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Leadership Seems Lacking as Twins Look Lifeless
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Remember when the clubhouse atmosphere was supposedly night and day different from last season, Correa was being praised as a leader, and we were scapegoating Josh Donaldson? I do....- 47 replies
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Week in Review: Running into a Wall
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Can't remember the last time the tone of these reviews was any different. Pretty much the last 3+ months in a nutshell.- 15 replies
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Everyone!? How about one? Just one starting pitcher in year 6 who can throw 120+ innings and be at least a back end rotation staple. I mean talk about setting a low bar....
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Ryan wasn't a prospect. Great trade, but zero development there. No way we're seriously counting Sands as anything right? He was terrible as a starter so far and the "hope," is he'll be a useful bullpen piece. Winder just went on the IL with his 3rd shoulder issue in a calendar year and it's not like he was a rotation lock prior to that. Ober hasn't been able to stay healthy and handle even a light work load at any level. 30 something innings this year. If they're holding a rotation spot for a perpetually unavailable guy who profiles as a 4-5 at best then we should yell. Duran. Yep, success, failed starter but still an overall success. Jax? Eh, if you want to stretch it to help your case sure. I wouldn't, and even his place in the pen was being questioned recently but whatever. I count zero reliable starters developed and 1, maybe 2 bullpen pieces. This was it, the development year, and its been a disaster. A better analogy would be promising your kids a cookie or two and then handing them a rice cake.
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Am I concerned about the farm ranking? No Am I concerned about the continued inability to develop pitching? Absolutely.
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Whoosh. Hard to tell around here sometimes. Compared to them the Twins kinda are, but 25 other franchises could probably make the same claim.
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They've also made the postseason twice in the 28 years the AL Central has existed, but yeah, exemplary franchise. I mean, c'mon...
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Did the Twins Find Value in Bundy and Archer?
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
If internal options weren't an absolute disaster Bundy would've been in serious jeopardy of losing his job in June. The Twins being forced to roll with him in the rotation isn't credit worthy. -
Did the Twins Find Value in Bundy and Archer?
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I think we're stretching the definition of value. Archer's short starts are torching an already overtaxed pen, and even with the short leash his meltdowns are so sudden it's nearly impossible to prevent damage. He's already made something like $5.5M based on appearance incentives, and 6 more starts will put him over $7M. There's no value there; the Twins are going to end up paying back end starter money to a guy that's a long relief arm at best. Bundy....eh. It took his last start against a hapless Angels team to sneak his ERA under 5. No, he hasn't been one of the worst starters in baseball, but the fact that we're even considering a bar that low kinda says it all. They're getting bargain bin production at a bargain bin price. If he's your worst starter on an otherwise solid staff, ok, fine. Unfortunately that isn't the case. -
2 runs in 3 games, both coming in the same inning, against a Twins staff that isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. A perpetual loser like KC throwing in the towel at the deadline and trotting out an even worse team for the last 2 months is great for the Twins, but terrible for baseball.
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Twins Giving Pagan a Leash to Hang Their Season
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Let's hope not, although it'd be entertaining to see the gaslighting necessary to convince a fanbase that next season won't be his 4th trash year in a row. Similar to Colome last season, there's literally no amount of production that'll justify bringing him back. The damage has already been done. -
Twins Giving Pagan a Leash to Hang Their Season
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
"Both Pagan’s xFIP and xERA are far better than the results have bore out thus far, but the caveat to expected stats is that they don’t matter until they’re actualized." Unless we're operating under the delusion Pagan has been "unlucky," with HRs for nearly 2 seasons now, his xFIP isn't all that relevant. Disagree as far as expected stats are concerned. Fix the pipe while it's dripping; don't wait for it to burst... -
Does it Matter How the Twins Reach the Postseason?
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
First it was get fat during that 2 week stretch against KC and DET in late May & early June, then it was 8 games against Cleveland in 10 days to provide separation in late June, next it was get to the AS break and rest, and finally it settled on the trade deadline a few weeks back. Now we're moving the goalposts into September?- 31 replies
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Where Did the Good Carlos Correa Go?
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
FA isn't a value play, so complaining about value, particularly in an apples to oranges comparison, is pointless. What seems misguided is how you're defining failure. Would the Twins be better with Jermaine Palacios and his sub .500 OPS starting? Would spending more prospect capital at the deadline for a SS, assuming the Twins were still in the race and one was available, have been the better solution? Even if Correa is a "failure," and ends up costing more than $8.5M per WAR, he's better than the alternative. Correa is third on the team in WAR, but we're bemoaning the guy's AAV while team payroll is down $10M from last season, and a vast majority of the core players are some combination of young/cheap/on team friendly deals? The Twins are winning games this year, Correa is obviously a big part of that, seems far from a "recipe for failure," to me. -
Where Did the Good Carlos Correa Go?
KirbyDome89 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Correa was a FA signing; that's an automatic overpay. Using a contract Polanco negotiated to buy out arbitration years as a baseline for 3-4 WAR production isn't remotely fair. Fangraphs also has the cost per WAR in FA this year at $8.5M, so if Correa gets to that 4 WAR mark the Twins are essentially getting what they paid for. I also expected more from Correa to this point, but I wouldn't call him a big disappointment. -
Me too, and it's because the second part of that sentence doesn't seem to be happening. Maybe (hopefully) this is the absolute low point, but is there any young pitcher that could be up this year or next that you feel great about right now? Maybe the kid they just drafted, a few tearing up A ball, but the group that was supposed to be breaking through this year has largely fallen apart. They've certainly done better in trades, mostly because they seem to target higher end arms that way. I'd stop short of calling Maeda a very good acquisition; he was great for 11 starts in a short '20, pretty bad last year and then injured, he'll miss most if not all of this season, and he'll be a 35 year old starter trying to bounce back from TJ next year. Maybe he kills it next year; it's not like Graterol has been a monster for LA either, so I'd certainly make a Kenta-esque trade again. There has to be a balance, and the FO needs to adapt in order to maintain that equilibrium. I think that's laregely been a failure on the pitching front.
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I wouldn't call it weak, I still expect them to win the division when it's all said and done. In fairness that has a lot to do with how little faith I have in CHI or CLE getting their s*** together, but yeah, perspective is important. Agreed, I see the low tier posts creeping into threads too, but there's some of the aforementioned perspective being lost if we're calling out a lack of positivity in single game threads right now.
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They have the 2nd worst pitching staff in baseball over the last month and they've been a sub .500 club struggling to tread water in an awful division since late May. How much good will are you expecting to find in some of these threads?
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The final score doesn't really show it, but the bullpen was pretty awful again tonight. Megill was bailed out by that dead ball play, Pagan once again allowed multiple base runners during a single inning of work, and Duffey did his best to give up a 6 run lead.
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The bargain bin SP signings (Archer and Bundy) haven't worked out. Pagan and Paddack were rebound candidates; Pagan hasn't and we know the Paddack story. I don't view Ober as a 2/3 at all, regardless, he's a near lock to miss time with injuries. Did they expect 150ish innings from him? The rest of that pen...woof. Staff construction was shaky from the jump. Then there's the pipeline, i.e. the reinforcements that were supposed to be pushing some of the projects aside. That's been a disaster. Hope, misplaced confidence, oversight, call it what you want, the reality is they gambled on 3/5 of the rotation + a contingency plan revolving around prospects, and neither have really shown up. Lucky for them they play in the AL Central because there's a decent chance they'd be selling if they were in any other division.
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I'm suggesting this team desperately needs established major league pitching for this season and beyond. You need to give in order to receive; only parting with potential 40 man casualties and clinging to depreciating assets isn't the remedy. They decided to cross their fingers and hope this year, that can't be the approach again, especially with what's going on with the pitching prospects. Failing to recognize and/or capitalize on opportunities is another great way to show yourself out.

