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10 hours ago, DocBauer said:

With all due respect to all other position player prospects currently within the Twins system, Jenkins and Rodriguez are the two that have actual, All Star, 4 WAR type of potential. And that's the reason he's never been traded for additional/other talent to this point.

A few months ago, I changed my line of thinking concerning the handling of Rodriguez. Some were calling for him to be moved up and given a spot ASAP. I argued against that, giving him a little more time to settle in at AAA first. I then changed my mind due to a disappointing 2025, and various arguements about the direction the Twins should be taking. I looked at the way the Brewers handled Chourio, promoting him quickly, living with mistakes and some bad performances, but then figuring it out and taking off. (NOTE: I'm NOT saying Rodriguez is Chourio).

Considering talent and projection, I've argued if he had a good winter...which he did...and had a strong ST...and he's off to a good start...then run with him. Since he's only got 1 option left, I'd rather see him earlier rather than later, to see what MLB is like, and then send him down earlier rather than later for a re-set IF needed.

That's not going to happen for 3 reasons:

1] Despite performing well and putting up good numbers EVERYWHERE he's played, when healthy, I can still see being patient with him and giving him a greater dose of AAA experience to "ready him up".

2] Good, bad, right or wrong, the Twins still have Larnach on the team, along with Outman (groan), and Roden. If nothing else beyond a poorly constructed roster, they might want to give Roden an opportunity to see what he can do to open 2026.

3] The truth is a little more MILB time shouldn't hurt his development, and it will also offer up an additional year of service time.

What really impressed me about his interview is not just the hard work he's put in, but that he seems to have a real and mature GRASP of his failings, even though he's a TOP prospect, to RECOGNIZE clearly what he has to work on.

A] Build up his body to hopefully avoid injury.

B] Not just recognize that every level sees pitchers with better control, but that his previous patient approach will need to be adjusted and instead or ALWAYS working the count to his favor, he might have to swing earlier at better strike zone offerings.

IMO, that's a pretty smart kid who clearly recognizes what he needs to be working on.

We often debate the FLOOR and the CEILING of a prospect. Interesting that we don't have a useful term for middle ground. Maybe 2nd floor? Lol

Like ALL prospects, Rodriguez could wash out. (I don't believe that will happen). But there is a world in which he only HITS at a .230-ish level, with a decent OB% around .320, but can hit 20-30 HR, not to mention 30+ DBls, and steal double digit bases, while providing quality defense anywhere in the OF.

That's a hell of a ballplayer!

But there's also the potential...probably not over night...where he finds the balance of patience and aggression to be a .250-.260 HITTER with an OB% closer to .350 with all that power and speed and defense to be a legitimate All Star difference maker.

I'm excited to watch him, even though I'm not expecting a ROCKET RIDE to outstanding production from DAY ONE. Same with Jenkins. But BOTH are going to debut this season. BOTH can make a real difference in 2026 and beyond...no pressure, lol. 

2026 is not a "now or never" prospect. It just means he had a single option left. MAYBE when he gets the call he's ready to stick around despite a few bumps in the road. MAYBE he comes up, displays his talent, but needs a short re-set at AAA to take what he's seen and get ready for his next call up.

His lack of options is only due to being such a talented young kid that if the Twins DIDN'T protect him a couple years ago, another team would grabbed him in a minute, stashed him on their roster, and then put him back in MILB and control him for a couple years to develop in THEIR system. 

IF the Twins are smart, they will still find a trade of Larnach for SOMETHING. And that's not because Larnach is a bad ballplayer. He has value, just not with the 2026 Twins team. Outman will be OUT because he has no FUTURE VALUE to the Twins AT ALL! 

To begin the season, Wallner is in RF. Buck is OBVIOUSLY the CF. Martin and Roden play in LF, can cover CF when Buxton, needs a day off. Your 1B situation is still somewhat dysfunctional, IMO, depending on Clemens, Wagaman, and Caratini to assemble a puzzle of production to keep Bell at DH as much as possible.

But it's so obvious how Larnach just doesn't FIT with this roster, and the best options.

I guess you run with your 1B options as is for 2026, despite my previous objections. But WHY IN HELL would you base the 2026 roster on EGO rather than talent, and future production?

Rodriguez, Jenkins, and Gonzalez are ONLY blocked if Zoll is a Falvey clone.

Outman is out come final cuts. MAYBE he signs with the Saints. Larnach needs to be gone. Roden and Martin start the season as part of the OF with better defense, more speed, and Roden at least provides some POP potential. 

Suddenly, there is a better defensive LF, with CF/RF options on the roster, but ZERO blocking of a better player like Rodriguez. Martin and Roden get a month or so to show what they can do, and do they have a future in a Twins uniform. 

Rodriguez is already knocking on the door. Is the FO listening?

 

100%

Posted
10 hours ago, Old Twins Hat said:

This website has been harsh on a lot of Twins' prospects for the last number of years.

Why call this a fan site if the actual product is about speculating on failure of prospects, the management, coaches, pretty much the whole organization?  I don't want to read about failure, or even put that out there as a possibility.

Emmanuel Rodriguez is a player.  Let him play. 

The author seems to want to judge and toss him in the trash before he turns 23 -- WTF?  Let him play the game he loves and try to prove himself.

I call him E.R. and I hope he brings emergency relief to the Twins on the field.

I agree, kind of deflating coming on here at times.  I come here to maybe learn something that I might not be aware of.  But over the past year it’s just turned into trying to offer a brighter outlook and to try and stick up for our prospects. Seems like they get kicked and degraded constantly before the age of 23 or even reach the majors.  I am on a Twins fan sight because I am a Twins fan.  If I wanted non stop extreme pessimistic takes, I’d just watch the news.  To many people twisting numbers,ages, and data to fit a narrative.  I don’t need someone every day telling me how rough of shape the team is in.  I have my own 2 eyes,  

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It's always entertaining to see how the TD Hype Machine spins the fans up on this site. It's not that I want Emma to wash out, I just don't see the production and the skills which should be there by now.

ZERO. That's how many international prospects signed before age 18 who have debuted at age 24+ and gone on to be significant contributors in the past 5 years.

This IS a make or break year for Emma. He either forces his way onto the roster or he can pretty much be written off. If he makes the roster and doesn't do well, there's still a glimmer of hope, but it's not bright. If he can't even make the roster, it's over.

Posted
9 hours ago, JADBP said:

Years and years...starting out at age 16!  He is still 22 years old.  There is nothing make or break about this.  If he is still learning at the end of the year, the Twins will just lock him in at a low ball salary level.  Sure, there is plenty of natural talent, and yeah, more learning to do at age 22.  Jeez, give him a break already.  Twins traded Julien at nearly age 26.  

NO. If he doesn't have the skills in his 8th year under contract, it's not coming.

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Posted

Defense might be what gets Emmanuel Rodriguez onto the roster. He is in basically the same situation Max Kepler was in 2016. If he can play defense like Kepler, then he'll stick around.

Rodriguez was better than Outman at AAA last season. There is every reason to believe he's better than Outman right now.

Posted
13 hours ago, Old Twins Hat said:

This website has been harsh on a lot of Twins' prospects for the last number of years.

Why call this a fan site if the actual product is about speculating on failure of prospects, the management, coaches, pretty much the whole organization?  I don't want to read about failure, or even put that out there as a possibility.

Given what the majority of prospects that have come out of the Falvey era has churned out, being harsh is warranted. Most prospects fail in general, if that can't be put out as "even a possibility", then it's probably time to stop reading about prospects.

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22 hours ago, bean5302 said:

If he's not good enough to make an MLB roster, he's not good enough. He's 23 in 4 days. He's a professional baseball player under contract for his 8th year in the Twins' system now. As an international prospect, he's getting OLD for never having seen a game in the big show. Top International prospects who have significant careers debut before 23. Polanco was 20. Kepler and Sano were 22. Guys like Acuna, Julio Rodriguez, Chourio, etc, often debut by age 20-21.

 

You lost me at "Polanco debuted at 20"

It's one of those "I'm going to say it because I can point to it being factually true and it helps my argument" statements. It's the kind of thing people do when they are worried their argument is weak. You add some fluff that is technically true, but with any sort of context, isn't really true.

Polanco's MLB debut was in June of 2014, 10 days before his 21st birthday (called up from from high A) because he was on the 40-man roster and the Twins had an injury crunch. He was up for one road trip (5 games and 8 PA) and then was sent back to the minors. A similar thing happened in 2015 (4 games and 12 PA).

For all intents and purposes, Polanco debuted in April of 2016, at age 22. He got 30 plate appearances before being send back down to AAA, then he got called up for good at the trade deadline that same year, at age 23. 

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2 hours ago, DJL44 said:

Defense might be what gets Emmanuel Rodriguez onto the roster. He is in basically the same situation Max Kepler was in 2016. If he can play defense like Kepler, then he'll stick around.

Rodriguez was better than Outman at AAA last season. There is every reason to believe he's better than Outman right now.

I think this is an important point. EmRod has a hitting profile like Julien which is scary to me. One huge difference is EmRod offers defense and speed which is going to give him some latitude if he struggles with the bat. The option situation is kind of unfortunate as the Twins will have to make a decision on him sooner as opposed to later. Let’s hope the decision is obvious. 

Posted
2 hours ago, amjgt said:

You lost me at "Polanco debuted at 20"

It's one of those "I'm going to say it because I can point to it being factually true and it helps my argument" statements. It's the kind of thing people do when they are worried their argument is weak. You add some fluff that is technically true, but with any sort of context, isn't really true.

Polanco's MLB debut was in June of 2014, 10 days before his 21st birthday (called up from from high A) because he was on the 40-man roster and the Twins had an injury crunch. He was up for one road trip (5 games and 8 PA) and then was sent back to the minors. A similar thing happened in 2015 (4 games and 12 PA).

For all intents and purposes, Polanco debuted in April of 2016, at age 22. He got 30 plate appearances before being send back down to AAA, then he got called up for good at the trade deadline that same year, at age 23. 

I used age 20 season as defined by BaseballReference.com. I'm sorry I had the equivalent of a grammatical error in my thesis based on your personal opinion of grammar style which should be used.

Even if we used your "he actually didn't debut until age 23" as a moving goalpost in desperation to help Emma's case, my point remains. This is a make or break year for Emma, who will be in his age 23 season this year. I looked back through the previous 5 years and identified zero players who fell into Emma's bucket (international free agents signed prior to age 18) who have generated consistent value worth a starting position in MLB when they didn't debut before age 24.

Feel free to look back 100 years. 

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