Article: Roster Shuffle: Twins Add Guerrier, What's Next?

[Brock Beauchamp]

I don't fault them for Mauer yet either.

 

I fault them for having no backup for Hicks to start the season, no real CF at AAA for a month and counting now, no legit outfielder replacements on the 40-man roster...

 

Eh, having two centerfielders go down with 7-day concussion DL injuries in the same week isn't something that most teams are equipped to handle.

 

But they had an opportunity to patchwork together a roster for a couple of games while Hicks gets ready to return and they...

 

Call up a reliever? Are they trolling us?

[DJL44]

Shouldn't be too hard to fit 5 people in a car as long as Gardy sits shotgun. We can send Gardy, Rick Anderson, Antony, and TR along with whoever we DFA.

 

Are you comparing the Twins brain trust to a clown car?

[scottz]

Yes, we only have one outfielder. Yes, we have 4 shortstops. Yes, we have 3 catchers. Yes, we're carrying 13 pitchers.

 

But we kept our word when we told Kubel and Bartlett and Guerrier that we would give them a fair shake. And without keeping our word like we did, why then, we would have zero outfielders.

[jokin]

I don't fault them for not DLing Mauer.

 

But I do fault them for not getting Arcia and Nunez on this roster. That in itself would help this situation immensely and all it requires is the demotion of two really really bad baseball players (Chris Herrmann and Pedro Florimon).

 

And for crying out loud, Arcia and Nunez were 100 miles away.

 

I wasn't arguing that they should have DL'd Mauer immediately. The fact is, they did have only 2 bench players once he went down in the 2nd inning on Sunday, and the thought apparently never occurred to them that they were dangerously exposed to disaster....and then they decided to roll the dice and go day to day instead of immediately swapping out one of the excess relievers. No other word for that than "dumb".

[Seth Stohs]

In all honesty Seth, that "moment" was last Sunday when Mauer went down. This is inexcusable.

 

Oh.

[troyhobbs]

Angels claimed Raley off waivers because Twins didn't DFA him for some reason. I don't care about that a ton but it's still kind of dumb and I am sick of Twins brass and Gardy and Andy. I'd love a new GM and Molitor or Gene Glynn as Manager. 13 pitchers, 3 catchers, and 1 outfielder...who assembles a team like that? Just the Twins.

[Mike Sixel]

They won't give up a second round pick for Drew, because YOUTH and the FUTURE. But cutting a 20 somthing pitcher to call up a 35 year old RP makes sense? When you have 7 RP on the roster? When your ML system has some legit RP prospects?

[Otto von Ballpark]

Eh, having two centerfielders go down with 7-day concussion DL injuries in the same week isn't something that most teams are equipped to handle.

 

"Handle" as in put a good MLB CF out there? No, of course not.

 

But "handle" as in not repeatedly rely on catchers and infielders at all 3 outfield spots (and also at AAA)? I'm pretty sure most teams can do that. Shift over a corner guy, call up a AAA outfielder -- basic things the Twins haven't done for over a month.

 

How many MLB teams have ever had 1 listed OF on their 25-man roster, like we do now? Or 14 pitchers like we had last week?

[jokin]

Eh, having two centerfielders go down with 7-day concussion DL injuries in the same week isn't something that most teams are equipped to handle.

 

But they had an opportunity to patchwork together a roster for a couple of games while Hicks gets ready to return and they...

 

Call up a reliever? Are they trolling us?

 

2 CF down in CF in a week is unusual. But what's even more unusual is the fact that there is no CF in AAA at the ready on speed dial- apparently not an OF of any kind is available. The Twins had their CF depth lost on waivers, and have not made sufficient moves to restock that depth. No one has ever answered the question- what happened to Jermaine Mitchell?....and why was he let go in ST?

[Otto von Ballpark]

Angels claimed Raley off waivers because Twins didn't DFA him for some reason.

 

DFA probably would have almost certainly led to the same outcome.

 

As a silver lining, another team claiming him now sorta validates our original claim of Raley...

[jokin]

Oh.

 

Defend the indefensible all you care to do so, but going into your next series with 13 pitchers and 2 position players was just plain foolish- and then to remedy the situation, they called up another SS.

[troyhobbs]

2 CF down in CF in a week is unusual. But what's even more unusual is the fact that there is no CF in AAA at the ready on speed dial- apparently not an OF of any kind is available. The Twins had their CF depth lost on waivers, and have not made sufficient moves to restock that depth. No one has ever answered the question- what happened to Jermaine Mitchell?....and why was he let go in ST?

 

Because CF was clearly locked down by Hicks and super utility man Jason Bartlett so no reason for any sort of contingency strategy.

[troyhobbs]

DFA probably would have almost certainly led to the same outcome.

 

As a silver lining, another team claiming him now sorta validates our original claim of Raley...

 

Yep...you're right. I guess they actually did DFA him earlier in the week. My bad.

[Brock Beauchamp]

How many MLB teams have ever had 1 listed OF on their 25-man roster, like we do now? Or 14 pitchers like we had last week?

 

I've said multiple times that this situation is ridiculous... But it could have been offset by demoting Herrmann/Florimon and calling up Arcia/Nunez.

 

A perfect solution? No. Enough to get them through a couple games until Hicks returns? Yes.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I've said multiple times that this situation is ridiculous... But it could have been offset by demoting Herrmann/Florimon and calling up Arcia/Nunez.

 

A perfect solution? No. Enough to get them through a couple games until Hicks returns? Yes.

 

Well, they didn't do your plan either, so I guess we're splitting hairs. (And I have no problem with waiting for Arcia right now, wrist injuries are not easy and should not be rushed. It's all the other outfielder or lack thereof moves that have been piling up since March.)

[Riverbrian]

I recognize the oddity of having two CF's go down in a week. I don't blame the Twins for that.

 

However... I think it's pretty clear that the Twins luck is karma for the lack of attention paid to the position.

 

We have a big CF problem right now... Even if Hicks and Fuld were healthy... We'd still have a CF problem. Hicks ain't ready and Fuld hasn't earned CF starter over the course of his career... And I'm a huge Fuld fan.

 

I was worried about this day in February when I thought it was gonna be Presley and Hicks in AAA.

 

The Twins approach to CF simply can't be explained.

 

I'd really like Nick... Parker or Seth or someone to try and find out. Who drove the bus on these CF decisions... And why?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Well, they didn't do your plan either, so I guess we're splitting hairs. (And I have no problem with waiting for Arcia right now, wrist injuries are not easy and should not be rushed. It's all the other outfielder or lack thereof moves that have been piling up since March.)

 

Fair enough. Really, it all boils down to "the Twins don't need a 35 year old reliever on the roster right now, doubly so at the expense of an outfielder".

 

I think we can all agree on that point.

 

And, in my eyes, Pedro Florimon has no business being within 100 miles of an MLB roster right now. It's inexcusable that he's on the roster.

[jokin]

 

 

 

 

The Twins approach to CF simply can't be explained.

 

I'd really like Nick... Parker or Seth or someone to try and find out. Who drove the bus off the cliff on these CF decisions... And why?

 

FIFY

 

I have to think that TR may have already been distracted with his health problems by this time. Which would mean that Antony and Gardy had their hands in this, and Bartlett was looming over any decision from the day he was signed.....hence the club's ZERO interest in Bonifacio.

[jokin]

Fair enough. Really, it all boils down to "the Twins don't need a 35 year old reliever on the roster right now, doubly so at the expense of an outfielder".

 

I think we can all agree on that point.

 

And, in my eyes, Pedro Florimon has no business being within 100 miles of an MLB roster right now. It's inexcusable that he's on the roster.

 

Would you have granted an exemption to your 100 mile rule since the Red Wings are playing at Columbus?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Would you have granted an exemption to your 100 mile rule since the Red Wings are playing at Columbus?

 

Columbus, OH is 141 miles from Progressive Field. I chose the number 100 very specifically.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Progressive+Field,+2401+Ontario+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44115/Columbus,+OH/@40.7287831,-82.8632032,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x8830fa86b610f6ed:0x52dcb50dc0cf3385!2m2!1d-81.685229!2d41.496211!1m5!1m1!1s0x883889c1b990de71:0xe43266f8cfb1b533!2m2!1d-82.9987942!2d39.9611755

[golfboy1]

but yes Escobar is in CF.

 

It hurts my brain to think of it that way. I'm just going to pretend he's playing a very, very deep SS today.

 

At this point, it's actually comical. Our LF is a 3rd string catcher, who hit's like a 3rd string catcher, we have a backup MI in CF & a RF nobody else would sign before spring training. Am I missing anything??

 

You could say they have had bad luck with 2 CF going down but the truth is Hicks shouldn't even be in the ML right(he's hitting .178) now & Fuld is a backup at best. What kind of a plan is that?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

So depressiong. This recent comedy of errors is just more evidence the Twins know they have no chance to compete.

 

Look, mismanagement at a very high level. They have a CF problem and OF shortage. Span and Revere are both starting for their teams and are batting leadoff. The downward spiral actually started when they let Torii go. Been trying to get a stable OF ever since. Gardy plays favorites regardless of baseball sense. Anthony is letting him call the shots. The Guerrier and Bartlett decisions cannot be explained otherwise. Gardy must not like Parmalee. It was a no brainer to call him up when the OF needed someone. Instead, he kept three shortstops and three catchers ( so to speak) had one of the SS play OF for the first time. Man..... Pedro and Hermann need to go. Call up Parmalee. This team needs offense. April is over.

 

Pitching...Made no sense to send the rookie LHP who just threw 3 perfect innings down.

We are short on lefties as it is. Guerrier would have redone his deal after the option expired. Frankly, he had nowhere else to go. And we would not need 8 relievers if Gardy did not have a couple of them throw 1 pitch per appearance ( I exaggerate only slightly). There are only 9 innings in a game. If the starter gets you to 6th inning, you need 3 relievers. And why can't a reliever pitch two days in a row if he only thows one inning?

 

We have several guys in AA and AAA that could come up right now and do as well as our current starters

 

I am OK with Fuld. He is versatile, fast, and not hurting us so far. He is basically a wash with Pressley and Mastro. Wilson .... made no sense to add if we aren't gonna move him up when we have an OF emergency.... see Parmalee comments here

 

I agree with just about every word.

 

Welcome to the conversation - looks like you've been a member since 2012 but finally now moved to speak.

[jokin]

Columbus, OH is 141 miles from Progressive Field. I chose the number 100 very specifically.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Progressive+Field,+2401+Ontario+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44115/Columbus,+OH/@40.7287831,-82.8632032,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x8830fa86b610f6ed:0x52dcb50dc0cf3385!2m2!1d-81.685229!2d41.496211!1m5!1m1!1s0x883889c1b990de71:0xe43266f8cfb1b533!2m2!1d-82.9987942!2d39.9611755

 

Check the Googlemaps for this weekend's 2 series. Detroit to Toledo- Toledo is practically a suburb of Motown. More moves by taxicab coming?

 

https://maps.google.com/

[Guest USAFChief]

Ugh. We don't even know for sure that this was his decision.Besides, even if it was his decision, everyone is going to make stupid mistakes at a new job.If he's still making these kinds of moves next year (provided he's the one who made the move at all), then you talk about moving on because he's obviously not capable at the position.If people on this forum managed large numbers of people the way they suggest the Twins manage their operation, they'd have no workers left because they would have fired everybody for trivial offenses.

First of all, its not "large numbers of people" its the guy in charge, whether that's Ryan or Antony. Second, it's not "trivial" to mismanage your assets this badly, even if it was an isolated incident, which it's not. And lastly, managers get fired for mistakes all the time. In 26 years in the military, I never once saw a commander survive a screw up of this magnitude.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Logan Darnell should be starting (as in beginning games) in AAA right now. Matt Guerrier has been a very solid big league contributor for 10 years. Let's think about the track record instead of his most recent outing in Rochester. If he's healthy, he should be alright. Darnell will be back. May and Meyer, they'll come up later. This is kind of a no-brainer move for the Twins. Sure, he could be the second coming of Mike Trombley's comeback, or he could be a solid 6th and 7th inning guy. I don't mind this at all.

Agreed on the Darnell part, then we diverge.

 

I don't care if a Guerrier is ok, this roster is in shambles and they gave up a prospect (albeit low ceiling guy) to bring up a 35 year old who won't get better over time.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Check the Googlemaps for this weekend's 2 series. Detroit to Toledo- Toledo is practically a suburb of Motown. More moves by taxicab coming?

 

https://maps.google.com/

 

Maybe Brock wants Florimon demoted to AA New Britain? (Actually, geography jokes aside, that might not be a bad idea if Santana gets sent back to Rochester...)

[golfboy1]

As long as I'm piling on the Twins here is another thing that bugs me. Bullpen management.

 

We wouldn't need 8 RP if they would let them pitch more than one fricken inning. Not counting Deduno, the other 7 RP have made 88 relief appearances & pitched a total of 89 innings. If a pitcher has a good, clean inning there is no reason he can't go back out for another inning...or more.

 

"Back in the days", even the closer would often come in before the 9th inning if necessary. Gardy wouldn't need so many RP'ers if he would extend them more when the circumstances allowed him to.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I recognize the oddity of having two CF's go down in a week. I don't blame the Twins for that.

 

However... I think it's pretty clear that the Twins luck is karma for the lack of attention paid to the position.

 

We have a big CF problem right now... Even if Hicks and Fuld were healthy... We'd still have a CF problem. Hicks ain't ready and Fuld hasn't earned CF starter over the course of his career... And I'm a huge Fuld fan.

 

I was worried about this day in February when I thought it was gonna be Presley and Hicks in AAA.

 

The Twins approach to CF simply can't be explained.

 

I'd really like Nick... Parker or Seth or someone to try and find out. Who drove the bus on these CF decisions... And why?

I could not agree more. Who goes into a season with 1 CF in Triple A and 1 CF in MLB and not one 4th outfielder between the two?

[JB_Iowa]

I guess this is what's next:

 

 

• Dustin Morse ‏@Twins_morsecode 2m
  Following today's game the @twins have optioned Pedro Florimon & Chris Herrmann to AAA. Corresponding roster moves tomorrow. #MNTwins
   
   
  

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Per Gardy Presser: Hermann and Florimon both optioned, corresponding roster moves tomorrow.