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    Twins Should Hang Onto Jorge Polanco, at Least for Now


    Nash Walker

    It seems almost a no-brainer for the Twins to move Jorge Polanco and his $10.5-million salary this offseason. Even as a staunch believer of both of the youngsters who would replace him, though, I'm less sure. 

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    The Twins are in an envious position. All but a handful of MLB teams would swap their current state of affairs for a locked-in core of Royce Lewis, Edouard Julien, Carlos Correa, Ryan Jeffers, Byron Buxton, Pablo López, and Jhoan Durán, not to discount an additional two top-20 prospects in Walker Jenkins (Ranked 16th at MLB Pipeline) and Brooks Lee (18th). 

    There is loads of talent in the organization, evidenced by a stellar second half in which the Twins went 42-29 (a 96-win pace) while scoring the second-most runs (398) and allowing the fourth-fewest (306) in the American League. If there was ever a year in which the 26-man collection could endure payroll restrictions, 2024 is it. But that's a slippery slope. 

    Lewis, who should be a trendy 2024 MVP pick, is earning the minimum at third base. Same for Julien, Matt Wallner, Durán, and three presumptive rotation members, Joe Ryan, Bailey Ober, and Louie Varland. Chris Paddack comes in at $2.5 million, a very affordable price for a backend starter. López is collecting a mere $8.25 million on the front end of a brilliant four-year, $73.5-million extension agreed to in late April. That's chump change for an ace. 

    Jorge Polanco’s $10.5 million appears bloated by comparison, especially given the self-imposed budgetary constraints. The institutional anchor, after nearly 15 years and 1,466 games in the organization, is not a player you push to flip. Polanco’s 118 wRC+ ranked sixth among 26 A.L. second baseman with at least 250 plate appearances last season. He posted career highs in Barrel rate and Hard-Hit rate, while producing an OPS significantly better than MLB’s mean. While he graded poorly by Outs Above Average (OAA) at -5, Polanco finished as a plus in Defensive Runs Saved (1).

    Lee, who is a legitimate top-end prospect, doesn't look quite ready. As of this writing, he’s 22 years old and hit .237 with a .731 OPS in his first taste of Triple A. In an extremely offense-friendly environment, Lee’s wRC+ of 78 was 22 percent below the league average. I’m not saying he won’t be good (or even great!) in the majors; he just probably won’t be for a bit. Like Julien last May, you cross that bridge when you come to it for a team with the potential to play deep into October. 

    Finding that same proverbial room for Julien is unnecessary. Unlike José Miranda, who held his own against same-sided pitchers in 2022 and essentially pushed out Gio Urshela in a similar situation at third, he’s best suited for a fairly strict platoon role. An early season pairing of Buxton and Julien at DH could be exceedingly favorable for the Twins, assuming Buxton eases back into center field during that time.

    A $12-million club option for 2025 lets the Twins re-evaluate Polanco next offseason and make the call then. There is ample capital with which to deal for starting pitching, without taking away from a deep, brawny position player group.

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    The fixation in moving Polanco in most spaces is opportunity cost: the loss of potential gains from other alternatives. Perhaps overcoming his greatest flaw, Julien seemed competent defensively down the stretch. The numbers check out. He went from -4 OAA from March through June to 4 OAA from July through September. The rookie finished with a neutral number of runs prevented, per Statcast.

    It’s sensible to simply chalk Julien in at second base, wait for Lee, and send Polanco on his merry way, with big-league help or prospects coming in return. This type of roster architecture has borne fruit on numerous occasions in Twins history. See: rookie Joe Mauer replacing A.J. Pierzynski, who was traded for Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano. Or, for a more recent example: acquiring López for Arraez, who watched from afar as Julien emerged in his spot.

    I'm almost always in favor of this "trust the kids" strategy. Not in this case. First, you're not going to net a López for Polanco, who remains good and underrated but also limited by age and injuries. It's true that since 2021, Polanco ranks fifth among 39 qualified second basemen in wRC+ (121), homers (63), and fourth in RBI (202). It's equally true that, after leading the Twins by a mile with 1,574 plate appearances from 2019 to 2021, Polanco has logged a total of 788 since. Recurring lower body trouble has limited him to 181 starts over the last two seasons. It's enough to wonder if the 30-year-old is nearing the end of his prime. 

    I'm willing to bet he has a lot more to give in 2024. Polanco is the prototype of a well-known, well-liked veteran who supplements a roster brimming with young talent. He's no longer one of the team's best players, but that doesn't mean he's instantly dispensable. He's a good enough player until he shows you he's not. I want to keep as many good players as possible, with a modest potential return in mind.

    What's your stance on Polanco? How much would the Twins have to get in return in order for you to be ok with the departure of such a long-tenured fixture?

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    13 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

    Farmer and  Polanco can both play first base. 

    Never seen Polanco there……Farmer maybe twice?? They both seem to be a stretch as the “other guy at first” as Kirilloff will max out at 130-135 games if the Team is very fortunate.

    Haven’t seen anyone here or any writers suggesting either of these guys regularly at 1B. Emergency availability, sure. Other than that - a real stretch coming out of Spring Training.

    Your opinion - I get it…..,,,,doesn’t seem very likely.

    Versus left handed pitcher Farmer is at 2B 95% of the time.

    The problem with playing Polanco at 1B or DH is he isn't worth $10.5M there. His bat is nothing special compared to the other options at 1B or DH. JD Martinez and Brandon Belt are still looking for work. Both of them signed for less than $10.5M last season. If you want a DH you sign JD Martinez and trade Polanco to a team that needs a 2B.

    9 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

    @Riverbrian To your point about Polo and Buck only being available for 100 games, can be viewed positively for the young guys getting more opportunity. Is that best for winning in ‘24? That is a huge question mark for sure!  Who steps into their roles if they are out for a month or two with more nagging injuries.  Rookies are full of growing pains but at least we have some to try out instead of the Jake Caves of the AAAA types. 

    That's exactly what you want those young guys for.

    The Twins have done a great job building the overall depth of the team so if Lewis or Correa or Buxton or Polanco gets hurt... the fall shouldn't be as painful.  

    Now that we have depth... We need bigger and better at the top end of the hitting spectrum to make the team better. It's much better to turn to a Miranda instead of Luplow when the need arises.  

    22 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

    Never seen Polanco there……Farmer maybe twice?? They both seem to be a stretch as the “other guy at first” as Kirilloff will max out at 130-135 games if the Team is very fortunate.

    Haven’t seen anyone here or any writers suggesting either of these guys regularly at 1B. Emergency availability, sure. Other than that - a real stretch coming out of Spring Training.

    Your opinion - I get it…..,,,,doesn’t seem very likely.

    Versus left handed pitcher Farmer is at 2B 95% of the time.

    Then you just flip Julien over to 1B and put Polanco at 2B like they did last year when Kirilloff was down. 

    Do you honestly think Farmer can play SS but can't play 1B? Do you think Polanco played SS his whole life before moving to 2B but couldn't shift over to 1B for 50 games?

    34 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    Then you just flip Julien over to 1B and put Polanco at 2B like they did last year when Kirilloff was down. 

    Do you honestly think Farmer can play SS but can't play 1B? Do you think Polanco played SS his whole life before moving to 2B but couldn't shift over to 1B for 50 games?

    It’s not a talent issue……Byron Buxton could probably play 1B as well. Julien is a defensive statue and played part of a game at 1B.

    Again, if they commit to play Polanco at first as an alternative to Kirilloff, I see some value there but I don’t hear anyone suggesting that will happen. If he could play 1B he might be the starter 130 games, again, nobody is predicting Polanco at 1B.

    Farmer can catch too. it their not going into the season as him as the 2nd catcher.

    It’s not Legion Ball - the guys have to be very good at a position to play it for more than a handful of innings once in a while in the Show.

    5 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

    It’s not a talent issue……Byron Buxton could probably play 1B as well. Julien is a defensive statue and played part of a game at 1B.

    Again, if they commit to play Polanco at first as an alternative to Kirilloff, I see some value there but I don’t hear anyone suggesting that will happen. If he could play 1B he might be the starter 130 games, again, nobody is predicting Polanco at 1B.

    Farmer can catch too. it their not going into the season as him as the 2nd catcher.

    It’s not Legion Ball - the guys have to be very good at a position to play it for more than a handful of innings once in a while in the Show.

    If Julien is too much of a statue to play 1B why do you have him penned in to 2B so solidly that Polanco doesn't even have a spot on your 13 man position player roster? If "guys have to be very good at a position to play it for more than a handful of innings once in a while in the Show" why is Julien your starting 2B if he's a "defensive statue?" 

    I don't think they need to "commit to play Polanco at first." I think he could slide over there tomorrow and hold his own. Same with Farmer. You've suggest Miranda as the Kirilloff partner at 1B. Do you think he's "very good" at 1B? Do you think he's better than Polanco would be?

    I can't follow the logic in your arguments.

    4 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

    Siting Arraez v. Polanco stats are interesting…….the difference & my recurring point in this debate about Polanco’s value is that Arraez played 90% of games & Polanco played 55% of games over the past 2 seasons.

    Stats don’t translate from the IL. That’s my arguement - period. Can’t afford another Buxtonlike guy on the roster.

    Just to be clear:

    A] Availability is important, I'll grant you that 100%. IIRC, it appears Polanco's ankle is finally OK. His 2023 season was delayed some, but the time he missed later in the season was not related to his previous injuries. I believe it was relatively minor and not for very long. Again, IIRC. 2024 could, and hopefully will be, a healthy one for him. But I understand your point.

    B] When I cited Arraez's and Polanco's OPS and OPS+ over the past 3yrs, and how close they are, I was referencing Polanco's value as a trade option. While Polanco is about 3yrs older than Arraez, if Arraez could net a return of Lopez and a couple A level prospects by himself, shouldn't Polanco and a couple good, solid prospects in our top 20 net an arm without the Twins having to move one of their top 3-5? 

    Sorry if my comparison between the two wasn't more clear. :)

    10 minutes ago, DocBauer said:

    shouldn't Polanco and a couple good, solid prospects in our top 20 net an arm without the Twins having to move one of their top 3-5? 

    Sorry if my comparison between the two wasn't more clear. :)

    I think you have captured the heart of the matter Doc.  You have to believe that this type of trade is what the FO is trying to pull-off.  It's going to competitive for SPs so let's hope the trade partners value Polanco enough that it does not take a top prospect to get pitching.

    Polanco is a very good athlete, he came up as a SS after all, I think he can make the transition to 1B, much like Carew did. 

    Julien started at 2B in both WC games, was PH for by Farmer in Game 1 and PR for by Farmer in Game 2. Farmer stayed in both games to play 3B while Polanco moved over to 2B. He started at 2B in Game 1 of the ALDS, PH for Farmer late in Game 2 (Valdez started, LHP) and was the DH in Games 3 and 4 (Solano started Game 4 at 1B in place of the injured Kirilloff).

    Polanco started the 2 WC games at 3B and moved over to 2B once Julien was removed in both games. He started Game 1 of the ALDS at 3B and moved over to 2B for Games 2, 3 & 4 once Lewis was healthy enough to play in the field. Seems to me the team valued Polanco over Julien due to his ability to hit both handed pitching and his versatility in the field.

    27 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    I think you have captured the heart of the matter Doc.  You have to believe that this type of trade is what the FO is trying to pull-off.  It's going to competitive for SPs so let's hope the trade partners value Polanco enough that it does not take a top prospect to get pitching.

    I love me some Jorge Polanco and would be tickled to death if he was part of the 2024 Twins. I'd have him play some 1B in ST and continue to have him play 3B as well, not because he'd probably be great at either spot, but because it just helps utilize the 13 man player roster better. We already know he's a solid 2B and quality batter. How about having him as a PH on days he doesn't start?

    But all I've been saying is it's all of these qualities...plus a desirable contract...that makes him valuable as a trade chip as well. I've never once said I WANT him traded. But you have to give to receive. 

    Nobody saw the Pacious for Odorizzi deal coming. Nobody saw the Petty for Gray deal coming. And while there were certainly rumors about moving Arraez, I doubt anyone saw him for Lopez, plus the two A ball prospects being thrown in. 

    Personally, and this is just me, I'd love something like Polanco, Larnach, and maybe Severino to Seattle for Castillo. Seattle keeps all of their inexpensive young arms, cuts payroll (which has been a strong rumor), adds bats, and the Twins can fit Castillo's contract for 2024. The Twins are will to say: "Screw it. Farmer and Kepler are gone after '24...probably...and even with raises to other players, we'll figure it out when the time comes."

    It would be BOLD for the FO/ownership to do, but it makes sense for both sides and could pay nice dividends for both sides. Of course, Castillo and his agent would probably look for a bump of some sort to waive the no trade clause I've heard he has, so that probably ruins my fantasy entirely, LOL.

    But we have no idea what the FO is going to try to pull off here, just as we didn't see the last three rabbits out of the hat moves they made. With, or without Polanco involved....maybe Kepler...the question remains as to whether they can do it a 4th time.

    23 hours ago, DocBauer said:

    I love me some Jorge Polanco and would be tickled to death if he was part of the 2024 Twins. I'd have him play some 1B in ST and continue to have him play 3B as well, not because he'd probably be great at either spot, but because it just helps utilize the 13 man player roster better. We already know he's a solid 2B and quality batter. How about having him as a PH on days he doesn't start?

    But all I've been saying is it's all of these qualities...plus a desirable contract...that makes him valuable as a trade chip as well. I've never once said I WANT him traded. But you have to give to receive. 

    Nobody saw the Pacious for Odorizzi deal coming. Nobody saw the Petty for Gray deal coming. And while there were certainly rumors about moving Arraez, I doubt anyone saw him for Lopez, plus the two A ball prospects being thrown in. 

    Personally, and this is just me, I'd love something like Polanco, Larnach, and maybe Severino to Seattle for Castillo. Seattle keeps all of their inexpensive young arms, cuts payroll (which has been a strong rumor), adds bats, and the Twins can fit Castillo's contract for 2024. The Twins are will to say: "Screw it. Farmer and Kepler are gone after '24...probably...and even with raises to other players, we'll figure it out when the time comes."

    It would be BOLD for the FO/ownership to do, but it makes sense for both sides and could pay nice dividends for both sides. Of course, Castillo and his agent would probably look for a bump of some sort to waive the no trade clause I've heard he has, so that probably ruins my fantasy entirely, LOL.

    But we have no idea what the FO is going to try to pull off here, just as we didn't see the last three rabbits out of the hat moves they made. With, or without Polanco involved....maybe Kepler...the question remains as to whether they can do it a 4th time.

    Seattle's projected payroll is only $117M so moving Ray and DeSclafini coming off next year may have satisfied their payroll needs.  They are definetly not as good, especially in the playoffs if they move Castillo.  I doubt they go that route.  They also gave up a ton to get him.  Marte is Cincy's #1 prospect, Arroyo is #3 and Stroudt made it to the MLB level last year.  Dipotto looks pretty bad if he flips Castillo for less than a haul at this point.

    25 minutes ago, KBJ1 said:

    While we all Love Polo, Farmer is better defensively,  especially at 3B & SS.

    Depends on the trade package we can make. For a closer -Yes!

    Polanco, Kepler + prospects for a #2 Starter? You bet. Give him away for salary reasons, No!

    How would you feel if they traded him for a good AAA prospect and then reinvested the $10.5M plus another 5-10M in a starting pitcher?  That would put them at $125-130M in payroll which seems feasible. 

    What if they traded him and Kepler for prospects and used the money to bring in Hoskins and a BP arm?

    Thanks, Nash, this article was a breath of fresh air. Finally, one that makes sense which I haven't seen since  Marlins SPs up for trade. the way it looks to me Polanco will be 100% after years of physical abuse on the field. We all know what Polo can do when he's !000%. Forget about the years of having to play hurt. He's back & in his prime. Keep Polo! Go Twins!




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