Sano's Elbow To Be Re-Examined

[Craig Arko]

Apparently on Jan. 24th, you can ask Sano for yourself at TwinsFest.

[Ncgo4]

Roger Maris was actually born in Hibbing and moved to ND when he was young. The family name was "Maras", but changed it to "Maris". Wanted to pass as French, I guess.

[TheLeviathan]

In some ways, this isn't the worst news in the world. First, position players aren't really negatively impacted by TJS and they recover more quickly than their pitching brethren. That means Sano would be back and ready to play by Opening Day 2015. Second, that would put Buxton and Sano in lock-step with one another through their six years of service time.

 

Sure, nobody wants to see Sano go down for a season (or something close to a season) but this isn't disastrous news should it actually occur.

 

I thought, because of how they profile, that Sano coming earlier was a good thing. Odds are that Sano will probably struggle more early on than Buxton, so getting those adjustments out of the way early was potentially a benefit. That way their blossoming as impact players coincided more.

[Halsey Hall]

Sano's down here rehabing, and hopefully that will do it. Only time will tell now. The medical staff probably doesn't know either. I'd think if he gets thru spring training ok, he'll be fine. If not, a season is shot but he'd be ready to go next spring.

 

In the long run, I'd give Sano a better career than Buxton, but then again, only time will tell.

[B Richard]

If both players pan out, I don't see how the Twins keep both.

 

Really? We don't have a ton of cash tied up in future payrolls. I would have to think one of the chief benefits of this would be the ability to retain our own homegrown talent. Neither one of these kids is from the twin cities, but I would hope we would at least be able to secure their talents with Longoria-esque deals. It's still risky, but definitely worth it IMO.

 

Now if you don't extend either one until they are near FA, then good luck. I believe the Twins should vigorously pursue extending these guys before they even hit arb.

[johnnydakota]

If both players pan out, I don't see how the Twins keep both. A decision will probably be made on one or the other anyway. At least if they're on the same service schedule, they're more likely to peak at the same time. Either way, I don't think it's a significant issue.

 

Yeah, it would suck if Sano missed that much development time, I'm just pointing out that it's not the end of the world.

 

So we build the Palace and then we dont keep our quality players?

You dont think if we end up with another Joe and Justin ,

that Terry W.Ryan wont keep them both?

[twinsfan34]

Really? We don't have a ton of cash tied up in future payrolls. I would have to think one of the chief benefits of this would be the ability to retain our own homegrown talent. Neither one of these kids is from the twin cities, but I would hope we would at least be able to secure their talents with Longoria-esque deals. It's still risky, but definitely worth it IMO.

 

Now if you don't extend either one until they are near FA, then good luck. I believe the Twins should vigorously pursue extending these guys before they even hit arb.

 

 

I'm with this line of thinking. I think the Twins would still find a way to afford both of them, granted one could present trade value that it's realized and they'd have to pull the trigger on MLB ready talent (e.g. Wil Myers, Hanley Ramirez).

 

But we afforded Morneau and Mauer, both were about as spendy as any duo in the league. Mauer was 2nd (well, 4 players had less than $500k annually per year, so 5th) and Morneau was 31st in 2011. Of the teams not the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, Cubs, and Tigers - that was as high as any duo.

 

The Twins were also willing to pay Hrbek and Puckett top dollars when they had a chance to become Free Agents.

 

They made Jack Morris the highest paid player in 1991. He and Puckett were top 5.

 

The Twins have proven they'd pay their own as well as anyone.

[Thrylos]

The Twins were also willing to pay Hrbek and Puckett top dollars when they had a chance to become Free Agents.

 

They made Jack Morris the highest paid player in 1991. He and Puckett were top 5.

 

The Twins have proven they'd pay their own as well as anyone.

 

Jack Morris was not the highest paid player in 1991. He was not even the highest paid pitcher in 1991. He was the highest paid AL pitcher.

 

That said, comparing the MacPhail Twins of 2 World Championships to the Ryan Twins of misery followed by almost good enough to misery, and the methods of the 2 GMs, does not make much sense.

[Doomtints]

The Twins were also willing to pay Hrbek and Puckett top dollars when they had a chance to become Free Agents.

 

If memory serves, both Hrbek and Puckett took smaller-dollar contracts to stay with the Twins.

 

Puckett was the highest paid player in baseball for about a week (89?), but even by the standards of that era he was a great deal at about $3 million per. The big salary explosion started pretty soon after that and within about a year his salary wasn't even in the top 40. When he re-signed four years later his salary moved up to around 9th -- and Hrbek was around 90th.

[twinsfan34]

Jack Morris was not the highest paid player in 1991. He was not even the highest paid pitcher in 1991. He was the highest paid AL pitcher.

 

That said, comparing the MacPhail Twins of 2 World Championships to the Ryan Twins of misery followed by almost good enough to misery, and the methods of the 2 GMs, does not make much sense.

 

[TABLE=class: wide_table]

[TD=colspan: 3]Salary s c a p y [/TD]

[TR=class: bold_text]

[TD=align: right]1.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Strawberry (LAD)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,800,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TD=align: right]2.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Carter (TOR)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,791,667[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Mitchell (SFG)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,750,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right][/TD]

[TD=align: left]Clark (SFG)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,750,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Morris (MIN)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,700,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Davis (KCR)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,625,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]7.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Davis (CIN)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,600,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]8.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]McGee (SFG)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,562,500[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Langston (CAL)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,550,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Raines (CHW)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,500,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right][/TD]

[TD=align: left]Canseco (OAK)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,500,000[/TD]

[/TABLE]

 

 

He's near the top...better?

[twinsfan34]

If memory serves, both Hrbek and Puckett took smaller-dollar contracts to stay with the Twins.

 

Puckett was the highest paid player in baseball for about a week (89?), but even by the standards of that era he was a great deal at about $3 million per. The big salary explosion started pretty soon after that and within about a year his salary wasn't even in the top 40. When he re-signed four years later his salary moved up to around 9th -- and Hrbek was around 90th.

 

True, they did take less to stay with us. So did Joe Mauer, could have had more to sign with the Yankees, but didn't.

 

Puckett was the highest paid player at one time, which is still the highest paid player, no matter if teams did or did not follow suit, is another story.

[twinsfan34]

Jack Morris was not the highest paid player in 1991. He was not even the highest paid pitcher in 1991. He was the highest paid AL pitcher.

 

That said, comparing the MacPhail Twins of 2 World Championships to the Ryan Twins of misery followed by almost good enough to misery, and the methods of the 2 GMs, does not make much sense.

 

According to BR, Morris was the highest paid pitcher in 1991.

 

[TABLE=class: wide_table]

[TD=colspan: 3]Salary s c a p y [/TD]

[TR=class: bold_text]

[TD=align: right]1.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Strawberry (LAD)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,800,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TD=align: right]2.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Carter (TOR)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,791,667[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Mitchell (SFG)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,750,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right][/TD]

[TD=align: left]Clark (SFG)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,750,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Morris (MIN)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,700,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Davis (KCR)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,625,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]7.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Davis (CIN)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,600,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]8.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]McGee (SFG)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,562,500[/TD]

[TD=align: right]9.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Langston (CAL)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,550,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right]10.[/TD]

[TD=align: left]Raines (CHW)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,500,000[/TD]

[TD=align: right][/TD]

[TD=align: left]Canseco (OAK)[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$3,500,000[/TD]

[/TABLE]

[twinsfan34]

Jack Morris was not the highest paid player in 1991. He was not even the highest paid pitcher in 1991. He was the highest paid AL pitcher.

 

That said, comparing the MacPhail Twins of 2 World Championships to the Ryan Twins of misery followed by almost good enough to misery, and the methods of the 2 GMs, does not make much sense.

 

Who's the 5 most successful GMs since 1980 when you consider, trades (good and bad), MLB draft (Rule 4 and Rule 5), W-L record, and playoff appearances where teams are actually a byproduct of that GM. e.g. Beane's first 3 years as GM (Giambi, Tejada, etc majority of team WAR are not his players) don't count towards that success, come from the previous GM...want to take a stab in the dark?

 

Everyone has their own rating system, so margin for error of course. But definitely some objective metrics that clearly can't be denied.

 

Trades are decided by WAR gained versus lost. Carlos Gonzalez and Matt Holiday are killing Beane in this dept as they continue to provide lost value on his Michael Taylor return.

[ashbury]

Who's the 5 most successful GMs since 1980 when you consider, trades (good and bad), MLB draft (Rule 4 and Rule 5), W-L record, and playoff appearances where teams are actually a byproduct of that GM.

 

Cap Huston. The purchase of Babe Ruth, FTW.

[B Richard]

Cap Huston. The purchase of Babe Ruth, FTW.

 

I heard that one worked out really well, or something like that