ThePuck Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Our offense issues start with who replaces our #1 and #2 hitters...our setup guys...
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Well, I'd argue that it all depends on how the kids play. Is Parmelee Justin's replacement? Will the real Trevor Plouffe please stand up? Most of the offensive issues revolve those two questions, in my opinion. Even still you're talking about our likely 7th and 8th hitters in the lineup. As Puck rightly points out, there is a lot of questions about the table setting as well.
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 So because the offense sucks, maybe, they should not try to get good pitching?
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 So because the offense sucks, maybe, they should not try to get good pitching? Follow the train. Brock said 2013 could be a better team. There are plenty of reasons to suspect that isn't the case, the offense included.
Karl Provisional Member Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Can't it just mean that this is the only type of pitcher that is willing to sign with the Twins? A) They have lost nearly 100 the last two seasons. Their infield and presumably their outfield defense will be unforgiveably sucky to just short of mediocre. Let's say you moved to a new state and wanted to play in a townball league. You had your choice of playing on a good team with lots of fans and good weather, or a struggling team with frustrated fans and crappy weather. Why on God's green earth would you choose the sucky team unless they WILDLY overpaid you to play. I think more than anything we can draw the conclusion that the top/mid level starters do not want to pitch on this team, for this medical staff and in front of this infield and outfield.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Well, I'd argue that it all depends on how the kids play. Is Parmelee Justin's replacement? Will the real Trevor Plouffe please stand up? Most of the offensive issues revolve those two questions, in my opinion. Even still you're talking about our likely 7th and 8th hitters in the lineup. As Puck rightly points out, there is a lot of questions about the table setting as well. Sure, but I think Parmelee and Plouffe will have more of an impact offensively. If the table setting sucks (and there's a good chance it will), then Plouffe and Parmelee will be the guys driving in Mauer, Morneau, and Willingham (aka. the guys who don't suck). A lot will depend on if those two are .700 OPS (or worse) players or .800 OPS players.
ThePuck Provisional Member Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Diamond's ERA plus last year was 115. Correia's was 88. The majority of stats are all derived from the same basic information... Each different stat will simply add or takeaway from the same basic stats. Diamonds ERA was better than Correia in 2012... So it stands to reason that it would be better after it is adjusted for ballpark. Diamonds ERA was better based on 12 Earned runs over 170 innings. Point is, they were not basically the same as some have tried to say....and then add one was a rookie, one is a seasoned vet
FrodaddyG Verified Member Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Man, if only they'd spent a "pair-a-dimes" on Correia. *crickets* That's the kind of humor this signing deserves. (And the actual monetary sum his pitching merits.)
Top Gun Provisional Member Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Injuries will play a big part if Willingham or Mauer go down it's all over.
Top Gun Provisional Member Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 If Diamond goes down and Worley can't pitch, Correia and Blackburn will be the new aces.
Shane Wahl Verified Member Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 There are some strange comments. Barring another concussion, Morneau could really be a massive difference-maker in this lineup. If that guy is back to 80+ normal then it will mean good things. This coupled with a full season of Plouffe and Parmelee will be interesting. And then there is Aaron Hicks who has a chance to step in for Denard Span. Let's see where that goes. I want a lineup of Hicks-Mauer-Willingham-Morneau-Doumit-Plouffe-Parmelee-Dozier-Florimon/Carroll. I think that lineup may be able to be very productive. The key really is just moving everyone up a spot. Gardenhire is not intelligent, so this may not happen. The CF doesn't really matter in my view--if it's Mastro, let him try batting leadoff, but CLEARLY he cannot be followed by anyone not named Mauer. If Gardenhire simply fixed is diseased oldster thinking about baseball he can immediately limit the loss of Span by properly fixing the lineup. I think that Hicks will be the best leadoff option that the Twins have. But Mauer must bat second.
Teflon Verified Member Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Don't knock paradigms. After all, Carl Pohlad got richer than Midas getting a quarter back on all the paradigms he lent. (Plus foreclosing on the occasional farm here and there.)
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