Game Thread: Twins vs Red Sox, 6/20 @ 7:10 PM CT

[tbhysgb]

LoMo made a nice play on that one, Don't know how he could get the error when Lynn fumbled his whole way through the play.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Morrison will get the E, but that's totally on Lynn.

No way. Could Lynn have caught it? Sure, but...

 

 

Edit: Grabbed the exact frame with the ball hitting the glove.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

That E had better be changed to Lynn. LoMo busted his you-know-what just to get to that one

It was a terrible flip. Lynn had his arm extended and it tipped off the glove.

 

But Lynn failed to hustle, for sure. But that doesn't impact Morrison's awful flip move.

[USAFChief]

 

It was a terrible flip. Lynn had his arm extended and it tipped off the glove.

 

But Lynn failed to hustle, for sure. But that doesn't impact Morrison's awful flip move.

Uh...it was high, but it hit him right in the glove.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Uh...it was high, but it hit him right in the glove.

Dude... I grabbed the exact frame where it happened. His arm was fully extended, he was leaning toward the throw, and the ball was a snowcone at best.

[TFRazor]

 

It was a terrible flip. Lynn had his arm extended and it tipped off the glove.

 

But Lynn failed to hustle, for sure. But that doesn't impact Morrison's awful flip move.

My bigger issue is that Lynn let it get out of hand to the point where the runner from second scored. If he drops the flip and everybody moves up a base, ok whatever. Letting that run score deserves the error.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

My bigger issue is that Lynn let it get out of hand to the point where the runner from second scored. If he drops the flip and everybody moves up a base, ok whatever. Letting that run score deserves the error.

I don't understand how a bad throw that bounces off the top of the receiver's glove and goes astray is the fault of the receiver.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Mookie Betts is a real pain in the ass.

[ashbury]

Dude... I grabbed the exact frame where it happened. His arm was fully extended, he was leaning toward the throw, and the ball was a snowcone at best.

I don't think one frame will tell the story on this one. That ball looks catchable to me, in motion. Lynn closed the glove too soon or something.

 

A video of the play is already up:

 

https://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/mp4/2018/06/21/2177992083/1529541860924/asset_1800K.mp4

 

But a poor flip. So I agree with giving the error to the one who put the other player in a position of having to bail him out.

[TFRazor]

 

I don't understand how a bad throw that bounces off the top of the receiver's glove and goes astray is the fault of the receiver.

His first job is to catch the ball. You can't get an out without it. If he's gotta pull up to make sure he actually gets the ball that's what you have to do. If he'd have hustled and got there quicker that would probably have been an out as LoMo wouldn't have had to rush his throw and hit a moving target underhanded

[USAFChief]

Has Lynn thrown a single pitch that wasn't some form of a fastball? Serious question.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I don't think one frame will tell the story on this one. That ball looks catchable to me, in motion.

 

A video of the play is already up:

 

https://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/mp4/2018/06/21/2177992083/1529541860924/asset_1800K.mp4

I fully admit it was catchable... but it's a pretty outstanding catch and nothing even close to routine.

 

Let's not forget that Lynn is on the move while all that's happening. And he's not the most... agile... dude on the planet.

 

If Morrison gets that ball even three inches closer to Lynn, that's almost surely an out.

 

The guy who has to make a way above average catch during a transfer doesn't get the error. The guy who put him in the position to fail that catch gets the error.

 

If Mauer is on his stomach and a ball ricochets off his glove after a throw from Dozier, who gets the error? It's pretty obviously Dozier.

[TFRazor]

 

Has Lynn thrown a single pitch that wasn't some form of a fastball? Serious question.

No

[USAFChief]

 

I fully admit it was catchable... but it's a pretty outstanding catch and nothing even close to routine.

 

Let's not forget that Lynn is on the move while all that's happening. And he's not the most... agile... dude on the planet.

 

If Morrison gets that ball even three inches closer to Lynn, that's almost surely an out.

 

The guy who has to make a way above average catch during a transfer doesn't get the error. The guy who put him in the position to fail that catch gets the error.

 

If Mauer is on his stomach and a ball ricochets off his glove after a throw from Dozier, who gets the error? It's pretty obviously Dozier.

This is hypothetical, correct? Since Mauer actually plays first so rarely.

[USAFChief]

 

No

 

There it was!  A breaking ball. Low and a foot outside, but a breaking ball.

[jud6312]

 

Has Lynn thrown a single pitch that wasn't some form of a fastball? Serious question.

The only thing he seems to throw besides straight fastballs are tantrums when the ump "squeezes" him, or when he misses Garver's target by a foot and he doesn't frame it the right way.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

or when he misses Garver's target by a foot and he doesn't frame it at all and stabs at the ball like a toddler bobbing for apples.

Fixed that for you.

[ashbury]

I fully admit it was catchable... but it's a pretty outstanding catch and nothing even close to routine.

 

Let's not forget that Lynn is on the move while all that's happening. And he's not the most... agile... dude on the planet.

 

If Morrison gets that ball even three inches closer to Lynn, that's almost surely an out.

 

The guy who has to make a way above average catch during a transfer doesn't get the error. The guy who put him in the position to fail that catch gets the error.

 

If Mauer is on his stomach and a ball ricochets off his glove after a throw from Dozier, who gets the error? It's pretty obviously Dozier.

While you were replying, I was modifying. One of my bad habits. I agree with the E-3 ruling, since the flip was not a good one. I just took issue with the snowcone-at-best characterization. Lynn mistimed his snag of the throw by just enough to ruin his otherwise workmanlike effort beating the runner to the bag.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

While you were replying, I was modifying. One of my bad habits. I agree with the E-3 ruling, since the flip was not a good one. I just took issue with the snowcone-at-best characterization. Lynn mistimed his snag of the throw by just enough to ruin his otherwise workmanlike effort beating the runner to the bag.

Lynn should have been in a better position to receive the ball by hustling to the bag, I fully agree with that.

[TFRazor]

Prepare the bullpen. 3 innings in and Lynn's already at a very Odorizzi-esque 50+ pitches

[USAFChief]

Well, many fans have been calling for longer outings by our starters. Lynn's doing his part tonight. Right at an hour for 2.5 innings.

[TFRazor]

 

There it was!  A breaking ball. Low and a foot outside, but a breaking ball.

You sure that wasn't the cutter?

[ashbury]

Lynn should have been in a better position to receive the ball by hustling to the bag, I fully agree with that.

I watched that video again in light of that perception, and I'm genuinely not sure Lynn can waddle any faster than he showed on that play. He got on his way with reasonable urgency, it just didn't work out any faster than that. And he did beat the batter to the bag, so it should have been enough.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Well, many fans have been calling for longer outings by our starters. Lynn's doing his part tonight. Right at an hour for 2.5 innings.

I think both Lynn and Odorizzi can/will be exposed by some of the super-patient lineups in the American League.

 

Old Gibson would have been equally exposed. I'm interested to see what new shiny Kyle Gibson will do.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I watched that video again in light of that perception, and I'm genuinely not sure Lynn can waddle any faster than he showed on that play. He got on his way with reasonable urgency, it just didn't work out any faster than that. And he did beat the batter to the bag, so it should have been enough.

He's a righty. He can use his considerable momentum to fall and begin rolling toward first after every pitch.

[ashbury]

He's a righty. He can use his considerable momentum to fall and begin rolling toward first after every pitch.

Angular momentum is a hell of a drug.

[TFRazor]

 

I think both Lynn and Odorizzi can/will be exposed by some of the super-patient lineups in the American League.

 

Old Gibson would have been equally exposed. I'm interested to see what new shiny Kyle Gibson will do.

He prefers to be called "Pitcher formally known as a bust" 

[Brock Beauchamp]

The Twins are really making Price work. He's now over 12 pitches per inning.

[snepp]

Atta-Eddie.

[TFRazor]

See? Eddie gets thrown out then like the maniac he is, legs out a triple