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  1. The 1st thing they need to do if we are to compete is buy a BP to replace the guys they traded. That would pretty much take up their entire budget. Of course, we would just put the team back to where they started from with last year's terrible team, minus Correa. Sounds like the same old thing. Go get Bichette on top of a BP and that would be better than Correa so we theoretically would be a couple games better than last year. Big deal! That team might have a chance to be 500 and basically stay in the race until August if several players perform far better and of course good health. Does anyone believe they are going to spend $175M? Would they and should they replace players like Lewis, Lee, and Martin. Should they abandon Martin, Roden, Rodriguez, Gonzalez, and Culpepper. Outside of Martin . none of these guys is ready to contribute now and if they sign a big free agent or sign for an established star these guys are not starting on a ML roster. How are they going to pursue a post season berth differently if they are not going to spend big and trade away our best prospects to fill the holes in the OF, 3B, and SS? Of course, 1B is not exactly a strength either?
  2. Easier said than done. It's really tough to trade for a really good SS and the cost is going to be extremely high. I could not think of a good SS that was acquired in trade all of last year. Looking through all the Transactions for SS, I don't see an established SS on this list that would make a difference. Even if you could find one, It would take Jenkins plus to get a good SS which makes no sense given all the other holes in this roster, especially if they believe Culpepper can stick at SS. Here are the top SS by WAR. I only went down to #20 but 10 were drafted by their team and 10 were acquired as free agents. The teams with money bought their SS the teams without money who have a good SS drafted them. (Regular & International)
  3. I hope not. If you were to look at successful mid-market teams, you will find that trading for established players has a very small role in building a playoff team. Trading for prospects produces literally 4X more WAR. That kind of trade is a good idea when a final piece is needed. That scenario is the antithesis of this team.
  4. OK. Are we talking about trading prospects or major league ready pitching for a well-proven guy with 2 years of control or are talking about trading Lopez or Ryan for a high profile prospect or a guy with 1 year of experience to compliment Keaschall / Jenkins.
  5. The problem could be perspective, but this is all so generic that it's hard to put in perspective. It sounds like you are advocating replacing more than 1 position player. Which positions? I assume you're talking about established players. Which SPs are you willing to give up because filling two positions with established players good enough to bring this team into contention would cost a lot of prospects. Then, you also need to come up with plan to fill all the BP spots because teams can't contend without a BP.
  6. No doubt it would help a bunch if they could get more out of the young guys you mentioned but I would prefer they trade Larnach. He would take playing time away from the numerous guys that have the potential to be part of the long-term solution. Where Bell is concerned. Signing anyone to a one year at this juncture needs to contribute significantly to contention. If you are going to forego the return on Ryan/Lopez, you better put together a team with a real shot at the playoffs. It's really hard to see Bell as that kind of move. I really don't understand what it is they are trying to accomplish.
  7. I get it but it's kind of a catch 22. They have holes at 1B/SS/3B/RF and several BP positions. $25M for one of the top guys leaves us with a lot of holes. Not to mention, one of those top guys is not coming to this this mess without a significant overpay.
  8. IDK what other teams make of him and IDK what to think myself. I want to believe but it's been a while since he has been good. I do know I will be cheering hard for him to regain his old form.
  9. I thought the same thing until someone pointed out he hit really well the 2nd half last year. I suppose he could have just got hot but we also know he made some adjustments that impacted bat speed. IDK enough about the specifics to believe or not believe those adjustments will produce results similar to the 2nd half of last year when he was quite good. His 2023-25 numbers are completely uninspiring but those 2nd half numbers following swing changes put things in a slightly different light.
  10. Thanks for pointing out his 2nd half. Was this a result of the adjustments he made? IDK but at least it gives us some hope. Just looking at his 2023-2025 does not inspire confidence. However, he produced a wRC+ of 139 the 2nd half of 2025. It's a smart signing if he can replicate the results of those adjustments in 2026.
  11. Lewis playing like he once did would be huge. When a guy like that is down management should be propping him up anyway they can. Apparently, Lewis really needs to feel important and management should know their personnel well enough to give them what they need. However, without knowing exactly why Royce does not feel important in the clubhouse, it's very hard to tell if it's an organizational problem or a Royce problem. He was the hero a lot early on. Is he just missing the spotlight? IDK but it sounds like Shelton understands what Royce needs and hopefully he can help him get back on track. He may turn out to be no more than an average player but it costs nothing to treat him well.
  12. When did I ever suggest teams don't need elite players? I have given may examples and I would guess all of the examples have elite players. The question is how were the other contributing players acquired because we know from examples like the Angels or even this year's twins team that a couple of ewlite players is not nearly enough. You are reaching a silly conclusion in order to support a narrative instead of actually looking at the hard facts I provided. It's not an opinion that 44% of Cleveland's WAR came from players acquired as prospects. How often do we hear that it takes an entire roster to win. Therefore, we should ask how all of the players that contributed significantly were acquired should we not? Shouldn't we ask how a team like the Guardians been successful? They do in fact have one elite player that has provided multiple seasons of elite performance. I doubt anyone on this board would suggest he is not a huge part of their success. We also all know from examples like the Angels that a superstar or even two are not nearly enough. Shouldn't ask how the most successful modest revenue teams assemble enough talent to contend. Why ignore all the other information that tells us how they were successful? BTW … The Guardians have had a few players other than Rameriz over the past decade contribute 4 WAR to playoff teams. Kwan, Gimenez, Sanatana, Bieber, and Clevinger all had one 4 WAR season. Lindor, and Kluber had two so they had a total of 9 players reach 4 WAR in 5 seasons. 5 of the 9 were produced by players acquired as prospects, the others were drafted. They no doubt would not have been successful without Rameriz, Do you think they would not have been successful had they not acquired several other key players as prospects?
  13. Think back to the free agents that had the most support here. Hoskins was the bat and Montgomery was the arm. We would not have been any better. Yes, they should not have dialed back the spending but the assertion that spending would have made a big difference is not necessarily true. Santana was actually better than Hoskins and Montgomery sucked. Had they made those two popular moves they would have been worse.
  14. You need to elaborate because I am not sure what you are getting at. Are you suggesting that other modest revenue teams that reached the playoffs did so because they acquired players that produced 4 WAR? If the other Brewers teams I listed we ca look at other successful franchises and determine the relative impact of trading for prospects. In the past 25 years, the Guardians have had seven 92 win teams and the Rays have six. Players acquired as prospects produced 40% of the Rays WAR and 44% for the Guardians. How many of those teams do you suppose make the playoffs without the players they acquired as prospects?
  15. The Brewers won 92 games in 2023 and traded Burnes that winter. The next season they won 93 games. The two teams were not in remotely similar situations which is why we are discussing if a rebuild is the best idea. We would not be having that conversation had the Twins won 92 games.
  16. They had exactly one player eclipse 4 fWAR last year. Were all of the other players irrelevant to producing 97 wins? They had two 4+ WAR players in 2024. (Contreras & Adames) Both acquired in trades. Contreras 2023. Contreras has less than 600 ABs when acquired and had produced a total of 2 WAR so he basically had Julien's pedigree when acquired. Even Yehlich has not produced 4 WAR in the past 6 years.
  17. Cleveland, Tampa, and Milwaukee have been sustaining success by routinely trading established players for prospects. The 2025 Brewers had 13 players with 1.5+ WAR. 7 of them were acquired by trading established players. Their top 3 SPs by WAR were all acquired in trade. I think it's very reasonable to say that trading Ryan / Lopez and perhaps Buxton would have a good chance of producing well above average major league players. The Twins will have that much less talents for 6-7 years post 2027. That's the cost. If the gain is a couple of years of very good teams but I don't think it's reasonable to believe marginal improvements to a terrible team will produce a playoff run.
  18. Could not agree more. So many factors screamed rebuild. Let's start with they are coming off a season where they were among the very worst in the league. They only have 2 years left on the couple of good assets they have and they are not willing/able to spend what it would take to upgrade this team. We also really need a couple more impact prospects if we are going to seriously contend in the next several years. Modest improvements won't cut it. They have a major rebuilding of the BP required and several SPs who are candidates to transition. That takes time. They need to invest a lot of innings in guys transitioning. The also need to evaluate several OFers. That's also an investment in playing time. They have three great prospects near ready but not immediately ready and they have a couple guys in Roden and Martin that deserve a look. They have a great SS prospect near ready. They also have several young SPs ready or near ready which also requires investment in terms of allocating IP. That's a lot of pieces that need upgrading. Pretending to compete and fitting prospects instead of committing will significantly diminish the opportunity to make meaningful improvements in the team/ What's really frustrating is they could be a very interesting team by the start of 27 if they would commit to building a winner instead of the same inability to commit that has made us perennially mediocre or worse.
  19. As you say, if the rumors are true, they are plugging the biggest holes which are the BPO and 1B. SS is obviously week as well but they are not signing a free agent if they believe in Culpepper. That would make no sense unless they are willing to spend a lot more for the next several years. If they can shore up the BP and inject Culpepper and Jenkins fairly early in the year, they could have a pretty good team the 2nd half. Assuming of course Culpepper and Jenkins make the jump successfully and they shore up the BP. Shoring up the BP to the point of contending by spending $10-12M is not going to happen unless a couple of the guys transitioning from starting are great. This plan looks destined to be a fringe playoff team. Based on the "rumors" this seems to be the goal of this organization.
  20. Clemens is at least as good both offensively and defensively. What would be gained. Lee should get a chance to prove he can be better than he was last year. However, his best role on a team with a real shot at contending is probably utility infielder.
  21. Let's sum this up. Move a good 3B defender with a wRC+ of 85 to 1st base to replace a guy with a 98 wRC+ so that you can put a guy with a 81 wRC+ at 3B. The end result is an entire infield of below average hitters and you have not improved the defense in 3 of the 4 spots. Of course, you don't just go and get a SS that can both defend and hit. Plus, apparently, you have the best player (Keaschall) on the bench. This does not sound like a recipe for success to me. Sounds like a recipe for mediocrity at best.
  22. We have a difference of opinion on when Culpepper will be ready. I believe he is near ready and could be promoted by the halfway point this year. The other difference is you are trying to make the most of this year. I would argue that trading away our best SP for a 1B would not make us any better but that's not the point. My interest is in building a real contender. IMO, it would take dramatically increased spending, great health, several players improving, and a couple trades to get this team to be a fringe contender this year. There is always the risk a rebuild does not work out. That said, I like our chances once Culpepper, Jenkins, and Rodriguez get a shot. I like those chances even better if we could add a couple really good prospects to mix via trading Ryan and Lopez as well as the 3rd pick next year. Hopefully, there is a standout college player that can be here by 28 along with Tait. Get a MLB ready middle infielder by trading Ryan and start the 2027 season with that player plus Culpepper as middle Infielders. Keashall and 1B, Lewis at 3B. An outfield of Buxton / Jenkins and two of Rodriguez / Gonzalez / Roden / Martin. That has the potential to be a much more talented and athletic team. Add a couple more prospects in by trading Lopez at the deadline this year, Tait could be here by mid year 2027. Spend 2026 transitioning SPs to the BP and that problem is greatly diminished by 2027 as well. The 2027 team could be pretty darn good and by 2028 they should field a team with a real shot.
  23. Lee is never going to be a good defensive SS. Play him there until Culpepper is ready. Trade Ryan if you can get a very good / major league ready or near ready middle infielder and move Keaschall into a 1B/OF role. Now you have a great / cost controlled INF for the next 6 years.
  24. Thumbs up, you actually showed your assumptions and did some accounting. The norm here is to take a position that the Pohlads are cheap while offering absolutely nothing to back that position. I spent a few hours a couple years ago doing what you did in terms of trying to piece together the financials. I came to the same conclusion as you.
  25. I have been critical of their lack of focus on athleticism for a long time. So, I agree with you in part but a lot of guys failing to stick at SS is the norm. They picked a guy (miller) that could definitely stick and he could not hit. They guys that are sure to stick and are great defensively is a very small subset. I think there are a lot of guys picked that every teams hope they can make into a major league SS with the knowledge these same guys with a good bat can play good defense in a different position. That's a lot better than a guy who can't stick at a corner OF spot because the only spot for him is DH. Point being there is a good fallback position for a failed SS which is why so many of them are drafted. It would be interesting to see the number of SS drafted compared to other positions.
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