Front Page: Hayes: Twins To Sign Rich Hill & Homer Bailey

[jkcarew]

 

As I said in a past post, take a look at Cleveland from 2016 forward.  Bieber, Civale, (both 24 years old and up for last few years), and Clevinger (29 years old, and brought up in 2016 permanently) all had less or equal 'stuff' than 6 of our 9 and equal or less performance than the same in the minors, and are now the core of Cleveland's pitching staff.  Cleveland mangement made the decision WHILE IN THEIR WINDOW to move these guys into the rotation in 2016, 2018, and 2019.  Falvey was there at that time (or on the front of end of it).  Perhaps he has the same plan here, and KNOWS that these Twins SP prospects are similar (or better?) and could complete the same transformation of the Twins SP Staff.  We hired Falvey for a reason, and he has a track record with these types of developments in Cleveland.  Like I said prior, if not NOW (bring 1-2 up each year), then WHEN?!?  You cannot keep throwing dollars at depreciating SP assets while letting your languish in MiLB - it simply makes NO SENSE.  Also, you can do it WHILE IN THEIR WINDOW, as Cleveland proved.  

All of this makes sense...if both your short-term and long-term goal is to win the AL central.

 

The only reason Cleveland was willing to 'gamble' on Clevinger in 2017 is that they already had Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco, Trevor Bauer, and Josh Tomlin in the rotation. Not much of a gamble for a team in their competitive window...and not exactly analogous to the Twins situation headed into 2020. Also, worth noting that even with that staff, Cleveland failed to win even one playoff series in either 2017 or 2018...going 2-6.

 

The fact is, the Twins need better starting pitching if they want to win in the post-season. A LOT better starting pitching.

[drivlikejehu]

 

Also, worth noting that even with that staff, Cleveland failed to win even one playoff series in either 2017 or 2018...going 2-6.

 

The fact is, the Twins need better starting pitching if they want to win in the post-season. A LOT better starting pitching.

 

Interesting how Cleveland had an elite staff, yet still lost. It's almost as if there's more to winning in the playoffs than just starting pitching.

[Mike Sixel]

Interesting how Cleveland had an elite staff, yet still lost. It's almost as if there's more to winning in the playoffs than just starting pitching.

Necessary and sufficient are two different things.... People are saying pitching is necessary, not sufficient.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I’m not here to say it’s been a successful offseason, but to lead the analysis of EVERY transaction with “that’s not impact pitching” is getting extremely annoying.

The front office said they were pursuing impact pitching and then missed on literally every free agent pitcher of note.

 

They deserve every (rational) ill word written about them because they failed to live up to their own promises, never mind the common sense necessity of the moves they said they were going to make (and didn't).

 

Whether it's repetitive or not, that's the reality of the situation.

 

If they go out and trade for Price or Gray tomorrow, we're done. All that bitching was (mostly) for naught.

 

But the fact they signed both Bailey *and* Hill makes that move quite unlikely. These deals feel like someone admitting defeat and fans should be pretty damned mad about it.