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Everything posted by TheLeviathan
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I just want to commend you for a highly interesting post that probably took you some time to put together!
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These are the kind of arguments necessary when you're trying to make a case that just doesn't make any sense. Byron Buxton, if he were a free agent in two months, would not get a $100M contract. No GM, anywhere in the league, is going to sign on for that. None. Could he get a 1 year 20M deal? Sure. Maybe even 2/40. Someone might bet on the potential but they'd hedge the years or make it incredibly incentive driven. In the age of analytics he would be lucky to get half of a 5/100M contract straight up. Berrios, on the other hand, is not only certain he could get 5/100 but it's likely low for what he'd get on the open market. This conversation is really that simple. If you're convincing yourself Buxton is worth 5/100 but not Berrios, you're going to have to engage in some pretzel logic to get there.
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This. Any other take is like buying a mansion because you're convinced that next lottery ticket is "the one" It's fundamental asset mismanagement of the worst kind: ignoring the obvious on fool's hope.
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It came up because it seemed odd as a sarcastic dig at a post that agrees with you. I think the problem came when you bristled at a completely innocuous post, not with your overall point. You found (or implied at the very least) disagreement where there really was none. I think we all share lament that the young man can't play and there isn't much he can do about it.
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Durability is a natural athletic ability and the extent to which it can be improved is limited. Nelson Cruz, Max Kepler, and pretty much every other human on the planet has no chance of improving their speed to the degree that Buxton possesses. Minor improvements? Sure. But they can't transform into something they're not. Likewise, there is nothing Buxton can do about his natural durability and resistance to injury. It's simply not a gift he was blessed with. It's not a "skill" like hitting or throwing a curveball, it's more like how fast you run or how tall you grew. At this point I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. I'll leave it at this: The original poster just lamented that for all of Buck's talents, he wasn't blessed with the ability to stay on the field and there's nothing he can do about that. And it sucks for all of us, but especially his career. Whatever "weird" road you took us down from there is due to your interpretations of that rather simple, and IMO undeniable, observation.
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You quoted something but then interpreted it in a really strange way.....Let's try a simple analogy by using the same phrase you think is so dastardly and then subbing a few words: If I say "Kepler doesn't have the same ability to run the bases as Buxton"....have I somehow created an "onus for Kepler to cultivate that"? I would think not. It's just an acknowledgement of natural ability and natural abilities vary from player to player. Can Kepler work around the edges of his speed or baserunning to make modest improvements? Sure. I feel like Buxton did that by adding some muscle in fact. But at the end of the day, just like speed and power, durability is something I'm not sure you can fix. And some players, again just like speed and power, either have it or they don't. You seem to acknowledge what the poster said, but then twisted it for some reason I can't understand. Nowhere in that post does it blame Buxton for anything, that's something you read into it. (Unfairly, IMO, given how easily your example can be exposed by analogy) Yes, it's not in his control, but there is no reason not to acknowledge it either. The guy has been a pro for almost a decade now and this is what it is. His body just doesn't allow all that talent to stay on the field. It sucks. I feel bad for him most of all.
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I think Byron Buxton is actively losing money not being on the field. This argument doesn't wash because, especially in baseball and now more than ever, teams are hesitant to dole out money to players they can't count on in the field. I think this post implies Buxton isn't "tough" which is different than acknowledging he isn't "durable" or "available". Make no mistake, every IL stint he has potentially costs him MILLIONS.
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No and that's a fallacious argument. The poster you responded to clearly said that injuries have a large component of luck to them. I will make no argument that Buxton's hand injury was some really terrible luck. But the point of that post was to put this unlucky break in the context of what seems like an endless array of "unlucky" breaks. At some point constantly falling victim to injuries of all sorts stops being a pattern we can deny based on luck and one we simply have to recognize isn't going away. Not all athletes can match their amazing skillset with durability. It sucks, he's a great person and a great player, but at some point we have to come to terms with the reality of his ability to stay on a baseball field.
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It’s Time to Pay Jose Berrios
TheLeviathan replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Yup and I'm willing to pay more, but it's a reasonable starting point that won't offend him and gets us on the path to keep him around.- 121 replies
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It’s Time to Pay Jose Berrios
TheLeviathan replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I'd offer him 5 and 105M. I think it might work.- 121 replies
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Trading Berrios will be the much harder pill for me to swallow. We've had so few quality pitchers developed here and I just love the kids approach. Buxton, no matter how stirry a straw he is for the drink, is basically a part-time player. You can't give part-time position players mega-deals. His body isn't going to get more resilient and his best asset is going to start declining sooner than you think. Couple that with the burned bridges we know about and let's hope he can flash for the contenders. Moving on from his is in the best interest of this team and for the mental well being of the fans.
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I came to the comments to make this joke. Hat tip good sir.
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Week in Review: Out of Their Depth
TheLeviathan replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I've defended Sano for awhile, but this team's best future is probably not going to include him. Not at 1B or DH and that's all I think he can play. They need to decide what Gordon's best future position is and play him there every day. Every day, I don't care who has to sit.- 64 replies
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Week in Review: Out of Their Depth
TheLeviathan replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
If Buxton is healthy: trade him. This team burned the extension bridge with him and, even if they didn't, I want no part of it. If he could play 120 games I'd give him the farm, but he can't. Get what you can and start making sure Gordon or Lewis or someone else is the CFer of the future for this team. Disclaimer: I do not love this conclusion, it's just the only reasonable one left.- 64 replies
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Games of all Kinds (Video, Board, Mobile, Card, etc.)
TheLeviathan replied to Vanimal46's topic in The Sports Bar
Yeah, I don't think you're being unreasonable or anything. There was a time it mattered to me as well. Hell, we have a 64 and a Wii that our kids still play despite the Switch. I just wonder how many people actually use that capability and make their purchasing decisions off of it. At the end of the day, my $500 bucks is to play the next game, not a pixelated one from ten years ago. It seems like Sony bet on that when they were deciding what hardware/software/features to focus on. By a quick glance at sales and demand, it may be they have the right read on the overall gaming market, even if that feels like a thumb in the eye to you. (And I say that as a person who does actively maintain four older systems, so sentimentally I can relate) -
Games of all Kinds (Video, Board, Mobile, Card, etc.)
TheLeviathan replied to Vanimal46's topic in The Sports Bar
That's fair...I guess my question is how much time do you want to spend on games that old with a new system? I've never quite understood why developers should spend resources appeasing legacy support vs just saying "keep your old systems"? Not knocking the appeal of nostalgia games, just always wondered how much people actually use that feature. -
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TheLeviathan replied to Vanimal46's topic in The Sports Bar
A lot of the best games of the older generations are getting resmastered versions anyway so I'm not sure it's going to hurt too much. Gamepass is really the only selling point for X-box IMO. Playstation continues to deliver the best gaming experiences, best new titles, and the most reliable hardware. It was an easy choice for me. -
TROLPO ate him.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/03/sports/baseball/mlb-injuries-soft-tissue.html https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jun/09/baseball-injuries-mlb-rise-reasons-covid Lots of articles out there confirming a large spike in baseball injuries. These are just two of a trove that arent hard to find. Nothing to do with the Twins sucking, just one more sweet ingredient to MLB's rapid decline into irrelevancy.
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I don't believe you're reading that right. The 2021 data is for 40% of the season and the other seasons are for the entire year. At least that's how I'm reading it. Is that right @Tom Froemming? If so, not only are injuries up, but they are up at a ridiculously high rate both for the Twins and the league as a whole. (Which jives with other articles I've read)
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Games of all Kinds (Video, Board, Mobile, Card, etc.)
TheLeviathan replied to Vanimal46's topic in The Sports Bar
I just play franchise mode mostly in Madden and The Show. I play while I use the treadmill and that's usually all my gaming time so I dont get caught up in all that. PS5 is a beautiful machine to use...I can't wait for that hardware to get put to full use. Should've mentioned I still run a baseball mogul online sim league that has been going since 2010. -
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TheLeviathan replied to Vanimal46's topic in The Sports Bar
I got the PS5 so I'm reliving my favorite series of all time with Mass Effect Legendary. We got the game "Strike" for our kids and really enjoy it as a family game. Ditto "Can't Catch Harry" which is a version of Spoons. I wish we had more time for adult gaming, but we don't get to that a lot.

