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  1. Lewis (24 in June), Rodriguez (20 in a week or do), Winder (26), Julien (24 in April), and Maeda (35) Besides Rodriguez and Lewis to a lesser extent I would hardly classify these players as the pipeline. Julien could become a solid player and Winder is only a couple of years younger than Burnes. With that said I see little to no chance the Brewers making that trade, I see them asking for Ryan and Lee, or Ryan, Lewis, Julien or SWR and a really young pitcher. I would not make any of those trades without a extension, but with an extension, I like the original one and the last one I wrote.
  2. What does this even mean? If he isn't wildly successful in AA he won't be rushed because he isn't even on the 40 man, if he is wildly successful and there is room on the major league roster he should be put on the 40 man and moved up. I like Lee and love that he just turned 22 at the beginning of February, which means he has some time before he just becomes another 24 year old minor league prospect. I believe by mid summer we here on TD will be begging the Twins to bring him up because he is doing so well!
  3. As of today that is a very, very weak offensive/Defensive team. that team is basically filled with completely unproven players at every position except SS and CF (Injury prone) (maybe catcher I guess), that along with Gray, Mahle and less so Maeda being free agents has the look of a rebuilding team. On the other hand if Lee, Lewis, Julien, Martin, Wallner, SWR, and a couple of pitching prospects do well (and AK fully healthy) it has the looks of a very competitive team for 5-7 years. It is good to dream!
  4. At no point should a prospect be rated #2 in any system where he is used as a fill in for a couple of years at the age of 24 (He turns 24 in June). If he is good enough to be ranked #2 (and I believe he is) here is a list of players that should take a back seat to him (Gordon, Miranda, Gallo, Wallner, Larnach, Kepler, AK, and possibly Polanco if he isn't playing well) if he is playing well, you find a spot on the field for a talent like that and currently only Correa and Buxton (and maybe AK if fully healthy) have his level of talent, so you find a spot for him 3B, 2B, 1B, LF, or right field, there is ZERO reason (if playing well) for him to be in the minors or behind the guys I listed above.
  5. I believe there is no reason Rodriguez, Ray, Prielipp couldn't be up before 25, and Canterino will be 27 in 25. If he stays healthy this year and pitches like he has he seems like a guy that could be called up this year.
  6. A 19 year old kid with a 1045 OPS is very impressive at any level.
  7. First besides 8 starts in 2020, I would disagree that Maeda has proven to be better than him. Second I didn't say he had to be in the rotation, What are you preserving a 28 year old pitcher for?
  8. Ober will be 28 in July, there is no reason he should be pitching in the minors, NONE!
  9. Why not the cheaper option Moran (He will 26 in two months, if he isn't good enough he is just taking up a spot on the 40)? or Duran or Theilbar? To me Hand is the type of relief pitcher you go get at the deadline (or before) if you need bullpen help and he has proven he is still good to decent on a bad team.
  10. I like that he going to pitch the season at age 20. Hopefully he stays healthy works on a third pitch and dominants. And he is on the radar for a MLB promotion in 24 or 25 at the latest, To me he is a real prospect, young with I assume great stuff that has a chance to be real good (I also admit that failure is the most likely outcome for this type of prospect)
  11. I would add, Stud pitcher? What has Mahle ever done to be considered a stud pitcher? He has been decent to good (in 2021 he started 33 games and pitched 180 innings, that isn't stud that is durable), and I hope he is amazing this year, but lets stop with the exaggerating of things, please.
  12. I think he should be competing with AK and Larnach for a major league job. The Twins seem to have a bunch of older prospects that people are expecting huge things from, not sure I am so optimistic guys in their mid 20's figuring it out to become solid major players.
  13. He was 8 -0 with a .94 ERA agaisnt KC and Detroit, and 5-8 with a 4.80 ERA against everybody else. He could be a future ace but he must get better against teams that aren't running out an AAA lineup. I hope and think he can but until he does, he will continually have to prove he deserves to be a starting pitcher.
  14. I don't accept that we need to change (or at least me) definition of ace, because that means us fans we are OK with teams taking out pitchers like, Kershaw, Verlander, Santana, Bieber, etc.. after 5/6 innings because of some crazy stats that include pitchers of all ilk. If teams really start taking out the best starting pitchers on the planet and using them the same way teams use pitchers like Bundy for example makes baseball worse off. As a 50 year old imagine if we didn't get to see the greatness of pitchers like Johnson, Maddux, Pedro, Santana, Glavine, Clemens, Verlander, Kershaw and many, many others?
  15. So giving Gray credit for games he didn't pitch, but not giving the others the same latitude Woodruff (27 games), Cortes (28 games), Wheeler (26 games), Castillo (25 games) to the others seems like a huge stretch, especially since Gray hasn't been that pitcher in a while. I am good with what Gray is, and hoping he becomes a guy a guy that is pitching into the 7th or 8th just about every start is probably setting yourself up for failure.
  16. IMO prospects ranking based on the odds they become All Star type players or how they compare to other players of similiar ages and skills. Like I said Dozier bucked the odds by becoming an all star one time, IMO middle infielders tend to be done earlier is because they lack some of the skills needed to play into their middle or late 30's and can be replaced by younger cheaper talent and when they come up in their mid 20's their career will tend to be shorter. I mentioned in another thread why Arraez wasn't a highly ranked prospect (lack of power, lack of speed and lack of position) and as he proved his bat to ball skills played against tougher competition he moved up the rankings and was in the majors at age 22.
  17. Dozier didn't make the list because he was considered old for a prospect, he didn't debut until he was 25, he bucked the odds with 3 great years 2 good years and 2 good years and was done by age 32. He is one of the better players ever to debut at 25, which should be a reminder to all when you are talking about prospects this age that aren't in the majors you really should be realistic and think they could be role players. If you look at that list, look how many players are still playing and at a high level, sure they missed on some, (who is Brett Jackson at 27?) Looks at the players that are still playing at an all star level. Harper, Trout, Darvish, Machado, Cole, Arendado, guys ranked in the top 13. That doesn't include guys ranked lower, Wheeler, Rizzo, Lindor, Yelich, Bell, Springer.... You can basically bet if guys don't end up nationally ranked they won't ever be all stars, yes they miss some but again the odds say......
  18. Hard to argue with any of those besides catcher, I am taking Perez for sure. What is really shows is how terrible the division is and how the bad where the Twins the last two years.
  19. Correct, Arraez was a high average player with no speed, no position and no power. So he slowly moved up the lists when he showed he could hit pitching at any level, I don't think they prospect rankings got him wrong, that type of player doesn't project to be an all star type player, He has proved them wrong but I would still not bet on players like that going forward.
  20. I think #7 is fair for him, if he does what we hope he does he moves up to the top 2 next year if Lewis and Lee are in the majors. (Maybe even if Lee isn't) If he has a set back or something goes wrong he drops down in the low teens. To me that is generally how the rankings go, based on upside (with some stats to back it up)
  21. He needs to get innings in this year (and be real good) and then fly though the system next year so that he is knocking on the door of the majors late next year or early 25, otherwise he just turns into another25 year old pitching prospects that nobody feels comfortable giving a starting job to. (He could be one of those rate pitchers that really take off in their mid to late 20's because of how little he actually has pitched, but again that is very, very rare) Good luck to him!
  22. Please can we stop comparing Wallner and Gallo (I hated the signing), Gallo got more major league action as a 21 year old than Wallner did as a 24 year old. Gallo was an all star his age 25 season, Wallner is unlikely to make the opening day roster at age 25. IMO Wallner isn't even a prospect (or barely is one) anymore, he is 25, sure he can make some tweaks here and there to be better, but you just don't see players this age transforming into something different than what they are. Which is the same reason I hated the Gallo signing, he is 28 and getting worse.
  23. IMO, When looking at prospects; age is huge indicator of future success, Wallner is 25 with 65 major league at bats, and history shows that type of player never turns into anything other then a possibly starting player but not an all star type player. Where as a 19 year old SS with skills has a much better chance (still not great) to be an all star type player. Still in Salas case if he ended up like Gordon that would be an amazing success story.
  24. agreed, maybe us fans should be shooting higher than a guy that blew close to 25% of his save/hold chances. I like Jax and think he will be a good relief pitcher, but I am hoping for a relief core that is all better than Jax last year.
  25. Well I fully expect Maeda to be limited to start the season 50-75 pitches for at least a few starts, and it reality I think all the starters will be limited to start the season 60 - 85 or so. (Not saying that is a bad thing, just how it usually goes) and there could be a few times the run up that pitch count in 3 or 4 innings and will need guys to pick up the slack. When things get rolling I am hoping they get at least 5 innings every start and 6 most nights and then you won't need as many multiple innings guys, but to start the season I think it is better to have more than run 4 pitchers out there 3 nights in a row. As far a Ober, I give him another chance to be a starter and if he can't hold up, move him to the pen or move on from him. As for the 35 year old Maeda besides for about 8 games in 20 he hasn't done much to prove he belongs in the rotation. He is a free agent at the end of the year they don't owe him anything, so I make him prove he belongs back in the rotation.
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