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    Frozen in Place: AL Central Teams Sitting Out an Active Hot Stove Season


    Nick Nelson

    The Minnesota Twins have been painfully inactive this winter, as you've probably noticed. What you might not have noticed is that the entire division has basically been at a standstill.

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    Generally speaking, this has been an eventful and exciting offseason for Major League Baseball. We've seen plenty of big names sign in the first two months, including Juan Soto's historic deal with the Mets. Top free-agent starter Corbin Burnes recently inked a $210 million deal with Arizona. A huge proportion of the premier talents on the market have signed. We've also seen a number of big trades.

    Through it all, the Twins have sat on the sidelines, with not one notable acquisition as we venture into the new year. The extent of their action has amounted to procedural arbitration moves, minor-league signings, a Rule 5 draft pick, and a modest trade. Whatever moves are still to come will likely be more focused on reducing payroll than adding impact talent. 

    While highly irritating, this is not surprising. Twins officials have made no secret of their intent to stay the course after slashing payroll by $30 million a year ago. What is more surprising is that the rest of the clubs in the AL Central have been so complacent in taking advantage of the situation.

    Coming out of 2023, it looked like the Twins might be poised to reign over the Central, with a strong core and a lack of serious competition. They breezed to a division title with 87 wins, then broke through with a postseason advancement. 

    At a high point for the franchise, ownership abruptly chose to slash spending, which played a role in the tables completely turning for the AL Central in 2024. The division sent three teams to the playoffs, and none of them were the Twins. Two of those teams (Detroit and Cleveland) advanced, with the Guardians reaching the ALCS.

    While aspiring to sell the team, the Pohlads reportedly remain committed to their payroll constraint. This theoretically opens the door for the rest of the division to build on its collective momentum and make a push. Instead, no one is doing much of anything, and spring training is officially closing in. It's a bit weird, but from the Twins' perspective, you sorta have to view it as a good thing.

    In a recent piece at Bleacher Report, Kerry Miller named the AL Central as one of the biggest losers in this MLB offseason. "After producing multiple teams with winning records for the first time since 2020," Miller wrote, "this division might be taking a big step backward in 2025."

    No kidding. The other teams have been more active in acquiring talent than the Twins, but that's not saying much. Let's take a look at each AL Central club and their offseason activity thus far. (Info courtesy of MLB's official tracker.)

    Chicago White Sox
    We knew the Sox weren't going to do much this offseason as they embark upon a rebuild from the wreckage of a 121-loss season. Their biggest move thus far has been trading away ace starter Garret Crochet to the Red Sox, shipping out the only remaining player on the team who was worth more than 2 fWAR last year. However, they've at least been active in adding players from a quantitative standpoint. 

    Departures: 

    Additions: 

    Kansas City Royals
    Following a 30-win improvement, the Royals made a pretty emphatic early statement by re-signing free agent starter Michael Wacha to a three-year contract at the start of the offseason. Shortly after, they made a trade, sending pitcher Brady Signer to Cincinnati for second baseman Jonathan India and outfielder Joey Weimel. 

    Fine moves, sure. But hardly the assertive, all-in types of statements that some thought we might see from an emergent franchise angling for a new stadium and led by a young MVP runner-up. 

    Departures:

    Additions:

    • 2B Jonathan India (trade with Reds) 
    • OF Joey Wiemer (trade with Reds)

    Detroit Tigers
    The Tigers are another team from which many were anticipating a bold and aggressive offseason. They've been big spenders in the past while in competitive windows, and at last they appeared to hoist theirs open last year with a magnificent second half that lifted them to the playoffs.

    Alas, Detroit has made two notable moves through two-plus months of the offseason: signing infielder Gleyber Torres and right-hander Alex Cobb to a one-year contracts. Torres is a solid pickup with upside, though he's coming off a mediocre year in New York. Cobb made all of three starts last year and he's 37. 

    The Tigers have reportedly been in on some big fish, most prominently Alex Bregman, but thus far nothing has materialized and insiders express doubt that they'll do what it takes to get him, as much as A.J. Hinch might yearn for a reunion. I'm guessing Detroit has some type of splash in store but a lot of those opportunities have come off the table already.

    The Tigers didn't lose anyone significant to free agency, and they have arguably the best starter in the league in Tarik Skubal. Still, they seem to be putting a lot of faith in their torrid second-half hot streak turning into legitimate sustained success with the pieces that have. Personally I have doubts.

    Departures:

    • None

    Notable acquisitions:

    • 2B Gleyber Torres (1-year deal)
    • RHP Alex Cobb (1-year deal) 

    Cleveland Guardians
    The defending division champs have predictably gone into right back into cost-control mode, which has been their M.O. much longer than it's been Minnesota's. Coming off a breakthrough campaign, the Guardians traded two of their top five position players in Josh Naylor and Andrés Giménez, shedding plenty of salary in the process. 

    These quality players brought back some solid young talent with long-term potential, of course. But do either of these trades make Cleveland a better team in 2025? Tough argument to make. I'm not sure re-signing Shane Bieber or bringing a 39-year-old Carlos Santana is going to be enough to offset the losses of those two veteran regulars along with the regression looming for a team that outperformed expectations thanks to a historically great bullpen.

    Departures:

    • LHP Matthew Boyd (Cubs)
    • RHP Alex Cobb (Tigers)
    • 2B Andrés Giménez (trade with Blue Jays)
    • RHP Nick Sandlin (trade with Blue Jays)
    • RHP Eli Morgan (trade with Cubs)
    • 1B Josh Naylor (trade with D-backs)

    Additions

    • C Austin Hedges (re-signed; 1 year-deal) 
    • RHP Shane Bieber (re-signed; 1-year deal)
    • 1B Carlos Santana (1-year deal) 
    • RHP Luis L. Ortiz (trade with Pirates) 
    • RHP Slade Cecconi (trade with D-backs)

    The Twins Are Keeping Pace with the Pack
    The fact that the AL Central division as a whole has been standing mostly idle this offseason does not excuse Minnesota's decision to stand still completely. If anything, it underscores the lost advantage they could be gaining if the front office were afforded the flexibility to address a couple areas of need meaningfully.

    However, fears that the rest of the division would push their chips in and start distancing themselves from a stagnant Twins team have not been realized, and it's not clear they will be. Say what you will about ownership's effort level, but if we're viewing the matter strictly through the lens of payroll, Minnesota's been trying harder than the rest of the AL Central for the past seven years and it looks like that might be the case once again.

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    33 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    Their highest-paid players (Correa, Buxton, Lopez) are their best players. That's what you want, isn't it? Yes there are going to be availability questions with Correa and Buck but I'll take that over paying $25M to Javier Baez who you'd prefer not to have playing when healthy.

    Everything you said is true, but it's still also true that Correa and Buxton have been part-time players. Did the front office err in signing them, or are they just unlucky? I don't know the answer. I thought the Buxton signing was a team friendly deal and was all for it. The Correa signing only makes sense if they have a payroll approaching $200 million.

    4 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    India came with the loss of Singer. Santana came with the loss of Naylor. It's a little misleading to only count additions and not subtractions when talking about the moves those teams made. Cleveland traded their gold glove 2B for salary relief, One could argue they had to do that to afford Bieber. Torres is the only addition that didn't come with a subtraction. 

    And farm system rankings are all well and good, but if David Festa and Zebby Matthews were still eligible MN would be much higher than 13. The White Sox just set the all time single season loss record and traded their best player to land the prospects to get that ranking. I'll take the Twins situation over that any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    At this point I 'd take anything over the ChiSox organization

    1 hour ago, RpR said:

    True but , it seems, right now, Twins rookies do a belly-flop more frequently than other teams.

    This is truly the nut they need to crack. 

    Probably a bit of local team bias but a consistently top 5 farm system should graduate more lineup lock players. We are still playing pick a spot with every guy in his third year.

    Squinting to make Miranda and Julien maybe 1st baseman isn't a great last step of player development. 

    On the topic, I do understand why they are being patient with these guys.  Unlocking the kids has always been the key.

    Guys the Twins have a pretty stable roster at the moment.  I don’t expect much the next theee offseason either maybe a trade of a player for prospects with a player ready to come up from the minors thing.  
     

    Also the AL Central is gearing up for the bargain bin shopping bonanza before the start of the season.  Kansas City only needs complimentary players some offense that can hit above league average and a few relievers Cleveland can sign Polanco for 2B, Detroit was talking with Flaherty I think and can probably get by with another offensive player or two off the discount rack.  Detroit is the only competitive team that really needs a player like Bergman at 3B.  So get ready for the discounted dollar store shopping spree coming soon to the AL Central.  Be there or miss the offseason…. I guess.

    The top 2 salaries from each team / next 24 players out of 26 person roster/ 26 man team payroll /Revenue.

    Seems like each team has an additional $26M in player costs. Add cost to payroll, divide by revenue for percentile of finances spent on players. Caveat on all numbers from Cots and Statistica.

    This always makes me think of how we hear about players receiving around 50% of revenue. Hmmmm?

    MIL  ($42M/$59M/$101M) / $320M  @40M 

    CWS ($32M/$27M/$59M) / $288M  @30M

    CLE   ($31M/$57M/$88M) / $315M   @36M

    DET ($40M/$63M/$103M) / $306M @42%

    KCR ($38M/$67M/$105M) / $302M  @43%           

    MIN ($59M/$75M/$134M) / $342M  @47%

    Seems like the Twins have it better when it comes to spending on players beside the top two salaries.

    I'm guessing Detroit, Kansas City, Cleveland, and Milwaukee still have some room for additional payroll. I'm expecting those teams to make some additions. Bregman and Verlander to Detroit?

    The Twins look maxed out, which leaves the front office to be "creative". I'm counting on some fun gains from our guys and hope the front office finds a productive deal or two. I am thinking that a number of younger / inexperienced players make a difference.

    4 hours ago, RpR said:

    True but , it seems, right now, Twins rookies do a belly-flop more frequently than other teams.

    Learning a position at the MLB level is not how you develop players.

    Playing a kid part-time is not how you develop players.

    Continuing to play an over-matched kid is not how you develop players. 

    Seems a lot more failure should be placed on the MLB staff than on the MiLB staff(s).

    4 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

    Guys like Lewis, Lee, Keaschall, Castro, Larnach, Wallner, Rodriguez are pretty good. Obviously Buxton and Correa. Miranda can hit. The Twins have players. They just seem to be a mishmash to me without clearly defined roles. Maybe that shifts this year. Oh, the pitching staff looks pretty good right now. It is easily a .500 team and with a few tweaks, maybe 90. That is a fair team.

    You don't tweak a bad team and then win 90. There's got to be real changes after a team looks as pathetic as they did last season.

    Ownership obviously doesn't care about the on field product this year, focused solely on getting rid of the team. So the fans should adjust their expectations accordingly. 

    2026 and beyond! 

    3 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

    This is truly the nut they need to crack. 

    Probably a bit of local team bias but a consistently top 5 farm system should graduate more lineup lock players. We are still playing pick a spot with every guy in his third year.

    Squinting to make Miranda and Julien maybe 1st baseman isn't a great last step of player development. 

    On the topic, I do understand why they are being patient with these guys.  Unlocking the kids has always been the key.

    Then leave them in AAA till they are ready, do not waste time being another American Legion team  for youngsters.

    If they fail, move on, or send them back as many times as necessary.

    There are many players who excell except in MLB, the Twins seem to find them.

    1 hour ago, mnfireman said:

    Learning a position at the MLB level is not how you develop players.

    Playing a kid part-time is not how you develop players.

    Continuing to play an over-matched kid is not how you develop players. 

    Seems a lot more failure should be placed on the MLB staff than on the MiLB staff(s).

    MLB is not where you develope players, it is where you separate the wheat from the chaff.

    1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

    The top 2 salaries from each team / next 24 players out of 26 person roster/ 26 man team payroll /Revenue.

    Seems like each team has an additional $26M in player costs. Add cost to payroll, divide by revenue for percentile of finances spent on players. Caveat on all numbers from Cots and Statistica.

    This always makes me think of how we hear about players receiving around 50% of revenue. Hmmmm?

    MIL  ($42M/$59M/$101M) / $320M  @40M 

    CWS ($32M/$27M/$59M) / $288M  @30M

    CLE   ($31M/$57M/$88M) / $315M   @36M

    DET ($40M/$63M/$103M) / $306M @42%

    KCR ($38M/$67M/$105M) / $302M  @43%           

    MIN ($59M/$75M/$134M) / $342M  @47%

    Seems like the Twins have it better when it comes to spending on players beside the top two salaries.

    I'm guessing Detroit, Kansas City, Cleveland, and Milwaukee still have some room for additional payroll. I'm expecting those teams to make some additions. Bregman and Verlander to Detroit?

    The Twins look maxed out, which leaves the front office to be "creative". I'm counting on some fun gains from our guys and hope the front office finds a productive deal or two. I am thinking that a number of younger / inexperienced players make a difference.

    Are those revenue numbers from 2023?

    8 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    India came with the loss of Singer. Santana came with the loss of Naylor. It's a little misleading to only count additions and not subtractions when talking about the moves those teams made. Cleveland traded their gold glove 2B for salary relief, One could argue they had to do that to afford Bieber. Torres is the only addition that didn't come with a subtraction. 

    And farm system rankings are all well and good, but if David Festa and Zebby Matthews were still eligible MN would be much higher than 13. The White Sox just set the all time single season loss record and traded their best player to land the prospects to get that ranking. I'll take the Twins situation over that any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    Can't go with this.  They lost Naylor, got our Santana and a prospect.  We lost Santana and got nothing - just hoping.  We lost Kepler and got nothing, could we have traded last year and got a prospect?  We have brought in a list of pitchers I do not want to go over and got nothing back as we let them walk.  Sorry, the other teams have done better and I am sorry that is the case.  

    55 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    You don't tweak a bad team and then win 90. There's got to be real changes after a team looks as pathetic as they did last season.

    Ownership obviously doesn't care about the on field product this year, focused solely on getting rid of the team. So the fans should adjust their expectations accordingly. 

    2026 and beyond! 

    Cleveland went from 76 wins in 2023 to 92 wins in 2024 without a significant addition.  It has been very common for teams building a young core to make significant improvement based on the development of young players.  

    5 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

    Can't go with this.  They lost Naylor, got our Santana and a prospect.  We lost Santana and got nothing - just hoping.  We lost Kepler and got nothing, could we have traded last year and got a prospect?  We have brought in a list of pitchers I do not want to go over and got nothing back as we let them walk.  Sorry, the other teams have done better and I am sorry that is the case.  

    This. Detroit added. KC has addressed a weakness. Cleveland has shuffled some pieces. CWS can likely only improve over 41 wins. Twins have signed the ultra versatile Mike Ford. Detroit and KC are also still being linked to players still on the board, which is more than the Twins are. We are only being linked to trading two guys just so we can meet "budget."

    I'm not sure how we can honestly say that "the Twins have kept pace with the pack." We lost Carlos Santana and Max Kepler and nothing to replace them. Our defense will be a black hole. Lewis at 3rd, if not injured. Julien at 2B and Miranda at 1B. GL with this.

    3 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    Are those revenue numbers from 2023?

    Good question.

    I used articles published last November (2024), but rechecking the revenue numbers are, indeed, from 2023. I guess numbers for 2024 are not out anywhere. This does change things certainly and i apologize for the error. As such, the expenses should be from last year and not the projected 2025 numbers. The payroll numbers below are rounded using 40 man roster plus MLB costs of benefits and bonuses applied to all teams.

    MIL. $144 Rev. 320  45%

    DET  $110 Rev. 306   36%

    CLE. $125  Rev. 315   40%

    KCR  $143 Rev. 302   47%

    MIN  $149 Rev. 342   44%

    CHW $157 Rev. 288   55%

    FYI

    Thank you the question. I don't usually go over this stuff too closely. Seems like teams are more or less doing what they can, but we might be able to see how some teams can add or understand that the White Sox are a mess.

    2 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

    Can't go with this.  They lost Naylor, got our Santana and a prospect.  We lost Santana and got nothing - just hoping.  We lost Kepler and got nothing, could we have traded last year and got a prospect?  We have brought in a list of pitchers I do not want to go over and got nothing back as we let them walk.  Sorry, the other teams have done better and I am sorry that is the case.  

    Now you seem to be combining this offseason and overall recent historical front office performance into one. Arguing any Central team other than Cleveland has outperformed the Twins front office recently is nonsense. Nobody would make that argument. The Twins got a 1st round comp pick back for Sonny Gray. 

    The Guardians can have 39-year old Santana for 12 mil. For a team with their offensive and financial struggles to drop that contract on that guy at 1B over Naylor is a win for the Twins. That swap made the Guardians a worse team. Slade Cecconi (the guy they got back for Naylor) isn't a prospect. He's been in the majors for parts of 2 seasons (104 innings, 17 starts) and owns an ERA over 6. In 77 innings last year (more than Festa threw for the Twins for reference) he had a 6.66 ERA. If the Twins traded their 2nd best hitter for Slade Cecconi in a swap like this these boards would be losing their collective minds. But the Guardians do it so now it's a win? Nope. Not buying it. Add in that they also traded their gold glove 2nd baseman to do nothing but save money and there's no way you guys would be praising the Twins for this. None. You'd be lighting the Twins up. But now you're claiming the Guardians are improving. The Guardians are less talented today than they were when the season ended.

    Traded Kepler when? Before last year or during the season? Could have traded him before the season, and I would have. Rumors were they tried. These boards would've been pretty split on that with him coming off the 2nd half he had in 2023 and them coming off the playoff wins. But no, they couldn't have gotten anything useful for him in the middle of the year when he was terrible and hurt. Kepler isn't a loss from 2024. He was bad. He didn't help the team. Already mentioned that they got stuff for Gray. They traded Berrios and fans still complain about that. Can't please everyone. They should trade Ryan or Ober after 2025, but they'll get lit up for that. 

    21 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    Cleveland went from 76 wins in 2023 to 92 wins in 2024 without a significant addition.  It has been very common for teams building a young core to make significant improvement based on the development of young players.  

    Sure. But the Twins look like they need a new rebuild given their current roster and restrictions. Not just a Mark Canha or Tommy Pham to patch a hole.  

    If, say, Royce Lewis was the biggest question mark I wouldn't feel this way. But he's just one of about 7 on their current roster. 

    This young core sadly appears to be a near complete bust. To the point you have fans wishing on Austin Martin based solely on the fact he was drafted 5th many years ago. Not to mention those fans trying to convince themselves Keirsey is a suitable backup CF for the guy we all know is going to miss at least half the season...

    22 minutes ago, sweetmusicviola16 said:

    This. Detroit added. KC has addressed a weakness. Cleveland has shuffled some pieces. CWS can likely only improve over 41 wins. Twins have signed the ultra versatile Mike Ford. Detroit and KC are also still being linked to players still on the board, which is more than the Twins are. We are only being linked to trading two guys just so we can meet "budget."

     

    15 minutes ago, sweetmusicviola16 said:

    I'm not sure how we can honestly say that "the Twins have kept pace with the pack." We lost Carlos Santana and Max Kepler and nothing to replace them. Our defense will be a black hole. Lewis at 3rd, if not injured. Julien at 2B and Miranda at 1B. GL with this.

    Max Kepler didn't help the Twins in 2024. His loss doesn't mean anything. The Guardians traded their gold glove 2B and didn't replace him and their 2nd best hitter and replaced him with a guy who can't hit righties. They've made both their defense and already bad offense worse. Why should we care if Cleveland "shuffled pieces" if the new pieces are worse than the old pieces?

    KC really hasn't done anything to improve overall as they traded from their rotation to address that weakness. If the Twins trade Ober for a bat would you say they've addressed their weakness and thus "kept pace with the pack?" The Royals had the 2nd best rotation ERA in baseball last year. It's why they were good. They just traded one of their starters. So now the best part of their team is weaker. Have they really improved? 

    Detroit adding Gleyber is the only move that didn't come with a direct reduction in talent from the major league roster of one of our division rivals. If they add Bregman as well the 2025 Tigers would be looking pretty solid. But the other 2 teams worth talking about haven't improved their teams. So it's not too hard to "keep pace."

    That being said, there's a lot of offseason left and, as you said, the other teams have a lot more noise around them than the Twins do. It certainly feels more likely that one or more of them add than the Twins add. But as of right now nobody in the central has really made any moves to separate themselves from this jumbled mess of mediocrity.

    5 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    Sure. But the Twins look like they need a new rebuild given their current roster and restrictions. Not just a Mark Canha or Tommy Pham to patch a hole.  

    If, say, Royce Lewis was the biggest question mark I wouldn't feel this way. But he's just one of about 7 on their current roster. 

    This young core sadly appears to be a near complete bust. To the point you have fans wishing on Austin Martin based solely on the fact he was drafted 5th many years ago. Not to mention those fans trying to convince themselves Keirsey is a suitable backup CF for the guy we all know is going to miss at least half the season...

    Near complete bust? Matt Wallner had a wRC+ of 155 last year. Was 143 the year before. Larnach was 121. Miranda 115. Lewis has crushed when healthy and was again last year until he ran out of gas (lost 1.7 MPH on his swing at the end of the year). Jeffers 107. Ryan and Ober are very much established legit major league pitchers. If that's a near complete bust of a young core I'd hate to see what your expectations are for a contending core. 

    Are there massive health question marks with their 3 most talented position players? Absolutely. Is there a consistency concern from the roster overall that is mind boggling? For sure. But even with the collapse those guys put up more than respectable numbers.

    8 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    The Guardians traded their gold glove 2B and didn't replace him and their 2nd best hitter and replaced him with a guy who can't hit righties.

    You say all this as if the Twins improvements aren't getting rid of their second best hitter to give more playing time to...Miranda and Julien? And as if Kepler will be suitably replaced by Austin Martin? 

    Sorry, but currently the Twins are worse than last season.

    2 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    You say all this as if the Twins improvements aren't getting rid of their second best hitter to give more playing time to...Miranda and Julien? And as if Kepler will be suitably replaced by Austin Martin? 

    Sorry, but currently the Twins are worse than last season.

    Kepler was already replaced by Martin last season so that isn't a change from 2024 to 2025. Miranda hit better than Santana last season so that is an improvement.

    Other than those things, sure solid point.

    3 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    Kepler was already replaced by Martin last season so that isn't a change from 2024 to 2025. Miranda hit better than Santana last season so that is an improvement.

    Other than those things, sure solid point.

    For 1/3 of the season, sure, and the Twins were significantly worse for it. 

    Miranda is a career 105 ops+ guy. Excuse me for not getting excited at the thought. But you're right...that means we're more so giving that playing time to Julien. Hooray! 

    6 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    Kepler was already replaced by Martin last season so that isn't a change from 2024 to 2025. Miranda hit better than Santana last season so that is an improvement.

    Other than those things, sure solid point.

    Martin replace Kepler. 🤣but he never played Right Field and was lousy in Center Field.

    Miranda 9 dingers, Santana 21, but Santana played 30 more games; maybe if Miranda had played 30 more game he would have had those 12 extra dingers.

    Just now, NYCTK said:

    For 1/3 of the season, sure, and the Twins were significantly worse for it. 

    Miranda is a career 105 ops+ guy. Excuse me for not getting excited at the thought. But you're right...that means we're more so giving that playing time to Julien. Hooray! 

    I mean if you really want to get into it Martin isn't replacing Kepler at all. Martin isn't going to be a starting corner outfielder. Wallner is replacing Kepler in RF and that's a massive upgrade offensively while being a clear downgrade defensively. But overall it's an upgrade. So, the loss of Kepler isn't hurting anything because Matt Wallner in RF is an upgrade overall for the team.

    Don't do that. You know very well that Miranda's 2023 OPS+ number was way down because of his injured shoulder and that's why his career number is 105. His healthy rookie season was 114 and last year was 112. But the discussion we are having is the change from the 2024 to 2025 team. The point you tried to make was the Twins lost their 2nd best hitter (you were trying to suggest that was Santana for some very weird reason) and I pointed out that Miranda hit better than him last year. Because he did. I'd be happy to make a wager with you that Miranda out hits him again in 2025. And there's no reason to believe that Santana leaving is clearing the way for more playing time for Julien. None at all. Miranda hit better against righties than lefties last year. Miranda as the everyday 1B is a far more reasonable expectation than Julien taking 1B reps from him.

    4 minutes ago, RpR said:

    Martin replace Kepler. 🤣but he never played Right Field and was lousy in Center Field.

    Miranda 9 dingers, Santana 21, but Santana played 30 more games; maybe if Miranda had played 30 more game he would have had those 12 extra dingers.

    That wasn't my suggestion, it was the other poster. Martin isn't really replacing Kepler, Wallner is. And it's a very clear upgrade overall for the Twins.

    Miranda was a better overall hitter than Santana. 

    You're not worth discussing this with because your stance on all of this kind of stuff is that the veteran is the better option no matter what. So keep giving me the thumbs down and laughing faces and I'll just enjoy my night.

    2 hours ago, NYCTK said:

    You don't tweak a bad team and then win 90. There's got to be real changes after a team looks as pathetic as they did last season.

    The BP blew at least 10 games where Lopez, Ober, Ryan or SWR pitched well enough to win. Last year's team was closer to winning 90+ games than you might think.

    It might be tougher to do this year, but the talent is there, the coaching staff just needs to draw the talent out.

    1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

    Sure. But the Twins look like they need a new rebuild given their current roster and restrictions. Not just a Mark Canha or Tommy Pham to patch a hole.  

    As currently constituted, the Twins are projected to have a top 10 offense and top 10 pitching staff in MLB, and those projections systems are accounting for the uncertainty. They are nearly a push to win the AL Central in Vegas, despite everyone being aware of what happened down the stretch.

    Saying the Twins look like they need a rebuild is just out of touch with reality. It's a good team. They won 82 games last year even with the historic collapse and people act like they won 60.

    38 minutes ago, Nick Nelson said:

    As currently constituted, the Twins are projected to have a top 10 offense and top 10 pitching staff in MLB, and those projections systems are accounting for the uncertainty. They are nearly a push to win the AL Central in Vegas, despite everyone being aware of what happened down the stretch.

    Saying the Twins look like they need a rebuild is just out of touch with reality. It's a good team. They won 82 games last year even with the historic collapse and people act like they won 60.

    Yabbut they went sumpin like 22-0 against the White Sox, didn't they? 😀

    1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

    That wasn't my suggestion, it was the other poster. Martin isn't really replacing Kepler, Wallner is. And it's a very clear upgrade overall for the Twins.

    Miranda was a better overall hitter than Santana. 

    You're not worth discussing this with because your stance on all of this kind of stuff is that the veteran is the better option no matter what. So keep giving me the thumbs down and laughing faces and I'll just enjoy my night.

    That is what you said.

    Your stance is that the rookies, or forme rookies are better no matter what , so you are no different than I am.

    Thumbs down mean we disagree, if that is a point you must mention, it bothers you and it should not.

    I get plenty and take them for what they are.

    Happy New Year.




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