Article: What will another good September mean for Chris Parmelee?

[Shane Wahl]

Using Liriano as an example is ridiculous. First, that trade was stupid. Second, Morneau has more value than Liriano. Morneau's numbers are good this year and he has been healthy most of the year. .800+ OPS and 25 homers is going to be appealing to a lot of teams in the AL who need 1B/DH types.

 

The treatment of RF this year has been bizarre from start to finish.

 

The Twins were at their best this year when Span and Revere were each around .350-.360 OBP at the top of the order (and Plouffe was healthy and hitting). It was as though they understood, for once, that getting on base is the key to offensive success. Now take out Span and sub in a MI with a .320 OBP (at best) next year . . .

[EternalOptimism]

As much as I hate to say it, I think trading Willingham is the best option for the Twins. First of all, his value will never be higher, he's essentially having a career year and is signed for cheap for the next 2 years. The problem is, this is his first 30+ HR season, he'll be 34 next season. Trading him for the best package we can and having Parm play LF and a little 1B.

[jimbo92107]

Parmelee finishing strong makes Justin Morneau available for trade. I don't agree with insulting Morneau, who is a class act. The business of baseball dictates trades and promotions. Twins need to reload with young talent, even if Parm is not another Morneau, it's gotta happen pretty soon.

[DAM DC Twins Fans]

As much as I hate to say it, I think trading Willingham is the best option for the Twins. First of all, his value will never be higher, he's essentially having a career year and is signed for cheap for the next 2 years. The problem is, this is his first 30+ HR season, he'll be 34 next season. Trading him for the best package we can and having Parm play LF and a little 1B.

 

I disagree--other gms are not dumb--they know Josh will be 34 and can only decline--they also know that Josh is basically a DH playing LF.

 

There is a reason the Twins are where they are--their best players all have weakness in the trade market--Morneau with a big contract and concussion history, Span with injuries, Revere with no arm, Josh with no defense and an aging guy. TR needs to put all of them out there and see what he gets offered. No way, we know who will bring the most in Middle IF or pitching or prospects.

[Otto von Ballpark]

TR has a pretty conservative trade reputation, so I don't know what to expect. He might stand pat, or do something otherwise underwhelming to most fans. (Bill Smith, on the other hand, would have made a major move of dubious quality.)

 

Unless a top starter or starting prospect is available for Span, Morneau, or Willingham (and that's far from clear), I'd be inclined to agree. (In my ideal "standing pat" scenario, Revere would get shifted to 4th outfielder / pinch runner / defensive replacement, barring injury, and everyone below him in the lineup would move up a spot.)

[PseudoSABR]

Using Liriano as an example is ridiculous. First, that trade was stupid. Second, Morneau has more value than Liriano. Morneau's numbers are good this year and he has been healthy most of the year. .800+ OPS and 25 homers is going to be appealing to a lot of teams in the AL who need 1B/DH types.

It's not ridiculous. Liriano was pitching very well and coming off all kinds of injury and make up concerns (not unlike Morneau). You admit the trade was stupid, yet you somehow think that TR will do better with Morneau? An .800 OPS from a 1B for 14 million IS NOT appealing to lots of teams. You're being willfully pollyanneish. There are people in this thread that think Morneau should have been given to the Dodgers for nothing. I think you're really out of touch about his value. (And for the record I'd rather Morneau in 2013 than some teams 8th best prospect).

 

Morneau will fetch far more at the deadline in 2013 because he'll be farther away from the concussion and have a chance to reemerge as an elite hitter. We'd be selling very low on Morneau in the offseason.

[nokomismod]

Move Span. OF of Willingham, Span and Parmalee. If we move Morneau at deadline, Parmalee can move to 1B fulltime and Hicks can take over in RF at that time. This will give Hicks a little more seasoning in the minors. Span will get better prospects than Morneau at this point.

I think this is how it will play out too. Morneau will not bring any value at this time and the Twins would probably have to eat part of his salary (Doumit is more valuable than Morneau).

Has Span done something to make the Twins sour on him?

[nokomismod]

Using Liriano as an example is ridiculous. First, that trade was stupid. Second, Morneau has more value than Liriano. Morneau's numbers are good this year and he has been healthy most of the year. .800+ OPS and 25 homers is going to be appealing to a lot of teams in the AL who need 1B/DH types.

I really don't think Morneau has any trade value. I would be happy if the Twins could just salary dump him via trade, but I think they would have to eat part of it.

Why was the Liriano trade stupid? He is still the erratic pitcher now that he was with the White Sox.

[Oxtung]

 

JR has already indicated he thinks pitching market is "Thin."

 

No he didn't. I wish people would quite changing what TR said just to suit their own agenda. Gleeman incorrectly repeated this as well during his podcast. What TR said was that the "elite FA pitching market was 'thin'". Unless I missed a clarification somewhere he has said nothing about the pitching market as a whole. Now maybe TR doesn't go out and get any of the better pitchers this winter and maybe you think it is unlikely to happen. That's fine, rip him then, but don't put words in his mouth because he hasn't said anything about the pitching market as a whole.

[Oxtung]

Here is what we have said so far:

 

Trade Span.

Trade Morneau.

Trade Willingham.

Trade Revere.

Trade Doumit

Trade Parmelee

Trade Hicks

Trade them all.

 

Dump them immediately.

Trade them one at a time over the next year.

 

Demand top prospects.

Just get rid of the contracts with no return.

 

Start the OF prospects next season.

Leave the OF prospects in the minors for more seasoning.

 

Play Parmelee in the OF.

Play Parmelee at 1B.

Platoon Parmelee.

Who cares about Parmelee for next season.

 

I think one thing is certain. No matter what the FO does this winter it will be wrong to a significant portion of the fanbase and we'll be hearing about this for the next 10 years.