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I don’t think you can make such a conclusive statement without recognizing what other winning teams have done before suggesting well-run teams don’t trade away their top players. Would you say. Milwaukee would never do that and they are 53-32. Last year they had the best record in the league. They traded Corbin Burnes two years ago and Freddy Peralta this last off-season. OK, but Cleveland would never do that, right. Well, they traded for Kluber when he was a prospect and then traded him away and received Clause in return. They traded Lindor. Carlos Carrasco who was also acquired as a prospect was in the same trade with Lindor. Cleveland also traded away Josh Naylor. They acquired Carlos Santana, Yan Gomes, and even our own Grady Sizemore as prospects. Tampa is known for trading established players. I won’t go through the list. This last off-season St. Louis traded away Sonny Gray and Brandon Donovan while paying $20M for Gray to play for Boston. Granted, some of these moves were made in the off-season but one could argue that’s what the Twins should have been doing this off-season. You can't look at the success of these teams and conclude trading productive players is automatically bad.
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I am equally concerned with his play this year. He has not been great. Fedko's OPS is 175 points higher. He ranks 15th for the Saints. He needs to come back and step it up for a period of time. IDK if he even gets a chance this year. I would think Emma and Roden are ahead of him right now. I think we could see Roden fairly soon.
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I think you have interpreted the way I approached this to mean the only thing that counts is when an established player is traded for a guy that has no major league experience. I view Kriedler or Willi Castro the same way at least in the context of this discussion. When we talk about roster building here, we generally look at through a lens of 4 categories. 1. Drafted by the Organization, Free Agents, Trading prospects for established players or Trading established players for unproven players. There is another category of players like a Kriedler or Wiilli Castro. I guess I could have created a couple more categories but there just are not enough of those guys to make a couple more categories meaningful. Conceptually, the way we discuss acquiring players here, they are unproven just like all other prospects so that's where I put them. If you want to quibble about another category especially for them, OK. Would that change the percentage of players acquired as free agents or the percentage of production from established players acquired for prospects.? Of course, the answer is that those categories would not change at all. The difference is you would have another category of players that were unproven when acquired. Add all those categories of unproven players up and you have the exact same result.
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I think this would be pretty darn close to the over/under if Vegas had odds on it. I would have to wait and see what he does the rest of the season to decide on the over or under.
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2023 was Jenkins draft year so it would be expected that he would not have played many games so we are really talking about 2 1/2 years. You still have a point but Jenkins history is not that long.
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You will have to elaborate. What statistical bias would be present by using a data set comprised of the highest WAR players or in this case generally the 10-12 highest producing players. I was looking to identify how the highest producing players were acquired. How could that result in statistical bias. Where is the issue with how the study was structured? If you want to conclude it's all about development, OK but the fact remains the majority of production does not come from free agency or trading for established players for the most successful modest revenue teams.
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The Yankees actually match up pretty well. They have 3 or 4 prospects that would be a good return.
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Do you have any data to support this assertion? Having heard this often, I collected the acquisition method of every player over 1.5 WAR for every single 90-win team with below average revenue for the past 25 years. It's not universally true that those teams had a major influence from prospects acquired in trade. However, on average prospects acquired in trade contributed as much as prospects that were drafted and those two categories combined accounted for 80-90% of WAR for the most successful organizations. It's an assumption of many that trading current MLB players for prospects diminishes the chances of building a playoff team. History suggests the opposite. Trading for established players has by far the smallest role in building a winning team among organizations with below average revenue.
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I knew I was missing someone. Walner is somehow out of sight out of mind right now even though I watch a lot of Saints games. Anyway .... I agree. Good catch.
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For me, assuming a good return, the list of guys I want most to trade, the order goes something like this ..... Joe Ryan Ryan Jeffers Trevor Larnach Bailey Ober Anthony Banda Kody Clemmons Byron Buxton if it's an enormous haul. Of course, he has to waive his NTC.
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I made a statement about success over the past 20 years and your response is anecdotal evidence from one game. Cleveland has had eight 90 win seasons in the past 20 years. Tampa has nine. The Twins have 3. I am not sure if you are unaware of the roster management / trading practices of these teams or simply ignore how they operate because you don't like the implications. Either way, I just don't think we should ignore how successful teams operate. I especially don't believe we should follow practices that are basically the opposite of what has made these teams successful.
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IDK. Bell has an OPS 0f .853 for the last 6 eeks. I agree that they should be more concerned about building a sustainable roster but it would be a bad look if the jettison him when he is hitting quite well. Find a trade partner, even if the return is very modest.
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Just my observation. His approach was not great six weeks ago. I think he would have been exposed pretty quickly at the ML level. He had a .683 OPS in April. .947 in May and .971 since May 1. He has been really good for long enough that it's about time. However, it is possible they are putting the final polish on the work they have been doing. They also might have been contemplating swapping roster spots with Keaschall. IDK but I sure hope Culpepper is here soon. He is my favorite prospect.
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Do you pay any attention at all to how other organizations outside the top 10 in revenue build a winning team? For teams that can't buy a team, there is absolutely no way to construct a winning team without developing players like Culpepper. You are yearning for max Kepler while demeaning players like Culpepper. Try taking a look around the league. The Rays, White Sox, and Mariners are in in first place. How did they get there? Man, you seem to work fulltime at ignoring reality.
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I think it's coming soon. I have watched about 1/2 of the Saints games. Culpepper just keeps getting better. He was chasing too many bad pitches not long ago. My guess is they are just trying to refine the approach a little more before sending him to the show and he is looking pretty darn refined. He is a really important piece.
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What is the basis for you Clemmons opinion. He is in the 78th percentile for batting Run Value and the 68th percentile for fielding. That's a pretty valuable player on any team when I guy can play that many positions. I would love to see the day when we get to a point where we have 8 position player that are so good that Clemmons can't contribute. Until then, Clemmons has a role on this team. Would In trade him for the right deal? Sure, but that's true for pretty much any player.- 31 replies
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Because Kepler is no longer and above average defender and he is below average offensively. Oh and there is the fact that he got suspended. We are not Missing Wallner either but to suggest we are missing Kepler just boggles my mind. Kepler would be the equivalent of Josh Bell in terms of a wasted roster spot given the number of OFers we have that could actually be a long-term solution.
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He will only have value if he continues to play at or near this level for the next 6 weeks. I doubt there will be much support for moving him if that's still the case. Of course, if a team offered a return consistent with a player with 3 years of service remaining who was expected to continue to perform at that level, that would be a different story. That just does not seem to be a likely scenario. Great but unlikely.
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I think the better short-term solution at 1B is to let Clemmons play there full-time. He has simply been much better than Lewis offensively and I doubt Lewis could match him defensively. I think of Clemmons as a good bench player because of his versatility and what has basically been an average bat. However, after a weak first month, OPS is .863 since the last week in April. Why do we want to insist Clemmons can't grow into a well-above average player. He has been for the past 6 weeks. If he is just average over the next 6 weeks, go grab whoever is the hottest between Mendez / Sabato / Gonzalez, or Fedko. Of course, you could also DFA Bell and bring up one of these guys right now.
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IDK, I might be in LF on this one but I think Ben Ross might be more likely tom be called up. He has a .990 OPS the last month. He is also a good defender and can literally play any position except catcher. I would much prefer to see him get a shot over Outman. Ross has a low probability of sticking but Outman is a near zero probability.

