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Are Homer Bailey and Rich Hill Really A Good Idea?
Hosken Bombo Disco commented on TwinsFan268's blog entry in You Shouldn't Have Lost
I am sure you are mistaken. Wheeler simply accepted the more desirable offer of two similar offers (Chicago’s was apparently a few million more for the same years). And even in Bumgarner’s case, if the Twins wanted to get creative, I think they could have attracted him here. Say, a 4/80 contract front loaded with an opt-out after two years. What is your opinion on a possible offer like that? -
Are Homer Bailey and Rich Hill Really A Good Idea?
Hosken Bombo Disco commented on TwinsFan268's blog entry in You Shouldn't Have Lost
I would have bundled up all that salary we are paying Hill, Bailey, and Pineda and applied it to either Bumgarner, Wheeler, or Ryu. But that’s just me. This all kind of feels like the 2017-2018 offseason, coming off the optimism from being in the Wild Card game, and then seeing the free agent signings be underwhelming (and I was against the two biggest signings that year, Morrison and Lynn). But give them credit for the Odorizzi trade that year. Can the FO pull a rabbit out of their hat and save the offseason somehow? -
Poppen’s pitches really move, and he gets mid 90s on his heater. Not him!
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I am glad you mentioned Poppen and Wells. Throw in Ober but probably not until next year. They are playing the numbers game with MLB-ready pitching and one or two of them are bound to work out well. However I still would rather bundle up all that salary committed to Hill/Bailey/Pineda and sign someone really solid. (Or past tense would have signed, since it’s not going to happen at this point)
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That was an acceptable result.
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Sounds good. However even in the Royals case, it wasn’t really trading prospects or signing outrageous free agent contracts for an “all-in” situation. They won 86 games in 2013, the season before their two-year reign atop the AL, and caught some unlucky breaks in 2016 and after. Even so, a Royals fan posted here recently that winning it all in 2015 would have been worth it either way http://twinsdaily.com/topic/35929-front-page-the-royals-problem-just-how-much-are-you-willing-to-give-up-to-win-a-world-series/?p=945663
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I agree with you about favoring the Cardinals model, but I respectfully disagree that it doesn’t matter how we talk about these things, as I think phrases like “sell the farm” and “mortgage the future” shows an unwillingness to even allow the conversation. Otherwise, I get it. Prospects are cool and I want them to do well too, and they are the most important ingredient to sustained success (but not the only ingredient). I would also like the front office to take a chance and make some bets on them, maybe trade one or two of the best ones while leaving the rest of the system intact, like other successful organizations do every year. Cheers!
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Not to pile on, but I'm not a fan of the Hill incentives, myself. There may actually be an incentive for Hill to rush back from his rehab or mis-state his progress in order to get to the mound sooner.
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I will disagree with you here. (Because of course I will, right!?) There was a plausible offer from the Mets last July of Buxton for Syndergaard. Kepler could have filled in in CF just fine for the remainder of 2019, probably beyond. Granted it’s unknowable to us if the ask for Buxton was negotiating point that the Mets could have been talked down from, or on the other side, of the ask for Buxton was more of a message like “go away, we ain’t trading Syndergaard” in response to rumors. The middle road here is to assume that Buxton-for-Syndergaard was legitimate. And Buxton (at least at that time) was a valuable asset. The same can’t be said for Jake Cave. The wild card here of course is disrupting the chemistry of the team like that in the middle of the race; Buxton and Kepler appear to be close teammates, to boot. But surely the front office under your scenario could still trade Buxton or Kepler this offseason—if it is “extremely valuable MLB assets” we are conditioning this on.
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That said, they might be advised to return Romero to the rotation at this point.
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Mine: 4. Eddie’s home run in 2015 on the first pitch. It felt like, there was finally something to look ahead to. 3. Opening Day in 2010—or as the above poster pointed out, the exhibition game before Opening Day, when fans could first walk through the gates to watch outdoor baseball. It was time to turn the page on the Metrodome and it had been a long perilous journey to get to outdoor baseball. 2. Dozier’s walk-off home in run 2015 right before the break, after being snubbed for the All Star game, and the Twins actually had one of the best records in the AL at that time, if I recall. Best baseball moment by far. 1. Mauer’s last inning in 2018, for all the reasons... We knew Mauer was retiring but I did not see that coming. .. I would have picked Opening Day as number one, but Mauer was around long before that, so he gets the top spot.
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I think the window opened in 2017, but I don’t think it will close... [counts to five]... I don’t think it will necessarily close in 2021. The Twins should be competitive for a long time. It would be nice to see something more than a division crown at some point. That’s not nothing, but they need to make a deep run in the postseason—at least into the ALCS. That’s what success looks like to the fans, regardless of what Twins brass tell themselves. In the next year or two, the Twins will need to extend Berrios and one or two of Graterol, Ober, Duran, or name your favorite, those will need to blossom as starters, plus some others developing and some supplementing via free agency, then things should be okay. (I still hold out hope for Tyler Wells in some role). Free agency will also need to be part of this.
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Fair enough. The White Sox signed the 7, 13, and 25 top free agents out of the Top 25 that offseason per MLBTR. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/2014-15-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions.html I don’t remember what the discussion was on Twins Daily. And my next question would be what the White Sox payrolls were in those years, as a percentage of revenues. Either way, I don’t think the 14-15 offseason has much bearing on what is happening now, except to say that the White Sox ownership appears willing to spend when they feel an opportunity is in front of them.
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Seems unremarkable, in my opinion.
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What year specifically are you referring to?
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I definitely agree Tim Anderson, but Moncada is a slugger entering his prime, and a dip in that guy’s babip doesn’t necessarily mean he’s due for a down season.
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Yeah, from 35,000 feet... .... I’d put Detroit at well more than 100 losses (by August 31), KC approaching 100 losses again, and honesty assuming the Twins have some regression from their historic all-time offensive season, probably the other three teams are a crapshoot.
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Almost the same money, one less year?
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“... was never going to come here.”
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Sure it would have. Bumgarner signed for 5/85. Do you think he would have listened to a slightly front-loaded contract offer for 4/81 with an opt-out after year two? Wheeler signed for 5/118. Do you think he would have listened to an offer for 4/112?
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Well then, what are your thoughts on the front office bringing back essentially the same exact players as last year, without adding anyone different?
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I think that's slightly unfair, as Mike usually expresses his yes/no opinions about free agents while other posters seem to wait in the weeds until after something happens, but I agree it would be nice to get the thread back on track. Trade, pivot, keep the powder dry.... I would trade. I just don't see any buy low opportunities right now. And the Twins are not exactly making calls from a position of strength right now. But I would offer up a Kirilloff or Dobnak/Lewis/Thorpe.
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Are you sure? I doubt it. My recollection is that it was either Buxton, or Lewis, as a headliner, not both. But based on media reporting, I don't think the Twins every took that offer seriously, nor did the fans here.
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Based on the front office’s failure to make competitive offers to good free agents, and the ridiculously team-friendly extensions to Kepler and Polanco who are entering their primes, it’s easy for me to assume the extension offer to Escobar was ridiculously low.
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He was on the decline, for sure.
