Twins Minor League Report (6/21): Schobel Powers Kernels to Another Win

6 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'm hoping cossetti moves up again this year in a month or so.....

Cardenas would be more likely to move up than Cossetti. He has a .406 OBP and I believe his D is pretty good.

Take a look at ERod’s numbers in June.  Looking like the player we hoped he would be.  
 

Add me to the list of those who would prefer either Wallner or Larnach with the Twins and Gallo gone.

15 minutes ago, roger said:

Take a look at ERod’s numbers in June.  Looking like the player we hoped he would be.  
 

Yep, he's definitely on a roll in June. He's still so young, so it's great to see him back on track and looking recovered from the injury.

Schobel is on a heater right now, and could get an early promotion too. He's improved every month at the plate and looking like a dangerous player. It'll be interesting to see how he does when he faces more advanced pitchers, but nice to see a 2nd round pick doing well early.

Really nice wave of position players at Cedar Rapids right now: Rosario, Rodriguez, Schobel, Cossetti, and Cardenas are all looking good, and there's still tons of potential in Urbina, Salas, and Miller. (I'm not sure how Morales fits in; at 24 and repeating a level he needs to be crushing it...but catchers often develop later) But there's a ton of talent on that roster and players that are going to be pushing for promotion.

I'm going to have to add Williams to the list of guys in AAA that we need to see in Minneapolis...  

CES: .416/.675 OBP/SLUG, 23/53 BB/K

CW: 396/.629 OBP/SLUG, 27/62 BB/K

Oh, and he can be our 3rd catcher...

2 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

While I would be interested in seeing what a red hot Williams may look like in the majors, Kyle Farmer has nearly 3000 professional innings at catcher, so we're in pretty solid shape in terms of a 3rd catcher right now. Williams has 900 innings for reference. 

I can't argue with that. That part was more about position flexibility than anything else. I expected people to react to the CES/Williams numbers. 

1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

Really nice wave of position players at Cedar Rapids right now: Rosario, Rodriguez, Schobel, Cossetti, and Cardenas are all looking good, and there's still tons of potential in Urbina, Salas, and Miller.

The only guys I care about in A+ are guys that are 21 or younger, if you are older than should you should be playing really well. (I give the two catchers a bit of a break because they do tend to take longer)

Unless of course the thought on a older guy is he is a year or so away from the majors. I want difference makers, not just role players in the majors.

11 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

 Cossetti is 23 and just got drafted a year ago. There's no rush. Vazquez and Jeffers aren't going anywhere. Camargo's at AAA, Winkel is at AA. He and Cardenas at High-A. 

He is 23 in A+, so 24 in AA, 25 in AAA, if that is the case he is more of just a minor league roster filler, he was a 11th round pick so that the most likely outcome no matter where he is playing. But IMO when you draft these older players they need to move along quickly so they can be trade bait, aren't blocking younger higher end talents (I am saying he is) or be moved on from. 

Why is 26 year old Keirsey in AA, I assume it is because Contreras (28), Larnach(26), Wallner (25), Stevenson(29) would be blocking his playing time? Why are Larnach and Wallner in AAA, because they are blocked by Kepler and Gallo. It is a domino effect and then trade assets turn into less of an asset, and you still end up trading the younger guys off anyway and when the mid 20's fail to produce to (which they do more likely than not) you get into the position the Twins are in.

My two cents on why people want to see some quick movement from some of the younger guys and maybe the fact way too many people talk about the need to percolate in the minors for seemingly years while other teams are getting their young high end talent to the majors at 20,21,22 years old to the majors and playing well.

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

The only guys I care about in A+ are guys that are 21 or younger, if you are older than should you should be playing really well. (I give the two catchers a bit of a break because they do tend to take longer)

Unless of course the thought on a older guy is he is a year or so away from the majors. I want difference makers, not just role players in the majors.

Schobel was just drafted in 2022 and is in high A at 22. By your formulation basically every college player we draft has to start their career in AA or they don't matter. This is Schobel's first season in full-year baseball, starting at Cedar Rapids is just fine.

Everyone wants "difference makers" but age doesn't decide that, and I'd rather the team make decisions about where to place a player be done based on their individualized development track, not their age.

4 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

Everyone wants "difference makers" but age doesn't decide that, and I'd rather the team make decisions about where to place a player be done based on their individualized development track, not their age.

Yes he just turned 22 about 20 days ago, so he would be, so he would be included in the 21 and under, but if there is hope he will be a above average player, he should be moving quickly. For example do great this year, moved to 22 next year and hopefully up and down the following years.

13 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

So guys one year out of college should be in AA or aren't going to be good?

if your hope for a player is to be a difference maker better than average manager league player, then you want the guys at 22 to be in AA yes, because they can be just a call away from the majors around age 22/23.

If you want a player like players that go one level a year and end of in the majors late 24 early 25 then bounce between the majors and the minors for a year or two and end up a role player/utility guy then by all means cheer for the older guys that are in A ball because in all be the rare cases that is best case scenario.

Schobel ( who I lumped into the 21 year old group) is on the same path as Larnach and should end the year in AA Putting him possibly in the majors at 23 if brought up next year, or early 24 if brought up early 25.

I can also see why the current Twins FO might like the idea of holding guys back a bit, because if they come up to early they become FA in the prime of their career and get the big money, but if you can hold back to age 24/25 they don't become FA agents until they are 30 greatly reducing their salary potential.

In the last few years they haven't brought up any real young players. Graterol was 20 in 19, Arraez was 22, and Celestino was 22 in 21. Other than that everybody has been at least 23. Now that might say more about their drafting philosophy than anything but it sure is nice having a 19/20 year old prospect waiting in the wings and pushing their way towards the majors.