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How Far Has the Twins Rotation Fallen?
Woof Bronzer replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Others may be forgetting that the Twins did not trust Ryan to start G1 of the ALDS on full rest.- 79 replies
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Daily reminder that since 1991 only 1 team with a payroll lower than 18th has won a Series. Spending does not guarantee you a World Series; not spending enough almost guarantees you won't a Series. "Spending wisely and keeping our system full" has resulted in one ALCS appearance in 3 decades.
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Oakland looking at minor league ballparks for a temporary home
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This is so laughably false you can't possibly believe it. The Dbacks have the same situation as the Twins this offseason and chose to invest. The Padres, in a much smaller market, made major investments a couple years ago. The Royals, much smaller market, just spent $300 mil and have the highest payroll in the Central. Not to mention the Cardinals, probably the best comparable to the Twins in terms of market. Their business model for decades has been long term sustainability - I think last year was the first time in 20 years they were below 500 - and as a result they have one of the most loyal fanbases in the sport and a very consistent revenue stream. These teams made drastically different business decisions than the Pohlads, who chose to pocket the unanticipated playoff revenue, cut payroll, make the team worse, and dampen the enthusiasm of a fan base who just witness the first playoff win in decades.
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Yes, because the Pohlad's prioritize short term profits over long term sustainability - due to greed - they refuse to consistently invest appropriately in the product on the field, leading to a lesser product and accordingly less attendance/revenue. Do you think revenue is static? There's X amount of dollars in each market and the team gets that X every year regardless of success, marketing, etc? Please explain then how the 1988 Twins drew 3 million fans and the 2023 Twins drew under 2 million.
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I think the vast majority of fans do not care about simply winning the worst division in sports, or at least they don't anymore after how many seasons of winning the Central and then faceplanting in the playoffs. At some reason you have to have postseason success. The Twins drew 2 mil in 87 and 3 mil in 88. Fans care about the playoffs.
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Do the Twins Have Baseball’s Best Bullpen?
Woof Bronzer replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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Just so everyone understands, since 1991 only 1 team with a payroll ranked lower than 18th in the league won the World Series. Spending does not guarantee you a title; not spending enough practically guarantees you won't win one. I think the assumption that the Twins are going to walk away with this division is extremely short sighted. I'm sure the same assumption was in play in 2011. And 2021. Windows always close faster than you think.
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They won a division that literally no other team tried to win (in fact Cleveland and Chicago actively tried to lose) They "advanced" in a playoff round that did not exist for baseball's first 120 years. Minnesota sports always has the lowest bar imaginable, but "FO is now untouchable after 1 playoff win in 7 years" is about as low as it gets. Dream bigger!
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Literally no one brought up the road vs home thing at the time and no front office cares about small sample size pitcher wins as a meaningful metric. (I'm guessing Ober was better at home too, as are most Twins pitchers given the friendly confines of Target Field.) If a pitcher can only be trusted at home then he can't be trusted period. You don't get to pick where you play the games.
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This is just not accurate. Business today is all about maximizing stockholder value or profits. (Recall Milton Friedman: "a corporation's only duty is to create profits for its shareholders" Big wigs who don't demonstrate immediate returns get fired. There is no long view. Ask, I don't know, the Pohlads, who do not seem to understand that investing in the team may cost money now but may also create a new generation of lifetime fans. It's all about short term profits for them.
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Those are fantasy ranking and can be summarily ignored. No one on the planet thinks Ryan and Ober would be #1 starters on a different team. The Twins certainly don't; they didn't trust Ryan to start game 1 of the ALDS on full rest. That is much more meaningful in terms of how the Twins value him than fantasy baseball ratings.
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Reading is hard. "And the D-backs are not yet done. They still have the payroll flexibility to add a right-handed-hitting designated hitter and make some minor additions to the bullpen." "As of today the Diamondbacks' payroll is estimated to be anywhere between $137-$143 million depending on the source and method of calculation. Already surpassing 2018's previous franchise high of $131 million, there has been much speculation about exactly how much higher ownership is willing to go. Ken Kendrick indicated following the Gurriel press conference they are not done spending yet, but declined to offer a specific number. It's been speculated by some that the number is $150 million, which would leave them between $7-13 million left to spend on free agents or absorb in trades." I can't imagine being so triggered by criticism of your favorite team that you must pretend that every other team acts in the exact same manner, forget how to read, and make up an alternative reality that fits your narrative. But hey, you can be whatever kind of fan you want to be. You do you! Have a good one.
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Here's a couple more links for your reading pleasure: https://www.si.com/mlb/diamondbacks/analysis/whats-next-for-the-diamondbacks-offseason https://www.mlb.com/news/dbacks-offseason-as-impressive-as-october I'll leave you with a direct quote from the Dbacks president: “We’d like to think we can have greater revenue streams going into next season, when more people want to come out and watch our team play,” Kendrick said. “And we’re going to re-invest. The Diamondbacks are going to go on the field this year with the highest payroll in the history of the team." Imagine anyone associated with the Twins saying this. You should seriously ask yourself why you defend this organization so desperately that you have to create an alternative reality to suit your narrative.
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The market has nothing to do with the Twins deciding to cut payroll. No one forced them to do that. The Dbacks are increasing payroll from last year and they have the same exact tv uncertainty we do. Reducing payroll and getting worse was a choice that the Twins made. We also traded for Mahle and Lopez and those were disasters. That's the thing, trades don't always work out. Relying solely on trades to improve your roster is basically rolling the dice.
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I too wish the Twins would show interest in building a consistent winner. I also think there are plenty of spots to spend $30mil (ahem, pitching) - seems like you are suggesting the team is so stacked they couldn't find a way to spend it. Which would be a take.
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To this fan at least, it makes zero sense to sign Correa to the biggest FA deal in team history and then after one year cut payroll and get worse. What's the point of signing a guy like that if you aren't really interested in consistently building a winning team around him during the length of the contract? Seriously, if it's all about the payroll just sign a scrap heap SS and spend the savings on other assets, pitching in particular.
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Not to speak for the poster, but I think a person can have 2 thoughts at the same time. 1) Correa is better than Brooks Lee at this point in their careers, and quite possibly Lee will never be the player Correa is/was. 2) under self-imposed salary constraints, allocating 1/4 of the team's payroll to 1 player isn't sustainable or particularly intelligent (especially given Correa's health issues), and the difference between Correa and Lee isn't enough to justify a premium north of $30 mil.
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