Gophers Football

[TheLeviathan]

Some final fallout from the scandal:

 

http://www.twincities.com/2017/02/03/gophers-winfield-jr-says-hes-been-cleared-in-school-sexual-assault-case/

[USAFChief]

Some final fallout from the scandal:

 

http://www.twincities.com/2017/02/03/gophers-winfield-jr-says-hes-been-cleared-in-school-sexual-assault-case/

I'm not at all sure "final" is correct. Opportunity for lawsuits, IMO.

 

The more I look into this, the more I believe the University process needs overhaul, from athlete oversight, to the EEOE office, to disciplinary SOPs.

 

Nobody looks good, including the female, who changed her story yet again. She now admits she wasn't intoxicated.

[TheLeviathan]

 

I'm not at all sure "final" is correct. Opportunity for lawsuits, IMO.

The more I look into this, the more I believe the University process needs overhaul, from athlete oversight, to the EEOE office, to disciplinary SOPs.

Nobody looks good, including the female, who changed her story yet again. She now admits she wasn't intoxicated.

 

You're right, probably not the end of it.  Where did you read that her story changed again?

 

The real shame here is that the four players who had, at best, tangential involvement in the actual act were dragged into the paper as if they were also perpetrators.  

[Badsmerf]

Well i feel better now that players whom weren't in the apartment aren't getting punished. Still, I don't like how everything went down. Seems backwards they had to prove their innocence, but I guess that could be changed with an executive order.

[drjim]

When some of us were pushing back it was because there was suspicion from the beginning about the process. None of this surprises me.

 

Of course, the players get dragged through the mud, the teammates were hammered even though they were right to stand up for their teammates, and an entire staff gets unceremoniously dumped. And as the usual, the course correction gets very little pub.

[TheLeviathan]

 

When some of us were pushing back it was because there was suspicion from the beginning about the process. None of this surprises me.

Of course, the players get dragged through the mud, the teammates were hammered even though they were right to stand up for their teammates, and an entire staff gets unceremoniously dumped. And as the usual, the course correction gets very little pub.

 

Right, at the very least we should be looking back at this and asking why the university now feels like doing an almost 180 from what one department determined.  If there is going to be such a stark difference between fair due process and Title IX, shouldn't we have some hard questions about what, how, and why the decision by Title IX was determined in the first place?

 

I sure as hell do.

[drjim]

Half the suspended players now officially reinstated with little fanfare.

 

Maybe the player protest wasn't as absurd as it was made out to be at the time.

 

I will say, seeing how this played out, seeing how players were very publicly trashed but so quietly redeemed, will make me more skeptical in the future of sexual assault allegations. I doubt I'm alone and that can't be a good thing.

[TheLeviathan]

That whole thing was a freaking mess.  It should make anyone who sides with the laws that got it there take a serious look in the mirror about what they support.

 

There are better ways to solve sexual assault on campus then debacles like this.

[Badsmerf]

The remaining implicated players still have a reason to be upset about the end ruling. Considering the entire process, how it played out, they have would have legitimate reason to believe the university felt compelled to at least punish somebody. To me, that isn't justice. It is still disturbing to me the university feels they can decide criminal matters.

 

If any of those players have money they should take this case up the chain. I would love to see a supreme court ruling limiting university power. While we're at it put a cap on salaries paid.

[TheLeviathan]

 

The remaining implicated players still have a reason to be upset about the end ruling. Considering the entire process, how it played out, they have would have legitimate reason to believe the university felt compelled to at least punish somebody. To me, that isn't justice. It is still disturbing to me the university feels they can decide criminal matters.

If any of those players have money they should take this case up the chain. I would love to see a supreme court ruling limiting university power. While we're at it put a cap on salaries paid.

 

The SC would be fighting the Obama Administration's policies on that.  I agree with you, but many of these things were spurred on by the former President's administration.

 

When things like this happen, I would hope it would shine a giant spotlight on how these laws are actually counter-productive to their objective.  We need to support and seek justice for sexual assault victims, but this changes the focus completely away from that.  And actually makes more victims out of people rather than achieving justice.

[Vanimal46]

Should be an interesting QB battle post-Leidner. Kind of hoping for a freshman to take the reigns this year.

 

No idea if this is going to be a rebuilding year or if they can potentially contend for a division title.

[Badsmerf]

Anyone watch the game? Really disappointing and uncreative play calling. There is only so many times you can run the same run play. Also, why pass so much? Smith and Brooks are excellent backs, so go under center and give them a chance once in a while. Both QBs looked below average and for some reason Seth green isn't in the discussion for starter. Based on this game, I'd be surprised if this team is 500 this year. More an indictment against kill and clayes than fleck.

[Mr. Brooks]

Yeah, new staff same preseason garbage.

17 points against Buffalo? That's pretty pathetic for anyone, let alone a team that has West title aspirations.

 

The encouraging thing for me though, is that Fleck was openly disappointed and acknowledged that it wasn't good enough. Kill/Claeys would have been happy to win regardless of opponents skill level.

[USAFChief]

Disappointing, but QB play was always going to be an issue this year, and I'm hoping the play calling was intentionally vanilla.

 

I think they'll get better as the season progresses in both areas.

[USAFChief]

PJ Fleck is the greatest coach in the history of the world.

 

Hire him away, Falvine. Row The (Twins) Boat!

[Vanimal46]

I guess that's going to be the key to success this year, run run run.

[twinsnorth49]

I guess that's going to be the key to success this year, run run run.

Or to just keep playing the Beavers.

[Mr. Brooks]

Can someone explain the Smith/Brooks usage?

To my untrained eye, Brooks looks like the vastly superior runner, but they just keep giving it to Smith over and over instead of Brooks.

 

What am I missing here?

[stringer bell]

 

Can someone explain the Smith/Brooks usage?
To my untrained eye, Brooks looks like the vastly superior runner, but they just keep giving it to Smith over and over instead of Brooks.

What am I missing here?

Related to Shannon perhaps?

[Badsmerf]

I don't get it either. Brooks is far and away a better back. Smith is a good back, but Brooks is really good. Last year Brooks was hurt so that was understandable. Guess you don't need to get your best guy injured in that kinda game?

[Mr. Brooks]

Related to Shannon perhaps?

Ha, no, my name is a reference to the great Herb Brooks.

[Vanimal46]

Last week would have been an opportune time to figure out the QB situation as well. Can't imagine they have a better understanding of what they have when Rhoda threw the ball 8 times all game. 

[USAFChief]

3-0.

 

First new Gopher coach to start 3-0 since Warmath in '54.

 

i guess the only question left to answer at this point is whether PJ leaves before or after coaching the Gophers in this year's Rose Bowl.

[Vanimal46]

Always encouraging to win out in the "cupcake" portion of the schedule. Especially with a young team. Hopefully Brooks and Rodney Smith heal up over the bye. They'll be much needed when they start the conference schedule vs. Maryland.

[drjim]

Always encouraging to win out in the "cupcake" portion of the schedule. Especially with a young team. Hopefully Brooks and Rodney Smith heal up over the bye. They'll be much needed when they start the conference schedule vs. Maryland.

Are they that young? I always thought the cupboard was left decently stocked.

 

Will be interesting to see if it carries over against actual opponents.

[kab21]

It is nice to see that they can actually play football this year but are they going to wear horrifically ugly jerseys every week?

[Mr. Brooks]

Well it's always better to win than lose, of course. But so far they've yet to play anything resembling a real football team.

 

Hopefully once the remaining Kill/Claeys commitments are cleared, we'll actually see them schedule a game or two that has at least a small chance of losing.

 

I'm not saying I expect Alabama and USC on the schedule every year, but the Kill/Claeys era nonconference games have been pathetic.

[Vanimal46]

 

Are they that young? I always thought the cupboard was left decently stocked.

Will be interesting to see if it carries over against actual opponents.

 

I assumed they were with Fleck coming on board, but maybe not. 

[Vanimal46]

Do we think Rhoda is good enough to be the starting QB throughout this season? 

Frankly I haven't been impressed with him on the field. A couple good throws here and there, but overall too inconsistent. 

[drjim]

 

I assumed they were with Fleck coming on board, but maybe not. 

 

They will have a weak incoming recruiting class, which happens with a coaching change. But beyond that they have some upperclassmen who are coming off the winningest Gopher football season in 14 years and second winningest season since the schedule expanded in 1970.