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Twins Giving Pagan a Leash to Hang Their Season
LastOnePicked replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Colome, Pagan and soon Lopez. Sooner or later, we need to realize that the common denominator is probably the MN Twins. I don't know what the issue is, but when a Twins pitcher gets the "yips," they never recover here. Coaching HAS to be a part of this. It's Pagan, yes, but it's bigger than Pagan. This team just cannot hold the line or rise to a challenge, either in late innings or against top teams. I thought that was starting to change in Spring, but I was very wrong. Same garbage, different year. -
I made this exact same decision just before the All-Star Break. I highly recommend it to everyone. I came back to TD today just to check in, commiserate and see how the good folks here are surviving the club's total implosion. It's pretty clear it's going to get worse, folks. Now might be a good time to hop off the ride.
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Incompetence is toxic, absolutely. The hitters have put him and this team in position multiple times, and he's failed over and over again. He may be a nice guy, but results matter a lot more at the pro level, and I'm sure the players are wondering why he's still getting all these chances. That will kill the morale of this team - if it hasn't already.
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Can't even imagine what this is like for Jayce Tingler. He's watching Pagan destroy another season for a totally different team, right before his eyes. Maybe even getting the manager fired again in the process. When some of us said the Rogers trade was a disaster in the making, this is exactly what we meant. And when some of us said that Rocco's inability to adjust when changes are needed - this also is what we meant. Just listen to him make excuses and fawn over Pagan ("his stuff is great, but his execution isn't good" - what the heck IS pitching if not EXECUTION?). This won't change because Rocco won't demand changes. He seems more worried about clubhouse chemistry than being decisive and taking a stand over player nonperformance. Pagan should not be on this squad today, period. But this will be the Colome disaster all over again.
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Personally, I think he's a guy you break the bank for. Yes, the last three years of any contract won't be as productive. So what? By that point he can be mentoring Lewis' return to shortstop. Sign Correa to a 7 year deal. Slide a rehabbing Lewis over to 2nd to take Polanco's place. Consider trading Polanco, Martin, Miller and/or Steer for great pitchers. Keep Palacios as a low-cost solid backup. I think having Correa here through the 2020s drastically increases the chances of a World Series title in Minnesota.
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I'm going to drop this after this post because it's getting rather silly, but do you really think they wouldn't hire their superstar pitching guru #1 choice for the job if he wasn't available immediately? That they couldn't have gotten him working with staff in October? Come on, that doesn't hold water either. It's IDEAL for him to join their program now, sure. But if they targeted him this strongly, they certainly would have brought him on later. That's how any employer would work with a top choice for an ongoing program.
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Where has anyone even said "evil"? - C'mon, there's no reason to take this into the realm of the ridiculous. But there is a line of logic here that is ridiculous - that contracts don't matter if one party of the contract is unhappy. I'd be curious to follow fan reactions if Rocco left the Twins in August for a better offer with the Yankees, or if Buxton saw a chance to join the Braves in September to be closer to home. I give you all credit for being worker-supportive, but I still lean towards the importance of relationships, mutual trust and commitments. But I'm getting old fast.
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C'mon, this is a strawman, Mike: 1) Sounds like the Twins offered to match the salary, despite not even being warned in advance that he was looking elsewhere for jobs. 2) If he's that sought after, the job certainly would still be available in the MLB postseason. Perhaps even with a greater salary, if other top schools knew he was available. When you agree to be an MLB pitching coach - and when you make specific recommendations over which pitchers to bring in because you can build a relationship with them and help them redevelop their pitches - I believe you accept an obligation to complete your contract. If you can't, you warn your employer in the offseason of your interest to leave so they can prepare. This didn't happen. So I am not going to cheer for Wes abandoning his relationships and responsibilities here, no. Sorry. Commitments should mean something. But good for him, Everybody knows that more money = more happiness, right?
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I respected what he did here, but I do not respect leaving the team midseason with no warning. This is a high-profile position that requires a full season commitment. That must have been clear, right? The job either meant something here, or it didn't. Apparently, it didn't ... or it didn't mean much. For the players who built a relationship with Wes, this leaves them - and the team - in a tough spot. Might want to clarify expectations of the job for the next pitching coach.
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Around the AL Central (6/24): A Shakeup at the Top
LastOnePicked replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Yes, but what's odd is that I'm both grateful that we're a competitive team and also completely full of rage that we've lost our decent lead in the standings. And right when my doctor says I need to watch my blood pressure. Sheesh!- 10 replies
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Around the AL Central (6/24): A Shakeup at the Top
LastOnePicked replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I feel like this season - plus the offseason - is giving me the worst case of whiplash: There WILL be lost games! --- There WON'T be lost games! The Twins will sign NO ONE! --- The Twins sign CARLOS CORREA! Taylor Rogers is healed and ready to go! --- Taylor Rogers is GONE! We're 4-8 and TERRIBLE! --- We're 11-8 and AWESOME! Our FA starters are HOT! --- Our FA starters are INEFFECTIVE! The pitching pipeline is FLOWING! --- the pitching pipeline is totally CLOGGED! Byron Buxton is healthy --- Byron Buxton has had knee issues since SPRING TRAINING! Our bullpen is GREAT! --- Our bullpen is HORRIFYINGLY BAD! Our guys CAN'T HIT! --- Our guys can MASH! Royce Lewis is an AMAZING STORY! --- Royce Lewis is another Twins rookie TRAGEDY! Am I happy about being tied for first? Yes. Kinda. But I also feel dizzy and need to lie down for awhile. Wake me up when Pagan and Duffey are gone, please.- 10 replies
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Starting to look like this team was more like preseason predictions: Hover around .500, might be in the Wild Card conversation. That Spring surge was a lot of fun, but this team's wings are looking like they've been clipped. If they can't move on from Duffey and Pagan, they've got no chance for a postseason. None.
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4 Veteran Players the Twins Can Trade
LastOnePicked replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
You nailed it. Sadly, I always hoped there was at least one truly great season left in his career, but if there is, it may have to come elsewhere after he's traded to an NL team with DH needs..- 62 replies
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Week in Review: Hits Keep Coming
LastOnePicked replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
That's the flip-side to clubhouse chemistry, isn't it. Sometimes you have to cut someone likable for the good of the team. Chicago won't stay bad forever, and the Guardians are finding their groove. Every bullpen loss at this point is costly. It's okay to keep him around for mop-up for a few weeks, but sooner or later the call will have to be made on his spot with the club. Probably sooner.- 13 replies
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Week in Review: Hits Keep Coming
LastOnePicked replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Lewis setback is just one of those agonies that ripples outward through the organization. How likely is it that a player with two ACL tears is your reliable everyday shortstop, and you won't even see him at the earliest until the All-Star break of 2023? So, if you're the FO, do you go back to Jim Pohlad and ask for a megadeal extension for Correa and then re-sign Palacios (with a major-league deal this time) as his backup? Or do you re-sign Palacios and just hope the the market provides a serviceable second option while you wait/hope/pray that Lewis continues his storybook return mid-season? Not a terrible week in terms of play, but feels like a terrible week in terms of what it's done to the Twins' future plans.- 13 replies
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At least 5-4 through the nine game gauntlet? The Twins are legit. Not great, not perfect, but legit contenders for the AL Central, and maybe more. Great win today.
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Partial ACL Tear Ends Lewis's Season... Again!
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Partial ACL Tear Ends Lewis's Season... Again!
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Partial ACL Tear Ends Lewis's Season... Again!
LastOnePicked replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Unreal. Playing him out of position proved to be a terrible move, but I realize that they wanted to get his bat back in the bigs, and position flexibility it seemed to work okay for Gordon. But still, was this wise in his first year coming off of ACL? The results say no. You know, being a fan of this team isn't the easiest thing in the world. Okay, pity party over. Go get 'em, Lewis. You can still be a great story in 2023 as well. -
I should be more mad. I'm not. I expected a very easy Yankees sweep, but our boys snuck out a win and played fairly close baseball in the other two. The fight continues. But that Hicks trade ... keeps on stinging.
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Every time the Twins beat the Yankees, the skies all over Minnesota should be lit up. Wouldn't cost us much, considering it's not all that common. Not yet, at least.
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And yet the Orioles have already beaten them twice, and haven't lost yet my more than 2 runs. The Orioles. No one is saying the Yankees aren't good. It's just that many have been saying that the Twins are also good. If they are, they need to also beat the other good teams. Even great teams. No one expects the Twins to sweep this Yankees team. But winning 2 out of 3 at home is not an unreasonable place to set the bar for a Twins team we're supposed to be buying into. And they still could. This could have been the one bad game of this series. But my guess is, it won't be.
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