Marlins 9, Twins 5: The Twins Offense Wasn't Enough to Overcome the Bad Pitching

[Milwaukee-Jeff]

43 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

I believe I said that.

Roden is injured, Rodriguez hasn't played in 2 weeks, Jenkins is on the IL, Gonzalez has struggled, Mendez just got promoted, so really the only option would be Fedko...who isn't on the 40-man. That's why we're still riding with Wallner for sure. Lewis is probably has more to do with managing the player and the psychology of it; it's easy for someone to sit at the keyboard and say "demote him! who cares what he thinks? Who care what any of the players think!" but Twins management has to actually live in the world.

SWR would likely be in the bullpen if they hadn't already lost Abel and Bradley, or if Festa wasn't slow in his recovery, but with those guys unavailable we're already trying to fill a spot with Morris/Adams/Rojas piggybacking and praying Priellipp doesn't get hurt...even if Zebby gets called up SWR probably doesn't head to the bullpen until Bradley is back on the field.

Oof.

I looked at the Saints roster and stats for alternatives to Wallner. What about Fedko in the OF? And Rodriguez should be cleared to play again soon so he should be given a shot.

[miller761]

Appreciate that Shelton and Zoll are starting to make moves. Even if we are going anywhere right now we are still in it

[karcherd]

4 minutes ago, miller761 said:

Appreciate that Shelton and Zoll are starting to make moves. Even if we are going anywhere right now we are still in it

Making moves for the sake of making moves isn't a good thing.  Bringing up Kreidler and sending Adams down doesn't help the team in the present or the future.  Make strategic moves to help the team now with an eye on the future, those are the moves that should be made.

[Jeff K]

58 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

I believe I said that.

Roden is injured, Rodriguez hasn't played in 2 weeks, Jenkins is on the IL, Gonzalez has struggled, Mendez just got promoted, so really the only option would be Fedko...who isn't on the 40-man. That's why we're still riding with Wallner for sure. Lewis is probably has more to do with managing the player and the psychology of it; it's easy for someone to sit at the keyboard and say "demote him! who cares what he thinks? Who care what any of the players think!" but Twins management has to actually live in the world.

SWR would likely be in the bullpen if they hadn't already lost Abel and Bradley, or if Festa wasn't slow in his recovery, but with those guys unavailable we're already trying to fill a spot with Morris/Adams/Rojas piggybacking and praying Priellipp doesn't get hurt...even if Zebby gets called up SWR probably doesn't head to the bullpen until Bradley is back on the field.

Oof.

I must have read too quickly regarding the outfielders.  I do agree that Lewis needs to be managed carefully if there is any hope of him contributing for the Twins now, or in the future.  Someone mentioned sending him to Ft. Myers which might not be a bad idea as it could feel less like a demotion and more like an opportunity to work on things.  SWR is just a huge question mark as moving to the bullpen might not help him or the team.  Perhaps a tired arm injury followed by rehab with St. Paul. 

[jmlease1]

26 minutes ago, Milwaukee-Jeff said:

I looked at the Saints roster and stats for alternatives to Wallner. What about Fedko in the OF? And Rodriguez should be cleared to play again soon so he should be given a shot.

I think the fact that he's not on the 40-man is a small barrier to Fedko getting a shot, especially since he's not seen as being as much of a prospect. It's sort of the Sabato problem. In order to bring him up to MLB they'd have to kick someone off the 40-man, which exposes them to waivers. Now, YMMV on how significant an issue that should be, but it's probably keeping Fedko from easily getting a shot. And while I agree on Rodriguez, I'm sure they're going to want him to get some AAA games in again to show he's ok and swinging the bat well first; it would be unusual for someone to go from the IL in AAA to go directly to the active MLB roster...

But it's getting late early for Wallner and Lewis IMHO. And I've backed them both; I really thought Wallner in particular would have a bounce back season, and it just hasn't happened. Maybe it's they figured him out, maybe the previous seasons were more of a mirage than the stats showed, maybe having to face all those LHP early in the season screwed him up...but whatever it is, he's a mess now and showing no signs of pulling out of it.

I think it's more complicated with Lewis (and he can still be useful in ways that Wallner can't) but if he's not in the same boat quite yet then he's bought a ticket, put on the life vest, and is checking out the seating...

[LambchoP]

I think SWR has only kept his rotation spot because of all the injuries in the rotation. Once Bradley and Abel are back, I imagine SWR will go on the IL for awhile. He'll get a few starts on his return to see if he can find something, if not, it'll be the pen for the rest of the year.

[laloesch]

4 hours ago, LambchoP said:

I think SWR has only kept his rotation spot because of all the injuries in the rotation. Once Bradley and Abel are back, I imagine SWR will go on the IL for awhile. He'll get a few starts on his return to see if he can find something, if not, it'll be the pen for the rest of the year.

Hopefully Matthews pitches well and forces that decision.  I'm not holding my breath that this will happen, but SWR has been atrocious this season.