Oh, Blue Tsunami, Baby!

[Squirrel]

Let it wash all over us! Cleanse the scourge that has infiltrated!

[Craig Arko]

Still gotta make it to January.

[TheLeviathan]

[Permanent Twins Fan]

Can we please get political stuff off of Twins Daily. It's not needed and has nothing to do with the Twins or sports in general. 

[nicksaviking]

28 minutes ago, Permanent Twins Fan said:

Can we please get political stuff off of Twins Daily. It's not needed and has nothing to do with the Twins or sports in general. 

This is the Sports Bar, the expectations are a bit more relaxed here because it is NOT essential baseball talk. Personal attacks and spreading hate and intolerance aren't allowed, but if people want to celebrate what is hopefully the beginning of the end of some of one of the darkest times in our country's history, that's fine. Obviously as you object to the thread, I understand you likely don't agree with that. That's OK, I guess. But again, we don't consider the Sports Bar required reading material.

[Craig Arko]

12 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

This is the Sports Bar, the expectations are a bit more relaxed here because it is NOT essential baseball talk. Personal attacks and spreading hate and intolerance aren't allowed, but if people want to celebrate what is hopefully the beginning of the end of some of one of the darkest times in our country's history, that's fine. Obviously as you object to the thread, I understand you likely don't agree with that. That's OK, I guess. But again, we don't consider the Sports Bar required reading material.

Honestly, I don’t think anything here is on the syllabus. 

[TheLeviathan]

2 hours ago, Permanent Twins Fan said:

Can we please get political stuff off of Twins Daily. It's not needed and has nothing to do with the Twins or sports in general. 

Here in the bar we shoot the breeze on all of life's goings-on.  From the death of the great Jean-Luc Picard to monumental a$$ kickings to the Republican party.   

[Craig Arko]

2 hours ago, Permanent Twins Fan said:

Can we please get political stuff off of Twins Daily. It's not needed and has nothing to do with the Twins or sports in general. 

Make you a deal. You get religion out of sports and I’ll consider it.

[Permanent Twins Fan]

1 minute ago, Craig Arko said:

Make you a deal. You get religion out of sports and I’ll consider it.

Huh? 

[Craig Arko]

8 minutes ago, Permanent Twins Fan said:

Huh? 

Points for brevity. 

[Permanent Twins Fan]

5 hours ago, Craig Arko said:

Points for brevity. 

No, I'm actually curious what you mean by that. What aspects of sports do you see religion playing into?

[TheLeviathan]

Can I add getting mindless patriotism out of sports too?  Like...I love America.  It's a pretty swell place, but do we need to be hit over the head with it while I'm watching baseball?

National Anthem?  Sure, the Olympics makes sense.  National pride.  Got it.  A random November game between the Wild and Sharks?  Why?

I'll happily cheer for a vet during the sixth inning but do I need to sit through John Denver this many times in my life?

[Parfigliano]

36 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

Can I add getting mindless patriotism out of sports too?  Like...I love America.  It's a pretty swell place, but do we need to be hit over the head with it while I'm watching baseball?

National Anthem?  Sure, the Olympics makes sense.  National pride.  Got it.  A random November game between the Wild and Sharks?  Why?

I'll happily cheer for a vet during the sixth inning but do I need to sit through John Denver this many times in my life?

John Denver once is too much.

[TheLeviathan]

9 hours ago, Parfigliano said:

John Denver once is too much.

Well said.

I do love spending lots of my tax dollars on "Big jets go "woosh"...'Murica" before games too.  

[Craig Arko]

11 hours ago, Permanent Twins Fan said:

No, I'm actually curious what you mean by that. What aspects of sports do you see religion playing into?

This is not a short answer question. I will offer you a list of those better qualified to answer than I am. If this feels like a cop out, after 69 years on this planet I’ve lost my taste for educating. Mea culpa.

Religion in sports

[Vanimal46]

If it was a red wave the person who started that thread would be issued a warning point and post deleted, right? No political posts is the correct answer here always. 

[Squirrel]

7 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

If it was a red wave the person who started that thread would be issued a warning point and post deleted, right? No political posts is the correct answer here always. 

If you don’t like something, move on. Part of the posting was an experiment to see if we could manage it again.

Since we don’t have a private area any longer for political discussion and people have mostly been avoiding the name calling and disrespect, present company excepted, thought we’d give it a try. But as soon as anyone starts in with the name calling, it will get hidden. I always have hope people can be adults.

[Vanimal46]

10 hours ago, Squirrel said:

If you don’t like something, move on. Part of the posting was an experiment to see if we could manage it again.

Since we don’t have a private area any longer for political discussion and people have mostly been avoiding the name calling and disrespect, present company excepted, thought we’d give it a try. But as soon as anyone starts in with the name calling, it will get hidden. I always have hope people can be adults.

It's not about whether I "like something". It's fairness in moderation. There's plenty of places to post political opinions all over the internet. 

[Craig Arko]

11 hours ago, Squirrel said:

 I always have hope people can be adults.

There are days that I wished I shared your optimism. What the kids don’t understand is that Minnesota won the championship that actually matters.

[Squirrel]

2 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

It's not about whether I "like something". It's fairness in moderation. There's plenty of places to post political opinions all over the internet. 

This is the sports bar, where a wide range of topics exist. There are plenty of places across the internet to post about gardening, too, yet you post about it here. At one time, several years back, we removed all political discussion from this forum because it got too rancorous and difficult to moderate. We had a ‘private club’ where we moved political talk to, but it went unused.

Fairness in moderation  … we DO remove all political posts in the Twins forums, from both sides; at least I do, when I see them. Usually they get reported. And some of those have been pointed, others not; it varies depending on the level of disrespect. People always perceive a bias when it’s their post(s) removed, yet they don’t realize what else we’ve removed and who else we’ve pointed. But some things will never be handled, by your perception, evenly, and that’s spelled out in the comments policy. Racism, misogyny, targeted language, to name a few. But you know all of this.

As I said, I wanted to see if we could handle it again. If not, it will go away. But, if you don’t like it, just don’t click in.

[nicksaviking]

3 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

It's not about whether I "like something". It's fairness in moderation. There's plenty of places to post political opinions all over the internet. 

We're not restricting GOP focused posts in this forum, what we do restrict is providing platforms for intolerance, dismissing assault and violence and spreading dis-information. 

And without trying to be too flippant or snarky, that's pretty difficult to do for GOP focused posts. 

[nicksaviking]

On 11/7/2026 at 10:21 PM, TheLeviathan said:

Can I add getting mindless patriotism out of sports too?  Like...I love America.  It's a pretty swell place, but do we need to be hit over the head with it while I'm watching baseball?

National Anthem?  Sure, the Olympics makes sense.  National pride.  Got it.  A random November game between the Wild and Sharks?  Why?

I'll happily cheer for a vet during the sixth inning but do I need to sit through John Denver this many times in my life?

Ha, I just watched the Jimi Hendrix wanna-be National Anthem guitar solo before the Vikings game and had to come looking for his.

I'm a classic rock, where-did-all-the-guitars-go in modern music kind of guy, but yowch, that one was a tough listen.

[Permanent Twins Fan]

12 hours ago, Craig Arko said:

There are days that I wished I shared your optimism. What the kids don’t understand is that Minnesota won the championship that actually matters.

Big Lynx Fan?

[Craig Arko]

8 hours ago, Permanent Twins Fan said:

Big Lynx Fan?

No, I’m 5’9.

I am quite a fan of the Constitution, though.

[strumdatjag]

Any conservative argument is viewed as racist or intolerant.  Bring on the DSA and the future workers’ paradise.  It is currently on display in France if you want to look in the American crystal ball.   But first, beam me up. 

[Permanent Twins Fan]

14 hours ago, Craig Arko said:

No, I’m 5’9.

I am quite a fan of the Constitution, though.

What a coincidence. Me Too. (Fan of constituion, that is, I got you by a whole inch in height.)

[TheLeviathan]

4 hours ago, strumdatjag said:

Any conservative argument is viewed as racist or intolerant.  Bring on the DSA and the future workers’ paradise.  It is currently on display in France if you want to look in the American crystal ball.   But first, beam me up. 

If it makes you feel any better, I don't find this argument either of those things.  Misinformed?  yes.  Racist or intolerant?  Not in this case.

So there you go, not "any" argument!  :)

[strumdatjag]

6 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

If it makes you feel any better, I don't find this argument either of those things.  Misinformed?  yes.  Racist or intolerant?  Not in this case.

So there you go, not "any" argument!  :)

I’m glad you are able to see the current mayhem in Europe as prologue to the same thing in the USA.  It’s a scary future of a government that gives more without the money to fund it nor the economic growth needed to even possibly get out from under the resulting mountain debt. 

[TheLeviathan]

12 minutes ago, strumdatjag said:

I’m glad you are able to see the current mayhem in Europe as prologue to the same thing in the USA.  It’s a scary future of a government that gives more without the money to fund it nor the economic growth needed to even possibly get out from under the resulting mountain debt. 

There are some similarities, but I don't know if a full-blown discussion here is warranted or not.  I'll be brief, but perhaps there are better sections to have a more complete conversation:

I agree that our debt is problematic.  It's also not surprising considering we have continually cut revenues over the last 25 years while spending has increased as expected relative to GDP.  The dogma that we can cut taxes and thus grow our way out of it the cost of cutting those revenues has always been a lie.  (mostly a lie at least)  I'm a capitalist, but the modern version of capitalism (which Europe is also battling, though with better social safeguards in place) is deeply problematic.  Call me old-fasioned but I don't think shareholders should hold greater economic priority over workers.  The beauty of capitalism is the wealth it generates to then take care of the people in that society so that they can survive, thrive, take risks, and live the American Dream.  Instead we've reduced capitalism to how profitable shareholders feel with workers frequently bearing the burden of making sure those in their golden palaces maintain their power and wealth.  That same mentality (mostly under the guise of deregulation) has crippled competition throughout the market and lead to so much monopolization in our economy.

So..yes, there are worrisome signs.  I only hope they are worrisome enough for our friends on the right to realize they've been sold a bag of goods for decades and the chickens are coming home to roost.  Not to late to wake up and help vote those responsible out of power.

[strumdatjag]

2 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

There are some similarities, but I don't know if a full-blown discussion here is warranted or not.  I'll be brief, but perhaps there are better sections to have a more complete conversation:

I agree that our debt is problematic.  It's also not surprising considering we have continually cut revenues over the last 25 years while spending has increased as expected relative to GDP.  The dogma that we can cut taxes and thus grow our way out of it the cost of cutting those revenues has always been a lie.  (mostly a lie at least)  I'm a capitalist, but the modern version of capitalism (which Europe is also battling, though with better social safeguards in place) is deeply problematic.  Call me old-fasioned but I don't think shareholders should hold greater economic priority over workers.  The beauty of capitalism is the wealth it generates to then take care of the people in that society so that they can survive, thrive, take risks, and live the American Dream.  Instead we've reduced capitalism to how profitable shareholders feel with workers frequently bearing the burden of making sure those in their golden palaces maintain their power and wealth.  That same mentality (mostly under the guise of deregulation) has crippled competition throughout the market and lead to so much monopolization in our economy.

So..yes, there are worrisome signs.  I only hope they are worrisome enough for our friends on the right to realize they've been sold a bag of goods for decades and the chickens are coming home to roost.  Not to late to wake up and help vote those responsible out of power.

Really, this part of TD supposed to be about Sports.   But since that wall was broken, I thought I’d post a conservative political response to see how long it took for the “wrong” point of view to be censored here.