take, just about everything AK did was in May, June was terrible. May 22/70 - 3 homers, 14 walks - , .314/.448/.486 June 17/77 - 1 homer 6, walks - .221/.286/.325 I like AK and hope he can turn it around, but he was a contributor to this terrible June baseball the Twins played, not the exception. Miranda got send down for very similar numbers in April 26/104 - 3 homers, 7 walks, .250/.304/.365 Larnach was worse when he got sent down, but not a whole lot worse.
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