Article: Twins Trade Jamey Carroll to the Royals

[Seth Stohs]

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[John Bonnes]

Second PTBNL trade for the Twins. It'll make for a couple of interesting days in the offseason when these are announced. We'll get to see what the Twins scouting department comes up with.

 

(I sure hope we hear something. Cuz if not, it's just more cash.)

[deanlambrecht]

Dang. Love Jamey Carroll. He's everything that's good about pro baseball - heart and hustle. I really hope the Royals can make it happen and give Jamey another shot at the post season.

[John Bonnes]

He seems like he would be a good coach in the organization. I think Gardy has even said as much. I hope trading him doesn't lessen the chances that happens.

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

He seems like he would be a good coach in the organization. I think Gardy has even said as much. I hope trading him doesn't lessen the chances that happens.

 

I agree 100%, John.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I agree 100%, John.

Me too, especially since the return is difficult to predict and the roster spot opening only buys 3 weeks of looking at a prospect before sept call ups.

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

Who will the Twins bring up in his place? Eduardo Escobar seems like he'd be the most likely choice.

[Kwak]

Exactly what I expected--Royals were looking for an INF who could help them. I hope he takes KC to the WC! Good luck to him and KC. PTBNL? Hmm, difficult to get excited about that, but somebody and a cost-cutting move by the FO! That's our Ryan!

[ashbury]

Me too, especially since the return is difficult to predict and the roster spot opening only buys 3 weeks of looking at a prospect before sept call ups.

 

This move is probably more about opening a slot on the 40-man for Mastro than about who replaces him on the 25-man. And probably even more about moving him to a contender, as a professional courtesy.

[Jim H]

This is about the kind of trade I would of expected. The Twins have been showcasing Carroll, Thomas, and Doumit. Of course Doumit is hurt, but none of these guys seem to fit in future plans so even minimal returns make sense. I don't doubt that the Twins would trade Willingham or Morneau but I rather suspect that they want at least one of those guys back next year.

 

I also think that they would move one of their relievers(maybe Deunsing) if anybody is interested. As much as many seem to want it, I would be a little surprised if they manage to move Correia or Pelfrey.

[MrEnthusiasm]

Great. Our best pitcher.

 

In all seriousness, good for Carroll. He'll get to play a more significant role with a team that's been playing some good winning baseball as of late. He's a smart, gutty player and he deserves to play in games that matter. If the Twins can get any kind of value for him at all at age 39, it's a good move.

[raindog]

Good move, I'm happy for Carroll. The guy is probably going to start a lot of 2nd base. The Royals have been starting someone even older, Miguel Tejada, along with some other misfits. Carroll will be an upgrade.

[jokin]

So predictable that you would call it a cost-cutting move, Kwak. Right.

 

Well, considering that the trade cut the costs of the remainder of Carroll's contract this year and the $250,000 buyout of next year, which likely totals around $1.5M, and that the Twins will likely end up with $20,000-$50,000 in return for the trade, I'd say Kwak was just about exactly, "Right".

[Major League Ready]

Exactly what I expected--Royals were looking for an INF who could help them. I hope he takes KC to the WC! Good luck to him and KC. PTBNL? Hmm, difficult to get excited about that, but somebody and a cost-cutting move by the FO! That's our Ryan!

 

Cost cutting? You really think moving Jamie Carroll is about cost cutting. That of course is a rhetorical questions because that is ridiculous. Does it really make sense to take playing time away from others by playing Jamie Carroll at this point? Can we likely use that spot on the 40 man in ways that benefit the team in the future?

[jokin]

Great. Our best pitcher.

 

In all seriousness, good for Carroll. He'll get to play a more significant role with a team that's been playing some good winning baseball as of late. He's a smart, gutty player and he deserves to play in games that matter. If the Twins can get any kind of value for him at all at age 39, it's a good move.

 

Exactly right. A classy guy now playing for a manager that likes crafty and crusty veterans bolstering his kiddie corps. Perfect fit at the bottom of the KC order for the Royals stretch run. Best of luck to Jamey.

[jokin]

Cost cutting? You really think moving Jamie Carroll is about cost cutting. That of course is a rhetorical questions because that is ridiculous.

 

Your declarative statement doesn't necessarily make it so. Please explain further. About $1.5M saved by the Twins.

[raindog]

I think it's a combination of cost cutting and a baseball move. Saving 1.5 million is okay for a team going nowhere. Getting a 39 year old off the roster makes sense for a rebuilding team.

[jokin]

I think it's a combination of cost cutting and a baseball move. Saving 1.5 million is okay for a team going nowhere. Getting a 39 year old off the roster makes sense for a rebuilding team.

 

You nailed it, Dog. The knee-jerk defenders over-reacted to what was probably the best business move the Twins had left with Jamey (unless maybe Jeter was declared out for the year and the Yankees were competing with the Royals).

[ashbury]

Moderator note: this thread spun quickly into name calling, and this needs to stop now.

[jokin]

Moderator note: this thread spun quickly into name calling, and this needs to stop now.

 

This is a sincere inquiry as I am assuming that you might have been directing your comment at my post. Is the accurately descriptive (and neutral in my mind) term "knee-jerk defenders" considered name-calling? If so, I apologize. The original poster wondered if the move was a typical cost-cutting move by the FO and was first mocked for his thought, and then called "ridiculous" by a second poster. Are those "namecalling?"

 

To wit-- Is calling someone's post the "laughingstock" of Twins Daily, name- calling?

[Kwak]

Exactly right. A classy guy now playing for a manager that likes crafty and crusty veterans bolstering his kiddie corps. Perfect fit at the bottom of the KC order for the Royals stretch run. Best of luck to Jamey.

 

Believe it or not, but MLB is a business. Playing time? He was a reserve. The Twins will pocket that money.

[Tokyo Twins Fan]

I like the move since it frees up a spot for someone else on the 25 and 40 man. Carroll was a classy guy and good leader for the young guys, but we are now all about 2014. I guess Mastroianni needs to be put back on the 40 man. I would like to see us call up one of the young infielders (other than Escobar who we've already seen), but the only other guy on the current 40 man roster would be Santana. Doumit can't be activiated until Thursday, so I guess whoever comes up will be a short time replacement. Who else can play 3B on the current roster? Or will be stuck seeing Ploufee there everyday until September?

[John Bonnes]

This is a sincere inquiry as I am assuming that you might have been directing your comment at my post. Is the accurately descriptive (and neutral in my mind) term "knee-jerk defenders" considered name-calling? If so, I apologize. The original poster wondered if the move was a typical cost-cutting move by the FO and was first mocked for his thought, and then called "ridiculous" by a second poster. Are those "namecalling?"

 

To wit-- Is calling someone's post the "laughingstock" of Twins Daily, name- calling?

 

Yes, they are.

[John Bonnes]

The timing of this makes me thin th $ was not the primary motivation, but the Twins saved $1M+ with this move. I'd be more optimistic about the PTBNL if I heard the Twins were picking up part of Carroll's salary.

 

Next question: how happy is Doug Bernier tonight?

 

The timing of this also makes me think that Ryan was going to move Carroll one way or the other to make room on the 40 man Nd the Royals gave the best offer. Which makes me pretty dubious about the PTBNL.

[Kwak]

To clarify, I was congratulating Ryan for the trade (and also wishing Carroll well) for obtaining said PTBNL and saving money (and by extension, opening a slot on the active roster)--that was a good trade (IMO) and Ryan earned his kudo. Apparently not all agree. Oh well...

[ashbury]

This is a sincere inquiry as I am assuming that you might have been directing your comment at my post. Is the accurately descriptive (and neutral in my mind) term "knee-jerk defenders" considered name-calling? If so, I apologize. The original poster wondered if the move was a typical cost-cutting move by the FO and was first mocked for his thought, and then called "ridiculous" by a second poster. Are those "namecalling?"

 

To wit-- Is calling someone's post the "laughingstock" of Twins Daily, name- calling?

 

Rather than threadjack this or other discussions, I put up a response in my blog. Go there and tear me a new one if you feel so motivated.

[drjim]

The timing of this makes me thin th $ was not the primary motivation, but the Twins saved $1M+ with this move. I'd be more optimistic about the PTBNL if I heard the Twins were picking up part of Carroll's salary.

 

Next question: how happy is Doug Bernier tonight?

 

The timing of this also makes me think that Ryan was going to move Carroll one way or the other to make room on the 40 man Nd the Royals gave the best offer. Which makes me pretty dubious about the PTBNL.

 

It is probably safe to be dubious of the ptbnl. It was Jamey Carroll after all.

[Rick Niedermann]

I really enjoyed watching Jamey Carroll play. Many clutch hits. Great hustle. Fantastic glove. These are the kind of guys you really appreciate. Total team player. I wish him the best of luck with KC.

[Mike Sixel]

It can be a good trade for the Twins (money saving, maybe even getting cash), while still being a bad trade for the fans (better they put in money, and get a lotter ticket of a minor leaguer). It does the fans no good for the team to have more cash, unless the team spends it. So, ya, it can be a good trade for the team, but not helpful to the fans.

 

I congratulate Ryan for getting anyone to take Carroll, and for getting whatever he can. Good business move, we'll find out later if it was a good move for fans or not.

[ThePuck]

It can be a good trade for the Twins (money saving, maybe even getting cash), while still being a bad trade for the fans (better they put in money, and get a lotter ticket of a minor leaguer). It does the fans no good for the team to have more cash, unless the team spends it. So, ya, it can be a good trade for the team, but not helpful to the fans.

 

I congratulate Ryan for getting anyone to take Carroll, and for getting whatever he can. Good business move, we'll find out later if it was a good move for fans or not.

 

I had the same reaction when Kubel and Cuddyer left and Willingham and Doumit were signed. They did well for us last year and people were talking about how savvy it was for Ryan to do that since we saved a bunch of money by the switch out. Problem is, that saved money, isn't being put back into the team payroll. As far as I'm concerned, the 'saved money' part of the argument is, therefore, negated. If they aren't going to use the saved money to make the roster better, why do we care the money was saved? Why is it a big deal to us?