Expansion Draft

[Pardon My Dinger]

What would you guys do, if you were Fletch?

 

Personally, I'd make Zucker my sacrificial lamb. I love the guy, but it would be too enticing for Vegas, and we wouldn't have to worry about Nino, Granlund, or Dumba/Brodin.

[Pardon My Dinger]

Then again...Granny and Nino probably won't be signed at that point. I think that means they're off limits. Anyone know about that for sure?

[TheLeviathan]

I think these would be my preferred options:

 

Offer Vegas a pick to take Pominville for us if he is willing to waive his no-move clause

 

Failing that.....I hope they take Brodin.  We are in a better position to lose a D-man than Zucker IMO.

 

Granny, Nino, and Haula are all RFAs.  But if you can find a way to shed Pominville and Brodin than you can keep all three of those guys around.  And I think that should be the plan.

 

I like Brodin, but I think we can get by without him.  Oloffson, Folin, Reilly, etc. are all options.  

[Pardon My Dinger]

I think these would be my preferred options:

 

Offer Vegas a pick to take Pominville for us if he is willing to waive his no-move clause

 

Failing that.....I hope they take Brodin. We are in a better position to lose a D-man than Zucker IMO.

 

Granny, Nino, and Haula are all RFAs. But if you can find a way to shed Pominville and Brodin than you can keep all three of those guys around. And I think that should be the plan.

 

I like Brodin, but I think we can get by without him. Oloffson, Folin, Reilly, etc. are all options.

I don't think there's any conceivable way to 'shed' Pomminville. But the theory is that fletch can get him to waive his NTC, which would allow the wild to protect one of m the younger guys.

[TheLeviathan]

 

I don't think there's any conceivable way to 'shed' Pomminville. But the theory is that fletch can get him to waive his NTC, which would allow the wild to protect one of m the younger guys.

 

Yeah, his NTC is a major complication.

[Vanimal46]

 

Then again...Granny and Nino probably won't be signed at that point. I think that means they're off limits. Anyone know about that for sure?

Here's a link for the Expansion Draft Rules. If Granny and Nino aren't signed, then if I'm understanding the rules correctly they wouldn't be eligible for the draft. 

 

So here would be the options to expose:

2 Forwards under contract for 17/18 - Pommer (if he waives NTC), Coyle, Koivu, Stewart, Zucker, Staal, Parise

1 Defenseman under contract for 17/18 - Brodin, Dumba, Scandella, Spurgeon

 

1 Goalie that can be either a RFA or under contract - Steve Michalek? 

[Vanimal46]

I would hate to expose Zucker since he's really honing in on his game right now, and could be a perennial 25+ goal top 6 forward. Las Vegas would certainly draft him to be a top 6 forward on their team. 

I think the Wild could take the loss of Brodin.... Love the guy, and think he's a great defensive minded player, but I think Dumba has more potential to be a force on the power play.  

[nicksaviking]

Yeah, making the choices of whom to expose would have seemed much easier 12 months ago. Not a great time for a half dozen guys to finally break out.

 

I mean unless you're interested in winning hockey games now. Then I suppose it is a pretty good time for them to break out.

[SweetOne69]

 

Here's a link for the Expansion Draft Rules. If Granny and Nino aren't signed, then if I'm understanding the rules correctly they wouldn't be eligible for the draft. 

 

So here would be the options to expose:

2 Forwards under contract for 17/18 - Pommer (if he waives NTC), Coyle, Koivu, Stewart, Zucker, Staal, Parise

1 Defenseman under contract for 17/18 - Brodin, Dumba, Scandella, Spurgeon

 

1 Goalie that can be either a RFA or under contract - Steve Michalek? 

I don't see anything in the rules regarding unsigned RFAs.  The exemptions only apply to 1st and 2nd year players and unsigned draft picks.  If the Wild submit a qualifying offer to an RFA, they remain the property of the Wild and thus are eligible to be selected in the Expansion Draft.

[Vanimal46]

 

I don't see anything in the rules regarding unsigned RFAs.  The exemptions only apply to 1st and 2nd year players and unsigned draft picks.  If the Wild submit a qualifying offer to an RFA, they remain the property of the Wild and thus are eligible to be selected in the Expansion Draft.

Interesting, thanks for clearing it up. 

[Pardon My Dinger]

The key is to get Pommer to waive the NMC. That really makes this a slam dunk. If I can expose Pomminville, I'm protecting (7F) Parise, Koivu, Staal, Coyle, Granlund, Zucker, Nino, (3D) Suter, Spurge, JoBro, and (1G) Dubnyk. 

 

In that scenario, Dumba's probably headed to Sin City. People love his potential, but there's a risk that he never gets there. Brodin's already locked up and, just, like...more good. 

 

If Pomminville decides he is too proud, and wants to give everyone of his bosses and colleagues a headache, then I'm sticking with my Zucker strategy. They'll take the bait, he'll go home, and we'll at least not have lost any part of our defensive core. 

[SF Twins Fan]

This will become very interesting. First move would be to see if Pommer waives his NMC - he won't be selected by Las Vegas, but it would be a move to allow the team to keep Zucker. They would then protect Stall, Koivu, Parise, Granlund, Zucker, Nino and Coyle on offense and Suter, Spurgoen and either Dumba or Brodin. I would hate to lose either Dumba or Brodin so this will be a tough call. I think Dumba would be the tougher player to replace because he's offensive minded and also a right handed shot, so I would probably protect him.

 

The left shot Defense on the team include Suter, Brodin, Scandella, Olofsson and Reilly.

The right shot Defense on the team include Spurgeon, Dumba, Folin and Prosser.

 

The order of the players above is also how I would currently rank them. As I said before I would hate to lose Brodin, but with the Wild being deeper on the left shot defense he's "easier" to replace. 

 

As a side note I'm really high on Olofsson and I think he'll be a very good player. I also can't stand Reilly... he's terrible at everything but skating.

[Dr. Evil]

Brodin is a guy I would definitely protect. He plays a quiet game and is sneaky good. Way under rated IMO.

[Pardon My Dinger]

 

The left shot Defense on the team include Suter, Brodin, Scandella, Olofsson and Reilly.

The right shot Defense on the team include Spurgeon, Dumba, Folin and Prosser.

 

For the sake of the PP, you could just throw a Right-shot forward in that spot instead. 

[TheLeviathan]

 

Brodin is a guy I would definitely protect. He plays a quiet game and is sneaky good. Way under rated IMO.

 

I like Brodin, but at some point costs come into play here too.  We simply might not be able to afford to keep Nino and Zucker and Granlund with us paying Brodin and Scandella as much money as we are.   And if i have to choose Brodin or one of those three forwards to move on....I choose Brodin.

[Pardon My Dinger]

The way Pommer's been cruising lately, do you think there's a chance he would not agree to waive the NMC, out of fear he might get drafted? Seems far fetched that he'd get picked, but he's a captain and he's led the league in scoring since mid January.

[TheLeviathan]

I think we should just learn to accept that one of Dumba/Brodin/Scandella is likely gone.  Or we lose Zucker....which is worse IMO.

[DaveW]

There is NO WAY you can let Zucker go. The Granlund-Koivu-Zucker line might be one of the top 2 or 3 lines in all of hockey.

Losing one of the D men is the way to go, it sucks, but they have a lot of depth, Oolfasseun (spelling) has been playing really real lately, and you have guys like Reilly/Folin who can step up as well.

 

 

[Pardon My Dinger]

 

There is NO WAY you can let Zucker go. The Granlund-Koivu-Zucker line might be one of the top 2 or 3 lines in all of hockey.

Losing one of the D men is the way to go, it sucks, but they have a lot of depth, Oolfasseun (spelling) has been playing really real lately, and you have guys like Reilly/Folin who can step up as well.

I pretty much agree...but, I think you could put Haula on that line and get pretty comparable production.

[DaveW]

 

I pretty much agree...but, I think you could put Haula on that line and get pretty comparable production.

I dunno about that, Koivu is having an amazing year as a C, not sure Haula is a top 6 guy yet.

[Pardon My Dinger]

 

I dunno about that, Koivu is having an amazing year as a C, not sure Haula is a top 6 guy yet.

I meant that Haula could replace Zucker.

 

Wouldn't be ideal of course, but you could probably put this guy on a line with Koivu and Granlund right now and he'd look pretty good. 

 

[TheLeviathan]

Yeah I think you have to protect Koivu, Parise, Pominville, and Suter. I add Spurgeon, Coyle, Zucker, and Granlund.

 

Then I hope they take a D guy and not Nino.

 

Ideally I find a way out of protecting Pominville so I can protect Nino instead.

[Pardon My Dinger]

 

Yeah I think you have to protect Koivu, Parise, Pominville, and Suter. I add Spurgeon, Coyle, Zucker, and Granlund.

Then I hope they take a D guy and not Nino.

Ideally I find a way out of protecting Pominville so I can protect Nino instead.

I would absolutely protect Nino over Zucker. Without question. 

[TheLeviathan]

I forgot about the 7/3 option. Pominville is the key to making this happen.

[DaveW]

 

I forgot about the 7/3 option. Pominville is the key to making this happen.

Yeah, I imagine they can figure out a way to have him waive the clause. There is like zero chance Las Vegas would take him anyways, especially when they have the option of some solid Dmen instead.

[DaveW]

 

I meant that Haula could replace Zucker.

 

Wouldn't be ideal of course, but you could probably put this guy on a line with Koivu and Granlund right now and he'd look pretty good. 

Oh I see, I dunno, I think Zucker has really taken some real nice steps forward this year. Reminds me of a young mans/poor mans Parise a bit in how he plays.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Yeah, I imagine they can figure out a way to have him waive the clause. There is like zero chance Las Vegas would take him anyways, especially when they have the option of some solid Dmen instead.

 

The only way is if we basically say "take him for us and we'll give you a pick to do it".   Which, to my understanding, is allowed.  

 

And I'd probably be ok with that, depending on the pick.

[DaveW]

The only way is if we basically say "take him for us and we'll give you a pick to do it". Which, to my understanding, is allowed.

 

And I'd probably be ok with that, depending on the pick.

No I'm talking about having Pominville "waive" his clause for the draft, so basically the wild DONT have to protect him. Once that happens it's pretty much a 99.99999% chance that LV takes someone other than pominville anyways. While allowing us to use pominvilles auto protected spot on a guy like Nino Haula etc instead. Does that make sense?

 

LV wouldn't get Pom, the Wild would just be able to protect an extra fwd

[DaveW]

Also I doubt pominville would want to leave Minnesota for Vegas anyways. The "trading him to Vegas" part I don't see happening.

 

I actually still think Pom can be a solid contributor for this team for the next couple years anyways, he will be streaky and overpaid, but still an asset IMO. It's not Heatley like.

[Pardon My Dinger]

As I stated earlier, it may not be quite the forgone conclusion that vegas wouldn't take Pommer if available. Vegas will no doubt want some veteran leadership. He can still score, if only in bunches. And Vegas will actually need some cap impact to be compliant.

 

Not saying it would be likely, but who knows?