Twins' Corner Infield Duo Chasing History

I’m sorry, can I just point out how bonkers it is that Mike Trout is nearly twice as good as your average baseball player? The dude is u real

This from the team that gave us Herbie & The Rat.

This is some heady stuff when you start talking about best hitting [X] ever. That is definitely something to bookmark and track for 2020. How about 90 Bombas from these two (50 from Sano and 40 from Donaldson)? Could 90 be a reality? It's still February with it being a leap year so I will allow myself to dream.

Statistical manipulation. Change the bar to 34 hr and the gushy story is a little different.

I’m afraid that baseball has changed so much that historical comparisons are no longer valid. The juiced ball last year means you can throw all of those stats out the window. Your point is well taken however that the Twins have quite a tandem at the corners

This from the team that gave us Herbie & The Rat.

Hrbek & Gaetti were a wonderful duo not only offensively but defensively. Offensively Donaldson & Sano are capable of blowing the lid off this thing

OK...I just gotta say...this recent spate of articles makes me worry that the Jinx Train is just pulling out of the station.  Maybe an article on how this team will never win without a payroll of at least $160 million would be warranted to try and slow that train down.

I’m afraid that baseball has changed so much that historical comparisons are no longer valid. The juiced ball last year means you can throw all of those stats out the window. Your point is well taken however that the Twins have quite a tandem at the corners

That's why OPS+ is part of the comparison: whether the ball was juiced or not isn't going to have a significant impact on OPS+, because that's a comp to the current season's league average. So if the ball is juiced and everyone has an extra 15% in slugging % or if it's a dead ball and the slugging % is down 20% it doesn't matter: the comp is against league average, allowing you to assess a player from very different eras based on how much better they were than the league average hitter.

Donaldson & Sano could be one of the best hitting pairs in history if you measure it based on having two guys who both cross a high threshold. Otherwise, you have to consider things like 1981 Phillies Mike Schmidt/Pete Rose (OPS+ of 198/118) where one guy in the pair really carried it.

But we're also really talking about them being possibly the best power hitting pair of corner infielders too. Otherwise guys like 1987 Boston Wade Boggs/Dwight Evans (Evans was their primary 1B that year...barely) who turned in 174/154 OPS+ that season, but are DQ'd by the HR requirement. That's what pushes Hrbek/Gaetti out of the mix too: their best "combo" season was 1988 Hrbek had an OPS+ of 150 while Gaetti clocked in at 148, but neither cleared 30 HRs. (that was easily Gaetti's best offensive season in MN, and his next best wasn't one of Hrbek's best)

They have the talent. Let's hope they have the health this year to do it. Should be a lot of fun to watch!

This is interesting, and I realize that Sano and Donaldson are the two chosen from the 2020 Twins because their offensive production is expected to be very good, but narrowing it down to only 1B and 3B twosomes is a bit arbitrary. What would be more interesting and significant would be to find the best twosomes at any positions from any team ever and use that as the standard. Mantle/Maris and Ruth/Gehrig immediately come to mind. I'm not going to do the research, but anyone reading this can feel free to do that and post the findings here.

I wonder how to adjust the home run context for era. Is there an ISO+?

The duo of Mathews and Adcock must have been pretty good in an era where it was not as common to hit 35 home runs.

Edit: I took a look. I think they should have made the list in 1956. They finished top 5 in baseball in home runs. Mathews led all 3B and Adcock led all 1B. Looking forward to Sano and Donaldson topping that duo.

9 of 12 you could also add Hank Aaron and Davy Johnson to the mix of duos. Both had 40 plus Big Flys in the early 70's. There was a 3rd fella on that team that went over 40 that year but I forget his name.

That third fella was Darrell Evans. The same fella Tim Laudner picked off third base in game four of the ALCS in 1987.

OK...I just gotta say...this recent spate of articles makes me worry that the Jinx Train is just pulling out of the station.  Maybe an article on how this team will never win without a payroll of at least $160 million would be warranted to try and slow that train down.

I totally understand the hype - on paper, this does look like the best Twins team....ever? And I cringe when I say that, because I do feel like that only adds more coal to the Jinx Train engine room. But hey, you gotta call it like you see it.

Seems like a stretch to say they are "chasing history" by saying they might be the best in a single hitting category that is also being manipulated with a threshold. But there were some great 1b/3b combos that I don't think they compare to.

Just a few of my favorites from the last 20-25 years

Pujols/Scott Rolen

Adrian Beltre/Kevin Youklis

Miguel Cabrera/Prince Fielder

A-Rod/Mark Teixeria

A-rod/Jason Giambi

Jason Giambi/Eric Chavez

Chipper Jones/Fred McGriff

Chipper Jones/Andres Galarraga

Donaldson and Fred Freeman were also pretty good last year.

Another way to look at it might be the most combined HRs/RBI for a CI duo...