But would Rod Carew been a hall of famer had he hit .209? Or even as good as Kingman, I think he hit like .240 for his career. Would Carew have been a hall of famer then? So, I'm saying batting average means something for sure. I mean people pick on Kingman, saying he wasn't good defensively, but he played a majority of his career in the NL with no DH so he was able to get on the field at least most of the time. Kingman finished in the top 10 in HR's numerous times, he finished top 5 in HR's numerous times. I am obviously not saying he was better than Carew, but Carew was definitely no defensive gem by any means. In fact he was actually pretty sketchy also. What I'm getting at, is a guy like Kingman, most of the young people on here probably don't even know who the hell he is. However, with today's stats, if Kingman played in today's game, especially with the DH in both leagues, and the shift over the last few years, no steroids/hgh they'd probably be talking about him being a hall of famer in today's game. Back then he was basically a nobody.