Twins 5, White Sox 3: The Twins Experience Wins a Shocker in Chicago

[JD-TWINS]

34 minutes ago, saviking said:

So, is it just me or do the Twins bats go quite everytime Ryan pitches, especially the first 6 innings making it impossible for Ryan to win games. 

Yes - eye test tells one that w/o looking up stats. My thought is he may be paired v. other Team’s best pitcher or at least Top 2 pitcher ….,., certainly has an effect on runs scored. It’s unfortunate as Joe has been very, very solid.

Ober may win 15-18 games with current success rate. Opposition pitcher matters……,    ”good fortune” comes into play as well.

Are Outman & Caratini in the line-up …… that matters also.

[The Great Hambino]

2 hours ago, UK Twin said:

We're inconsistent but we don't have much trouble scoring runs - we're second in the AL in runs scored!

First of all, this says as much or more about the pit of mediocrity that is the American League as it does anything else - they fall all the way to 10th in runs per game when looking at MLB as a whole

Second of all, even that level of run scoring is interesting given that they're about as average an offense as you can have

Twins slash: .238/.322/.386/.708

MLB avg slash: .240/.318/.389/.707

Twins 1B/2B/3B/HR/Total Hits: 288/85/7/58/438

MLB avg 1B/2B/3B/HR/Total Hits: 288/86/7/58/439

If this is messy to read, this means they are one double shy of exactly matching the league-average hit output by type, and are within 4 points of league average for every slash stat.  They couldn't look like a more average offense if they tried, yet they're producing runs in the upper third of the league.  

Why is this?  As best I can tell, they're outhitting league average in terms of OPS by a pretty decent margin (.795 vs .734) with RISP. 

Is that something they can sustain over a full season?  I have my doubts.  Do they even need to if the AL continues to have more playoff spots than playoff-worthy teams?  I don't know - you'd have to think that someone from the Mariners/Blue Jays/Astros/Orioles/Rangers basket of underachievers will right the ship at some point - and that doesn't even include the biggest disappointments in Boston and Detroit

When Tommy P insisted on competitiveness without any competitive actions being taken, I hadn't considered the possibility of the rest of the league sinking to their level.  I guess it counts!

 

 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

3 hours ago, UK Twin said:

We're inconsistent but we don't have much trouble scoring runs - we're second in the AL in runs scored!

We'd be first in scoring runs in the AL if we had a Right Fielder who could hit. Leave Martin in RF, release Outman and bring up Mendez or Gonzales.

[LewFordLives]

1 hour ago, hitterscount said:

You had me until Wallner was thrown into the mix....at least Outman can field, other than that he's pretty much an automatic out.

Fair enough.

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, The Great Hambino said:

First of all, this says as much or more about the pit of mediocrity that is the American League as it does anything else - they fall all the way to 10th in runs per game when looking at MLB as a whole

Second of all, even that level of run scoring is interesting given that they're about as average an offense as you can have

Twins slash: .238/.322/.386/.708

MLB avg slash: .240/.318/.389/.707

Twins 1B/2B/3B/HR/Total Hits: 288/85/7/58/438

MLB avg 1B/2B/3B/HR/Total Hits: 288/86/7/58/439

If this is messy to read, this means they are one double shy of exactly matching the league-average hit output by type, and are within 4 points of league average for every slash stat.  They couldn't look like a more average offense if they tried, yet they're producing runs in the upper third of the league.  

Why is this?  As best I can tell, they're outhitting league average in terms of OPS by a pretty decent margin (.795 vs .734) with RISP. 

Is that something they can sustain over a full season?  I have my doubts.  Do they even need to if the AL continues to have more playoff spots than playoff-worthy teams?  I don't know - you'd have to think that someone from the Mariners/Blue Jays/Astros/Orioles/Rangers basket of underachievers will right the ship at some point - and that doesn't even include the biggest disappointments in Boston and Detroit

When Tommy P insisted on competitiveness without any competitive actions being taken, I hadn't considered the possibility of the rest of the league sinking to their level.  I guess it counts!

 

 

There’s no guarantees in sports/baseball but I would have to suggest, relative to maintaining level of offense or improving, that without Lewis and Wallner hanging around the line-up with the effect of an anvil, they have a good shot!

Just as the PEN has improved by displacing non-performers ……… the slow & average production from a combination of guys like Kreidler - Gray - Arcia ……….. along with a shot in the arm from ONE or TWO young players at some point, has me hopeful for the remainder of the season.