Twins 3, San Francisco 2: Dozier, Vargas Power Twins Behind Solid Start From Berrios

Fantastic write-up!

 

I can tell you one big reason not to trade Ervin Santana - his effect on Jose Berrios. The super-talented youngster is watching Santana's every move on the mound, and it's gradually soaking in. You can see Berrios rapidly developing an organized, self-controlled presence on the bump. It's still a long way from the Zen-like calm of his mentor, but Berrios is quickly becoming a remarkably mature-looking pitcher. Oh, and his change up should be considered his third plus pitch at this point. Berrios can throw any of his three pitches for strike three. He should start throwing a lot more change ups with two strikes.

 

Meanwhile, I'm sort of hoping other teams don't notice how hard Kennys Vargas hit that home run on Saturday. 116 miles for each hour it traveled. I wonder if my motorcycle can go that fast... ;-)

Talk about trading Santana is just absurd. 

 

The first place Minnesota Twins are going to trade their All-Star pitcher, who is affordable and has thrown three complete game shutouts?

 

What people don't understand is that not only do the Twins have a chance to make the playoffs, but the Front Office have to be able to look players, fans and the media in the face for the balance of their tenure.

Talk about trading Santana is just absurd.

 

The first place Minnesota Twins are going to trade their All-Star pitcher, who is affordable and has thrown three complete game shutouts?

 

What people don't understand is that not only do the Twins have a chance to make the playoffs, but the Front Office have to be able to look players, fans and the media in the face for the balance of their tenure.

I posted this in the game thread that will disappear soon so I'm re posting it in here because I think it's important that as many people see it as possible...I couldn't agree with you any more Old Twon Cap..well said!!!

 

Wins breed confidence and confidence equals wins!

 

Not playing amazing baseball but the baseball the Twins are playing is solid and getting the job done

 

As the saying goes...'One game at a time'

 

I'm a relatively new baseball fan and I don't know too much about your troubles last season and the details of what went wrong but after Leicester winning the premier league...it just goes to show that anything can happen!

 

Also the Indians just lost to the White Sox at home and their record so far doesn't live up to how they played last season..Also does anyone know the Indians record at this stage last season?

 

Keep the faith guys! Go Twins!

Edited June 11, 2017 by brettbrett88

At this juncture I would not trade Santana. The only reason I would consider it is if the haul included a couple of the very hard to define "solid SP prospects". And the only reason for that is this team need numbers so badly. It does little good to have an Ace, if the bottom 2-3 of the rotation is cannon fodder.

Fantastic write-up!

 

I can tell you one big reason not to trade Ervin Santana - his effect on Jose Berrios. The super-talented youngster is watching Santana's every move on the mound, and it's gradually soaking in. You can see Berrios rapidly developing an organized, self-controlled presence on the bump. It's still a long way from the Zen-like calm of his mentor, but Berrios is quickly becoming a remarkably mature-looking pitcher. Oh, and his change up should be considered his third plus pitch at this point. Berrios can throw any of his three pitches for strike three. He should start throwing a lot more change ups with two strikes.

 

Meanwhile, I'm sort of hoping other teams don't notice how hard Kennys Vargas hit that home run on Saturday. 116 miles for each hour it traveled. I wonder if my motorcycle can go that fast... ;-)

Do you have any proof that Santana has an effect on Berrios?

And, if so, that it is a positive one?

Because Santana was on the team last year too, when Berrios was terrible.

I'm not saying that he doesn't. But I don't know. And, not sure how you can know.

Without any kind of evidence, that is no different than me saying that Berrios was terrible last year because of Santana.

Correlation does not always mean causation.

I echo that these writeups are phenomenal, well done to all involved. As for trading Santana, I think we should be open to the idea. If a team is desperate, and will give us 2-3 top 100 prospects, we should absolutely do it. While we might make the playoffs this year, we are not championship caliber yet, and we don't have the pieces in AAA to get there in the next year. However, if we can get a stud or two that can be part of the Gonsalves/Romero/Wright (if they draft him) wave, we could have a nice rotation in 2019. Not a bad return for a wild card/first round loss in 2017.

Just wanted to say that the write ups on the big league club have put the website over the top.. As a person who played sports at a high level it can be frustrating trying to find a website that actually has knowledgeable writers and yall definitely fit the bill.. Just wanted to let you know how great I think the site is.. Appreciate your guys effort

Bears REPEATING!!!!!!!

 

Whether I hear the game or not, these wrap ups make it even better.

 

And TWINS DAILY is the only site that a Twins fan needs!

 

Great job and a big thanks to those that run it and to all you great posters that are here!!!

Edited June 11, 2017 by Jerr

 

So does Sano have any HRs longer than that Vargas shot?

 

Nope!

 

It was the third-longest in the majors this year, trailing only Jake Lamb and George Springer. It was also the longest and hardest-hit home run by any Twin in the "Statcast era" of 2015 - now.

 

That was a freaking moonshot.

The quote and link to an article from Seth probably doesn't solve the debate, but I think it does add some credibility to the positive relationship between Santana and Berrios. True, their relationship, as it existed last year--and when this piece was written--didn't correlate to a winning season "when Berrios was terrible." But my qualitative sense of relationships, not necessarily quantitative or measurable, is that we humans are best when we support each other in difficult times, and that stability helps us make it through the difficult times. Sometimes we come out of difficult, terrible times, and we turn our lives and careers around, and thrive.

 

I prefer to think that having Santana pitch the day before Berrios is about mentoring, relationships, and building a stronger team. Perhaps that's naive.

 

The quote from Seth: "One thing that stood out to me was the relationship between Jose Berrios and Ervin Santana."

 

And the article: http://twinsdaily.com/topic/22211-article-its-berrios-time/

Again, that could very well be.

But his performance could also be completely unrelated to Santana.

Its a perfectly fair opinion, I just see it passed off as established fact, and that bugs me a bit.