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    Rocco Baldelli Said The Time Is Now. The Twins Should Listen.


    Hans Birkeland

    The Twins are good. Actually, they are really good, and the American League no longer is. Nobody seems to care, but that shouldn't stop the Twins front office from dangling some of their elite prospects to acquire a pitcher to put them over the top.

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    On the business side of things, the Twins are an absolute mess. Attendance is down, revenue is down, and while the TV contract situation nosed up in a small way recently, it still looks horrifying for 2025 and beyond. Ownership has been tone-deaf, making self-serving moves and proclamations, with little regard for the front office, team or fans. Like most private equity firms, they focus only on the short term while neglecting consumers and those who manage day-to-day operations.

    However, it's important to notice how good a job the baseball operations department has been doing the past few years. The farm system is one of the strongest 10 in the game; the lineup has performed admirably; and the pitching has stayed remarkably healthy, even if it hasn’t reached the peaks of effectiveness we saw in 2023. This team is a dark horse for the pennant, and nobody seems to acknowledge it.

    Last year, the Twins made noise in the playoffs, and this year, they have flown under the radar while maintaining the fourth-best record in the American League. The lineup has been a force of baseball nature since mid-April. The starting pitching has been serviceable, if rather unlucky, and the bullpen has several pieces it could turn to for the stretch run. Just like in 2023, when perhaps no bullpen could match the firepower of Jhoan Durán, Griffin Jax, Brock Stewart, Louie Varland, Caleb Thielbar, Chris Paddack and Emilio Pagán.

    The top three remain the same, with the potential to add Varland back along with the emergence of Jorge Alcalá as a sub-2.00 ERA demon from the right side. Justin Topa also exists, at least in theory.

    The rotation could use some top-end talent, but that is truly the team’s only flaw. But considering Pablo López’s recent playoff track record, it may be the most minute flaw of any contender. Let’s review:

    Baltimore: issues with both rotation and bullpen.

    New York Yankees: lineup depth issues, pitching has come back to Earth

    Seattle: Simply cannot hit, even after adding Randy Arozarena

    Houston: Patchwork rotation, could still be a threat if Justin Verlander returns strong

    Cleveland: Lineup holes, no clear number two starter behind Tanner Bibee, who is not a clear number one.

    Kansas City: Kind of like the Yankees with two elite hitters, but Salvador Perez is no Aaron Judge and the supporting cast is even worse. Also, they have a bad bullpen.

    Milwaukee: Christian Yelich’s injury was the last thing they needed. No number-two starter.

    Philadelphia: Late-game bullpen has been a sore spot. Addressed by trading for Carlos Estévez.

    Atlanta: No depth. I told you.

    LA Dodgers: Pitching issues. Evan Phillips has struggled, Walker Buehler hasn’t looked the same since Tommy John surgery, Yoshinobu Yamamoto is questionable to return this year, and Clayton Kershaw just came back.

    Some of these holes will be addressed at the deadline, but those acquisitions are an inexact science. Estévez looks like a perfect add for the Phillies, but the man has only pitched for the Rockies and Angels; who knows how he’ll react when presented with real pressure.

    The point is that the Twins are in really, truly great shape. The American League, as a whole, is definitely not. There should be a buzz around the Twins, but there are two roadblocks with that.

    One, Twins fans and media never put the cart before the horse, and the national media has absolutely no idea why the Twins are even in playoff position. Case in point, I listened to a couple of minutes of Jomboy Media’s Talkin' Baseball podcast, where they examined why all the top teams were struggling. Team by team, they listed flaws similar to what I mentioned above. When they got to the Twins, Jake Storiale, who suggested last year that the Blue Jays lose on purpose to face the Twins in the playoffs, described the Twins as “ssstruggling..?” Trevor Plouffe then reminded Storiale they just took two of three from the Phillies without their three best hitters.

    I don’t blame Storiale, who is more informed on the Twins than most analysts. National baseball media cares about two things: cute stories and counting stats. The Twins were somewhat cute last year, with a bunch of rookies led by Royce Lewis announcing their arrival by breaking one of sport's most notorious curses. But there were no counting stats to be had, with Max Kepler leading the team with 24 home runs and 66 RBIs. López and Sonny Gray led the team with 11 wins each, while Durán had 27 saves..

    This year is more of the same, but without the cute narrative. Ryan Jeffers and Carlos Santana lead the team in home runs with 14, tied for 66th in baseball. The RBI lead is a tie between Jeffers, Correa and Santana, at 47, tied for 70th in baseball. Correa has a high batting average, but that seems fleeting with his injury, and if he misses another week of games, he may not qualify for the batting title. On the pitching side, Durán has come back to Earth, while Ober and Joe Ryan have respectable but not attention-grabbing ERAs in the high threes. López will need a monumental second half to get his ERA below 4.00. They do, however, lead the league in strikeout rate as a pitching staff.

    Counting stats are fun. We all remember Joe Mauer hitting .365 with 28 homers in 2009. We remember Brad Radke winning 20 games in 1997, and Johan Santana striking out 250 batters on an annual basis with a sub-3.00 ERA.

    But even if no one on the team gets to 30 homers, and no starter has an ERA under 3.00, this team could easily be elite in offense and relief pitching. In basketball and football, the currency of trades is draft picks. In baseball, it's prospects. Walker Jenkins, Emmanuel Rodríguez, Brooks Lee and Zebby Matthews should all be in play to acquire either Tarik Skubal or Garrett Crochet. I’d lean toward Skubal, given Crochet’s extension demands. Failing those intradivisional options, maybe Justin Steele of the Cubs is available.

    Next year is next year, and payroll will likely drop even further. But Kepler and Kyle Farmer will drop off the books, so you should be able to lower payroll a bit and still get two shots at a title with a team that is elite in all three phases of the game. The team will probably be terrible by 2028. That’s baseball in a small market, when the ownership group chooses to behave according to those norms. Let's go out in a blaze of glory.

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    4 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

    Sorry dude but as soon as you wrote that Jenkins, Rodriguez, Lee & Matthews should be in play you lost all credibility.  You don't get better when your best players play for other teams.  Or your best prospects.  Some lines can't be crossed. End of story.

     

    Brooks Lee's bat has been on par with Kyle Farmer's, and he's the only guy who is or is likely to be on the 26 man from your list. If you're aiming for .500 baseball for the next 5 years, keep all your prospects. If you're aiming for playoff relevance for the next year or two, you move them in the right scenario.

    1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

    That's 2 top-100 prospects plus others. I don't think that's a riot worthy proposal. 

    Soto and Bell brought back 3 top-100 prospects plus others. 2 top-100 guys is a pretty reasonable starting point I think.

    Skubal looks like a top 5 pitcher in MLB. I don't see how you can get away without offering Jenkins. 

    2 hours ago, USAFChief said:

    I would be very reluctant to trade Jenkins, but for Skubal?

    Yes. All day. 

     

     

    Even Jenkins would barely get the ball rolling for Skubal. Baseballtradevalues. Jenkins is about 60. Skubal is 104. Skubal is one of the most valuable players in all MLB. He's basically what Chris Sale was when he was traded to Boston.

    Ober + Jenkins + Festa + Keaschall would likely get it done.

    36 minutes ago, Heiny said:

    Whether it's the FO or ownership doesn't matter at all to me.  But there were many possible sighnings the Twins could have made during the off season and did nothing, and there were many possible trades they could have made prior to the deadline and didn't (the best possibilities are gone).  This is a real thing, well I think it's real, ok, maybe not real, but it is a thing.  Everything is a thing, well maybe not everything.  Where was I going with this?  I get lost when I have to think a little.  Kinda like the Twins when they have to think about maybe trying to get a WS.

    What are the possible signings the Twins could have made this offseason?  To match last year's payroll, they would have had $28M available, but keep in mind their revenue is absolutely down.  Also keep in mind that the team is already at $90M for 2025, across only 5 players, and will have to give significant raises through arbitration to Jeffers, Lewis, Castro, Larnach, Ober, Ryan, Stewart, Jax, and Duran.  If those players average $3M each, now the payroll is at $117M, leaving the Twins only $33M to pay 12 players, an impossibility if they committed $25M beyond 2024.

    1 minute ago, bean5302 said:

    Even Jenkins would barely get the ball rolling for Skubal. Baseballtradevalues. Jenkins is about 60. Skubal is 104. Skubal is one of the most valuable players in all MLB. He's basically what Chris Sale was when he was traded to Boston.

    Ober + Jenkins + Festa + Keaschall would likely get it done.

    If the Tigers are trading Skubal (indicating they don't intend to compete next year, and potentially not in 2026 either), why would they want Ober, who has only one more year of team control than Skubal?  You're much more likely to have to give them Matthews or Rodriguez.

    Just now, Cap'n Piranha said:

    If the Tigers are trading Skubal (indicating they don't intend to compete next year, and potentially not in 2026 either), why would they want Ober, who has only one more year of team control than Skubal?  You're much more likely to have to give them Matthews or Rodriguez.

    Because the Tigers want to remain relevant immediately. They're not in rebuild mode. They'd trade Skubal if blown away, not because they want to. They're building and aiming for the playoffs, even potentially this year. They want guys they can use now or next year. Jenkins probably isn't that desirable as a headliner because he's so far away.

    Ober = 30ish, Jenkins = 60ish, Festa = 12ish, Keaschall = 20ish. = 122 total, and typically, you have to overpay when combining multiple pieces to trade for a single piece.

    Just now, bean5302 said:

    Because the Tigers want to remain relevant immediately. They're not in rebuild mode. They'd trade Skubal if blown away, not because they want to. They're building and aiming for the playoffs, even potentially this year. They want guys they can use now or next year. Jenkins probably isn't that desirable as a headliner because he's so far away.

    Ober = 30ish, Jenkins = 60ish, Festa = 12ish, Keaschall = 20ish. = 122 total, and typically, you have to overpay when combining multiple pieces to trade for a single piece.

    The Tigers want to remain relevant, and they're going to do that by trading away a top 5 starter in MLB under team control for 2 more years for one established but nowhere-near-as-good starter, and 3 prospects?  Keep in mind the Tigers only have $52M in payroll commitments next year, and under $30M in 2026 and 2027 (most of which is Baez, which ends after 2027).  If the Tigers actually want to remain relevant as you claim, I imagine they would much prefer to extend the sure(ish) thing in Skubal for say 6/$200M, buying out his last 2 years of arbitration.

    Don't agree Baltimore has rotation issues. They have a pretty solid playoff rotation even as of today.
    ERA/FIP
    1) Corbin Burnes 2.45/3.48
    2) Grayson Rodriguez 3.82/3.63
    3) Albert Suarez 3.62/3.69
    4) Zach Eflin 4.11/3.63
    5) Kremer 4.20/4.88.

    Word is they're in on Flaherty hard, too. If they land Flaherty, that rotation is likely going to be a real force to be reckoned with.

    3 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

    The Tigers want to remain relevant, and they're going to do that by trading away a top 5 starter in MLB under team control for 2 more years for one established but nowhere-near-as-good starter, and 3 prospects?  Keep in mind the Tigers only have $52M in payroll commitments next year, and under $30M in 2026 and 2027 (most of which is Baez, which ends after 2027).  If the Tigers actually want to remain relevant as you claim, I imagine they would much prefer to extend the sure(ish) thing in Skubal for say 6/$200M, buying out his last 2 years of arbitration.

    So you're saying it's not possible for the Tigers to acquire an ace, say like Corbin Burnes or Blake Snell in this offseason free agency? It's not honestly debatable the Tigers are looking to compete immediately, I don't think.

    42 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

    Skubal looks like a top 5 pitcher in MLB. I don't see how you can get away without offering Jenkins. 

    That's fair. I'm sure that's who they'd ask for. But if they see Emma as a top 30 or 40 global guy who's ready to join their team next year he's an awfully close replacement. Closer to the majors may give a boost. But certainly may take Jenkins.

    11 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

    So you're saying it's not possible for the Tigers to acquire an ace, say like Corbin Burnes or Blake Snell in this offseason free agency? It's not honestly debatable the Tigers are looking to compete immediately, I don't think.

    It's possible they could acquire Burnes or Snell, but it's far from guaranteed, and a much worse option than just keeping Skubal (who is also a superior pitcher to either Burnes or Snell)

    Burnes will have the QO on him, meaning the Tigers are giving up draft picks/international bonus money if they sign him, neither of which is the case if they simply keep/extend Skubal.  They also have to negotiate against everyone, including teams with deeper pockets, like the Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers.  They'll also have competition from teams that want to compete that have payroll space like the Orioles, the Nationals, and the Cardinals.

    For Snell, there's no guarantee he's even available.  He has an option in excess of $38M for next year, after which he can hit UFA with no QO attached.  Is a guy who spent a good part of the year injured, and currently sporting an ERA north of 5 really going to say no to almost $40M?  Even if he does, he's 4 years older than Skubal, and is so injury-prone he makes Royce Lewis look durable.  Again, if the Tigers want to compete, why would they want to get older, worse, and more injury-prone?

    I'm also not debating if the Tigers want to compete immediately.  I'm saying no team that wants to remain competitive is trading Skubal, unless they're getting a package along the lines of Henderson and Rutschman in return.  As such, Skubal's movement is a litmus test for how the Tigers view their future; if they want to compete, he'll stay in the Old English D.  Therefore, if he is traded, the Tigers aren't trying to compete in 2024 or 2025.

    2 hours ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

    It's so obviously tongue in cheek. Dobnak is a silly guy, if the handlebar weren't enough of a clue in. You're taking this much more seriously than he is. 

    I admitted it was tongue in cheek, but that doesn't matter I think it's stupid and unfunny ... much like his dreadful 'stache. However, I prefer his "sense of humor" and awful facial hair over his pitching. 

    For those of you who are Gollum-esque on our prospects...I just read that 79% of prospects in trades don't even make the bigs.

    Orioles are debating whether to give up Holliday to get Skubal. Jenkins + would get it done for us, but doubt Detroit trades him within division. 

    Ownership not going to spend money...just reality. But there are plenty of really good players out there who are cost efficient...if FO is willing to part ways with their precious. 

    3 hours ago, USAFChief said:

    Happily.

    Jenkins is a high quality prospect

    Skubal is a high quality MLB starter

    2.3 years, not 2, by the way, if I can't extend him.

    And unless the CBA changes, a draft pick compensation if he departs as a FA in 2027.

     

     

     

    Sorry, Captain Math. I guess 2.3 is WAY bigger than 2.

    Just now, USAFChief said:

    Well since the .3 is the current season in which the Twins are 1.5 games from missing the postseason, it seems important. 

    Unless that .3 includes a World Series trophy, it doesn't matter. I don't think there's any way Skubal alone makes them a World Series team. They can coast into their Wild Card spot without giving up the farm for Skubal.

     

    And honestly I'm not sure whey we're even discussing him ... unless they find takers for every bad contract on this team, there's no way Pohlad is signing off on paying an actual ace.

    18 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

     (Snell) has an option in excess of $38M for next year, after which he can hit UFA with no QO attached.  Is a guy who spent a good part of the year injured, and currently sporting an ERA north of 5 really going to say no to almost $40M?  

    This part is all false.

    As has been explained multiple times, if Snell exercises his option, it's for $15M in 2025, $15M in 2027. Not $38M in 2025.

    And why would there be no QO?

    I do agree the Tigers have no reason to trade Skubal though.

    4 minutes ago, jud6312 said:

    Unless that .3 includes a World Series trophy, it doesn't matter. I don't think there's any way Skubal alone makes them a World Series team. They can coast into their Wild Card spot without giving up the farm for Skubal.

     

    And honestly I'm not sure whey we're even discussing him ... unless they find takers for every bad contract on this team, there's no way Pohlad is signing off on paying an actual ace.

    I think you have me confused with someone who thinks the Tigers will trade Skubal.

    I don't.

    I simply said if they did, I'd happily include Jenkins as the major part of the return.

     

     

     

    1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

    I think you have me confused with someone who thinks the Tigers will trade Skubal.

    I don't.

    I simply said if they did, I'd happily include Jenkins as the major part of the return.

     

     

     

    Exactly. Nobody thinks the Tigers will trade Skubal, but if the Twins did trade for him, Jenkins is the only piece they have which is valuable enough to start the conversation.

    Red Sox picked up Lucas Sims from the Reds. Waiting on the return, but doubt it was much. Better than Okert and Thielbar. This is the kind of move that you make. People will shrug and say, who is Lucas Sims? Or, they'll say it doesn't move the needle. Until the Twins are winning 3-2 in the 7th inning and Rocco hands the ball to Okert or Thielbar to get a couple of lefties out.

    1 minute ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

    Red Sox picked up Lucas Sims from the Reds. Waiting on the return, but doubt it was much. Better than Okert and Thielbar. This is the kind of move that you make. People will shrug and say, who is Lucas Sims? Or, they'll say it doesn't move the needle. Until the Twins are winning 3-2 in the 7th inning and Rocco hands the ball to Okert or Thielbar to get a couple of lefties out.

    But Lucas Sims is a righty. Is he especially good against lefties?

    Just now, jud6312 said:

    But Lucas Sims is a righty. Is he especially good against lefties?

    He is a righty, yes but is good against lefties for his career. Okert and Thielbar are the two most obvious spots to upgrade, IMHO. Doesn't necessarily have to be a lefty.

    2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

    This part is all false.

    As has been explained multiple times, if Snell exercises his option, it's for $15M in 2025, $15M in 2027. Not $38M in 2025.

    And why would there be no QO?

    I do agree the Tigers have no reason to trade Skubal though.

    There would be no QO on Snell because it was put on him last year, and no player can get the QO twice.  When I look at Snell's contract, what I see is that the Giants paid him $15M this year, and will have to pay him $17M in January 2026, regardless of whether he's on the team.  That leaves $30M that he would be walking away from if he opts out (payable as you outlined above).  So not $38M, but still $30M; in my opinion, that's a lot of money to say no to.  Especially when you consider that he struggled to find a contact last year, coming off a Cy Young season, albeit with a QO attached.  Boras tends to push his clients to bet on themselves, so I would not be surprised if the play, barring a string of great starts down the stretch, is to take the $30M, and aim for a year of health and production, then get the logical evolution of the Sonny Gray contract for 2026, say 4/$120 with a club option for $20M and $5M buyout as year 5.




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