Minnesota Twins 2nd Round Pick RHP Ryan Eades

[Vervehound]

Verve just finds topics about young strapping young men that are young. Its like an unexplained force that makes magnets stick to the fridge.

 

my last harmless attempt at homoerotic humour was deleted so i'm going to have to keep my "scouting reports" to myself.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Law and everyone else have said Stewart is 100% lock to sign, he was the #4 pick and will get #4 money (or close to it) there is no way in hell he (or his agent) will let him turn that down. You make significantly more money in baseball then football anyways (ntm his odds of getting drafted in the NFL are so small and far away at this point).

 

He is signing.

 

Oh, I never said I didn't think he would sign. Every expert seems to think he's incredibly signable... I'm only questioning whether it will take a little extra juice to get him to do it.

[DaveW]

Pick #46- Gallardo, Jimmy Rollins, Scott Rolen.

#47- Albert Belle, Tom Glavine, John Candelaria

#48 - Cal Ripken, Sid Breem, Kelly Shoppach

49- Chris Tilman, Carlos Beltran, Jeff Suppan, Tim Burke, Derek Bell, Carney Lansford, Len Barker

 

Plenty of good to great players come out of these picks...

[DaveW]

#50- Matt Lecroy!!!!, Seth Smith, Adam Dunn, Brian Roberts, Al Leiter, Bo Jackson, Dennis Eckersley

51- Barry Larkin

52- Ryan Sweeney, Carl Crawford,

53rd- Gary Carter, Steve Bedrosian, Sean Casey.

[Vervehound]

Lol I love all the draft experts in this thread. Who cares that he doesn't project to be an ace, it's the 2nd round not the first.... If Stewart makes the bigs and this dude becomes a middle

Of the rotation arm then the Twins by far had an amazing draft. At least it's not another college RP and a guy who could be a starter (which last time I checked the twins lacked period!!)

 

you're the voice of reason, dave. never thought i'd say that. but yeah, i think the crazies are unaware of the value of a mid-rotation starter, of which we currently have none. for all those upset with the eades pick, it's probably a good idea to point out that gibson is projected by most to be exactly that and scott baker fit that mold to a tee. if we had a rotation of true mid-rotation guys, we'd be competitive this year.

 

what is a formula for disappearing in the first round of the playoffs, however, is to have no frontline starters. the org seems to be actively seeking out power arms for the first time i can recall and complementing the rare rare talent with a solid arm like eades makes sense. not to mention one glaring thing: stewart's price. law and crawford both assumed he'd go above slot. if that's the case and we shell out $5million at no. 4, that means we're going to get less sexy at other spots.

[DaveW]

54- Randy Wolf, JD Durbin!, Scott Sanderson, Brett Tomko, Tommy Hunter

55- Brett Anderson, Todd Helton, Todd Zeile, Bert Blyleven

 

i.e. If Eades became Randy Wolf I don't think anyone would be complaining, no? Heck I bet Bert Blyleven had some "questions" about his ceiling coming out in the draft as well!

 

Nah, the Twins should just be using this picks to grab H.S kids who prob wont sign (or will cost us the rest of our budget)

[Vervehound]

Meh, whatever, it's true, people that make up garbage just to support their bizzare "lets bash on everything the twins do" are a big reason why a lot of people don't visit the forum as much these days. It's much more harmful to the community then one general "name calling"

 

i miss the name calling of yore.

[DaveW]

you're the voice of reason, dave. never thought i'd say that. but yeah, i think the crazies are unaware of the value of a mid-rotation starter, of which we currently have none. for all those upset with the eades pick, it's probably a good idea to point out that gibson is projected by most to be exactly that and scott baker fit that mold to a tee. if we had a rotation of true mid-rotation guys, we'd be competitive this year.

 

what is a formula for disappearing in the first round of the playoffs, however, is to have no frontline starters. the org seems to be actively seeking out power arms for the first time i can recall and complementing the rare rare talent with a solid arm like eades makes sense. not to mention one glaring thing: stewart's price. law and crawford both assumed he'd go above slot. if that's the case and we shell out $5million at no. 4, that means we're going to get less sexy at other spots.

 

I just don't see why Stewart would go over slot? He was drafted right around where he was supposed to go (most had him as the #5-#7 best overall) and he doesn't have the leverage a guy like Crowe or Appel have had (ntm no Boras) either way though, he isn't going to go under slot which means the Twins don't have the cash needed to make some huge splash here in round two. If they would have went with McGuire (under slot) in round one and then picked a high upside H.S in round 2 people would have been going completely nuts, so its one of those can't win situations with some folks I guess.

 

I agree on the playoffs and the Twins certainly need front line starters, however with the draft of Stewart, Berrios and the trade for Meyer the Twins have at least given themselves three guys who could potential become that. Not to get to off topic, but I would like to see them take a run at a Lincecum or Josh Johnson this off-season as well, obviously they aren't "sure thing Ace's" at this point in their careers, but you won't have to give 6 years 100+ mil to get them as you would any of the "sure fire Ace's"

 

Oh, the other thing is the Twins have been much more aggressive in the international market over the past few years, THOSE guys are the high risk, high reward, unlimited ceiling guys that they will most likely throw into the mix as well.

[nicksaviking]

Oh, I never said I didn't think he would sign. Every expert seems to think he's incredibly signable... I'm only questioning whether it will take a little extra juice to get him to do it.

 

Maybe but sounds like he and his family are already throwing his leverage out the window. His dad told the local paper last night:

 

“He’s going to go (with the Twins),” Mark Stewart said. “You don’t get drafted fourth and not go. It’s a once in a lifetime offer. He looked at me when they made the call and said, ‘Dad, I’m going to accept the (Twins’) offer.’ He’s made the decision, and he will talk to (A&M coach Kevin Sumlin).”

 

Ultimate Astros » Kohl Stewart to bypass A&M after being drafted No. 4 by Twins

 

Stewart also Tweeted to Eades, "good luck in the CWS" and he can't wait to be teammates with him.

[Vervehound]

I just don't see why Stewart would go over slot? He was drafted right around where he was supposed to go (most had him as the #5-#7 best overall) and he doesn't have the leverage a guy like Crowe or Appel have had (ntm no Boras) either way though, he isn't going to go under slot which means the Twins don't have the cash needed to make some huge splash here in round two. If they would have went with McGuire (under slot) in round one and then picked a high upside H.S in round 2 people would have been going completely nuts, so its one of those can't win situations with some folks I guess.

 

I agree on the playoffs and the Twins certainly need front line starters, however with the draft of Stewart, Berrios and the trade for Meyer the Twins have at least given themselves three guys who could potential become that. Not to get to off topic, but I would like to see them take a run at a Lincecum or Josh Johnson this off-season as well, obviously they aren't "sure thing Ace's" at this point in their careers, but you won't have to give 6 years 100+ mil to get them as you would any of the "sure fire Ace's"

 

Oh, the other thing is the Twins have been much more aggressive in the international market over the past few years, THOSE guys are the high risk, high reward, unlimited ceiling guys that they will most likely throw into the mix as well.

 

i think you'd have to agree that stewart is in a pretty enviable position, though. he's got a ton of leverage and was posturing pretty hard pre-draft, so i'm guessing that's led to the speculation that we may have to go over to get him.

 

even if we do have to go over to get him, we can still manage to build upside into the draft but it'll likely have to come later on.

[DaveW]

i think you'd have to agree that stewart is in a pretty enviable position, though. he's got a ton of leverage and was posturing pretty hard pre-draft, so i'm guessing that's led to the speculation that we may have to go over to get him.

 

even if we do have to go over to get him, we can still manage to build upside into the draft but it'll likely have to come later on.

I think the leverage is a bit over blown to be honest, he would have to wait another 3 years before entering the draft again, not just another 12 months and plenty of terrible things could happen to his stock in that time as well. Also we are talking about 4-5 mil guaranteed, not 500k-1.5 mil

 

With 4 mil you can pretty much set yourself up for life, or at least the next 20 years of your life. That has to come into factor.

 

As far as building upside, I think Eades is upside personally! This isn't a Ben Revere pick (40 picks before his ranking) Eades was picked right where he should have been picked. Serrano etc wasn't going to sign with the Twins no matter how hard some people want to believe.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Maybe but sounds like he and his family are already throwing his leverage out the window. His dad told the local paper last night:

 

“He’s going to go (with the Twins),” Mark Stewart said. “You don’t get drafted fourth and not go. It’s a once in a lifetime offer. He looked at me when they made the call and said, ‘Dad, I’m going to accept the (Twins’) offer.’ He’s made the decision, and he will talk to (A&M coach Kevin Sumlin).”

 

Ultimate Astros » Kohl Stewart to bypass A&M after being drafted No. 4 by Twins

 

Stewart also Tweeted to Eades, "good luck in the CWS" and he can't wait to be teammates with him.

 

Awesome news for the Twins.

[DaveW]

#57- Robbie Ross, John Lester, Brandon Phillips, Brandon Inge, Rupert Jones

#58- Scott Baker, Tony Gwynn, Jason Giambi, Rick Aguilera, John Castino

#59- Ryan Doumit, Roger McDowell, Dean Palmer, Brandon League,

#60- Ryan Ludwick, Bronxton, Travis Wood, Steve Garvey, Fredd Lynn, Ty Cobb,

#61- Jesse Crain (11.5 WAR), Ken Holtzman

#62-Andre Either, Brad Miller, Jeff Weaver

 

The real question is, why have the draft at all? Why not just kill it after round 1? Clearly there are no good players to be had in round 2.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I just don't see why Stewart would go over slot? He was drafted right around where he was supposed to go (most had him as the #5-#7 best overall) and he doesn't have the leverage a guy like Crowe or Appel have had (ntm no Boras) either way though, he isn't going to go under slot which means the Twins don't have the cash needed to make some huge splash here in round two. If they would have went with McGuire (under slot) in round one and then picked a high upside H.S in round 2 people would have been going completely nuts, so its one of those can't win situations with some folks I guess.

 

I agree on the playoffs and the Twins certainly need front line starters, however with the draft of Stewart, Berrios and the trade for Meyer the Twins have at least given themselves three guys who could potential become that. Not to get to off topic, but I would like to see them take a run at a Lincecum or Josh Johnson this off-season as well, obviously they aren't "sure thing Ace's" at this point in their careers, but you won't have to give 6 years 100+ mil to get them as you would any of the "sure fire Ace's"

 

Oh, the other thing is the Twins have been much more aggressive in the international market over the past few years, THOSE guys are the high risk, high reward, unlimited ceiling guys that they will most likely throw into the mix as well.

 

Personally, I think he vastly overplayed his hand. I've gotten the impression that he's been doing everything he can to maximize his payday, but in the end I think he did too much.

 

Supposedly, Houston was talking to him yesterday. I don't know what they were offering, but they could have said 5M, which is more than he'll get with us. I suspect the Twins were talking to him to, but for 3Mish. I get the he can always go to school, but turning down a guaranteed 3M or something along those lines to sit behind a top rated QB for two years and have another one sitting behind you during your one shot isn't a wise choice.

[Miles]

Stewart also Tweeted to Eades, "good luck in the CWS" and he can't wait to be teammates with him.

 

Really liking this kid...

[Jeremy Nygaard]

Ryan Eades should be on the mound tomorrow night for LSU against Oklahoma. The game will be broadcast on ESPN at 7 pm (eastern, I would assume).

 

It will either be an elimination game for LSU or they'll be trying to punch their ticket to the CWS.

 

The scouting report on Eades, by a coach, that is featured on BA says this:

 

Eades has always had a big arm, just didn’t have the feel or pitchability, but he’s gotten a lot better. He’s 90-94, power breaking ball, solid change. He throws strikes. When we played him, I was surprised how low his walk numbers were, but then he’ll miss the glove by three or four feet occasionally. But he’s not walking as many guys, and the stuff gives him margin for error.

[launchingthrees]

#50- Matt Lecroy!!!!, Seth Smith, Adam Dunn, Brian Roberts, Al Leiter, Bo Jackson, Dennis Eckersley

51- Barry Larkin

52- Ryan Sweeney, Carl Crawford,

53rd- Gary Carter, Steve Bedrosian, Sean Casey.

 

So you "ding ding ding" a post saying this pick is full of players that never contributed then go on to name a ton of really good players to come from that spot. ok? It's hard to tell what you're arguing at this point. I'm not gonna touch the lol analysis of naming specific players to analyze the value of a pick.

 

If i remember correctly the pick is worth less than 4war lifetime. Taking a a safe player in the context of the 43rd pick is a laughable strategy. The only time to even consider taking a safe pick is when there is actually expected value to sacrifice by going risky.

[PseudoSABR]

is at best a marginal third rounder.

Both BA and Law gave him first round grades, but what do they know.

[Brock Beauchamp]

So you "ding ding ding" a post saying this pick is full of players that never contributed then go on to name a ton of really good players to come from that spot. ok? It's hard to tell what you're arguing at this point. I'm not gonna touch the lol analysis of naming specific players to analyze the value of a pick.

 

If i remember correctly the pick is worth less than 4war lifetime. Taking a a safe player in the context of the 43rd pick is a laughable strategy. The only time to even consider taking a safe pick is when there is actually expected value to sacrifice by going risky.

 

The point he's trying to make is that the second round is a crapshoot.

 

And while you argue it's a "safe pick", plenty of other MiLB experts are saying it's a pretty good pick, as they had Eades going quite a bit higher than that and others are saying that he has shown improvement in control over his past several starts. Most agree that he has pretty good stuff already.

 

The Twins have shown that they're not averse to risk-taking in the draft. They drafted Shooter Hunt. Last year, they went with Berrios and Buxton. This year, they went with Stewart at #4. There's absolutely nothing wrong with going with the guy you like, "safe pick" be damned.

 

Honestly, I don't know what some of you expect from the team. Are they supposed to pick some wildly raw obscure player with every pick in every draft? Sometimes, the guy you like is the guy who is considered "safe" by some.

 

But God forbid if that raw player flames out a la Shooter Hunt. Then it's just another sign of the front office's incompetence.

[nicksaviking]

Personally, I think he vastly overplayed his hand. I've gotten the impression that he's been doing everything he can to maximize his payday, but in the end I think he did too much.

 

I don't think he overplayed his hand, I think he played it well in fact. Remember, it was only about a month ago that Stewart became the defacto #4 BPA. We had a half dozen other names that were popping up to the Twins at #4 and Stewart was a dark horse. Stewart was originally projected in the 8-15 range below the HS OF's and college pitchers.

 

Surely he was planning to use his football scholarship as leverage had he been drafted in that range, the threat of school was probably legit. Once he became solidly a top 5 pick where the money is much higher, the signability likely became moot. If he was looking to break the bank, he likely would have picked Boras to advise him. He did not so it's possible he was just looking for fair market value as he percieved himself to be a top 5 pick.

[DaveW]

The point he's trying to make is that the second round is a crapshoot.

 

And while you argue it's a "safe pick", plenty of other MiLB experts are saying it's a pretty good pick, as they had Eades going quite a bit higher than that and others are saying that he has shown improvement in control over his past several starts. Most agree that he has pretty good stuff already.

 

The Twins have shown that they're not averse to risk-taking in the draft. They drafted Shooter Hunt. Last year, they went with Berrios and Buxton. This year, they went with Stewart at #4. There's absolutely nothing wrong with going with the guy you like, "safe pick" be damned.

 

Honestly, I don't know what some of you expect from the team. Are they supposed to pick some wildly raw obscure player with every pick in every draft? Sometimes, the guy you like is the guy who is considered "safe" by some.

 

But God forbid if that raw player flames out a la Shooter Hunt. Then it's just another sign of the front office's incompetence.

 

I just want to to hear his thoughts on who these mythical unicorn players who throw 100 MPH and can hit 40 HR that are still available at this point are.(and signable)

[launchingthrees]

The point he's trying to make is that the second round is a crapshoot.

 

And while you argue it's a "safe pick", plenty of other MiLB experts are saying it's a pretty good pick, as they had Eades going quite a bit higher than that and others are saying that he has shown improvement in control over his past several starts. Most agree that he has pretty good stuff already.

 

The Twins have shown that they're not averse to risk-taking in the draft. They drafted Shooter Hunt. Last year, they went with Berrios and Buxton. This year, they went with Stewart at #4. There's absolutely nothing wrong with going with the guy you like, "safe pick" be damned.

 

Honestly, I don't know what some of you expect from the team. Are they supposed to pick some wildly raw obscure player with every pick in every draft? Sometimes, the guy you like is the guy who is considered "safe" by some.

 

There's no way to frame a college pitcher that can't miss bats as having upside.

 

But God forbid if that raw player flames out a la Shooter Hunt. Then it's just another sign of the front office's incompetence.

 

There's no way to frame a college pitcher that can't miss bats as having upside. I have no issue with the scouting. They reached last year for J.O. who was lower than where we took him on every scouts board. I thought that represented a change in their understanding of how a draft should be conducted. I guess not.

[launchingthrees]

I just want to to hear his thoughts on who these mythical unicorn players who throw 100 MPH and can hit 40 HR that are still available at this point are.(and signable)

 

Didn't you just post quite a few really good players from that segment of the draft? Do you even know what you're arguing at this point? You seem a bit lost.

[DaveW]

The point he's trying to make is that the second round is a crapshoot.

 

And while you argue it's a "safe pick", plenty of other MiLB experts are saying it's a pretty good pick, as they had Eades going quite a bit higher than that and others are saying that he has shown improvement in control over his past several starts. Most agree that he has pretty good stuff already.

 

The Twins have shown that they're not averse to risk-taking in the draft. They drafted Shooter Hunt. Last year, they went with Berrios and Buxton. This year, they went with Stewart at #4. There's absolutely nothing wrong with going with the guy you like, "safe pick" be damned.

 

Honestly, I don't know what some of you expect from the team. Are they supposed to pick some wildly raw obscure player with every pick in every draft? Sometimes, the guy you like is the guy who is considered "safe" by some.

 

But God forbid if that raw player flames out a la Shooter Hunt. Then it's just another sign of the front office's incompetence.

 

I just want to to hear his thoughts on who these mythical unicorn players who throw 100 MPH and can hit 40 HR that are still available at this point are.(and signable)

[Vervehound]

I just want to to hear his thoughts on who these mythical unicorn players who throw 100 MPH and can hit 40 HR that are still available at this point are.(and signable)

 

democrats are in power so unicorns are no longer draftable because they're on the endangered species list.

[DaveW]

Didn't you just post quite a few really good players from that segment of the draft? Do you even know what you're arguing at this point? You seem a bit lost.

My point is Eades very well could be one of those players! Reports said he has #2 stuff, throws 3 good pitches etc.

[PseudoSABR]

I thought that represented a change in their understanding of how a draft should be conducted. I guess not.

Yeah, Eades is more demonstrative of their philosophy than Stewart, Meyer, May, Berrios, Bard, Chargois, Joneses, Melotolakis (sp?).

[Brock Beauchamp]

There's no way to frame a college pitcher that can't miss bats as having upside. I have no issue with the scouting. They reached last year for J.O. who was lower than where we took him on every scouts board. I thought that represented a change in their understanding of how a draft should be conducted. I guess not.

 

BA had him at #31, didn't they? And didn't Law have him in the 20s at some point?

 

Unless you want to argue that all of those people are wrong and that, in fact, Eades has little upside.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Yeah, Eades is more demonstrative of their philosophy than Steward, Meyers, May, Berrios, Bard, Chargois, Joneses, Melotolakis (sp?).

 

No, you don't understand. The Twins aren't reaching for raw talent with every single pick.

 

Therefore, their strategy remains the same.

[ericchri]

There's no way to frame a college pitcher that can't miss bats as having upside.

 

I've seen this numerous times already in the discussion about Eades. 77 strikeouts in 96 innings. He's not the top flamethrower in the draft obviously, but can't miss bats? That's 7.2 k/9 which seems like a solid number to me.