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The Pohlads will explore selling the team
tony&rodney replied to Vanimal46's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
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It is difficult to ascertain how teams value their catchers. Few people thought that Boston would give up Teel but they chose to keep Anthony (OF), Mayer (SS), and Campbell (IF/OF) above Teel. Milwaukee has less need of pitching today than yesterday but perhaps Brooks Lee for Jeferson Quero works for them. Quero is a little scary coming off of shoulder surgery but his defense is top shelf and the Twins need a catcher .... eventually.
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Duran bats left-handed. Where Duran would really help is being a buddy to the pitchers turning those fly ball base hits into outs.
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The return will determine whether a trade should be completed. If Jarren Duran is available (I highly doubt this) for a starter or Jordan Lawler is available (also extremely unlikely) for a closer then a move is possible. sure hope the bar is equal in any exchange because the Twins don't need any more extra players.
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Oh I agree that the Twins have been proactive and kept the catching situation healthy by splitting duties. It is still good fortune/luck to go two seasons with just these two guys. Catching is incredibly hard on the body. I was a pitcher who wound up catching 100 plus games as a fill in. Tomorrow I go in for my fourth surgery on my knees (two each). Fun, but paying the price now. Until I actually caught two nine inning games back to back I didn't really know how hard it is on the body.
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Don't think so. White Sox are adding as many pieces as possible to find out who can play. Three catchers are almost always needed to get through a 162 game season. The Twins have been incredible fortunate the last two seasons.
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The Twins should present their case to Sasaki and his agent. It can't hurt. Spend a day putting together a brochure and presentation that highlights the organization and everything it can offer to support and develop the young pitcher. The odds are pretty much the same as in the recent draw for draft order.
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I read that story and wondered if Arraez can four- four peat myself. But then I also saw that the Padres were open for discussions on Dylan Cease. I wondered if San Diego and Minnesota could work out a trade of pitchers. The thought is just a thought and a bit risky but would the Padres exchange Dylan Cease and Bryan Hoeing for Joe Ryan and Jorge Alcala? Would the Twins? Naturally, this means the Twins are now further away from $130 million but this seems like something ..... or not.
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The Twins can trade either of their catchers and save some money, but before they subtract a catcher they need someone to take the spot. At the very least if someone goes, another quick move needs to follow, meaning an agreement to add a catcher was already in place more or less. It is really hard to play baseball without a catcher and it isn't like just anyone can even catch MLB pitchers. Seems like the Twins will be checking back with everyone in early January after the majority of free agents have settled with various clubs and teams are searching for trade opportunities.
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Ah, football and baseball are different sports. Have you ever stood in sleet during a baseball game at 30 degrees F? I hope you were smart enough to stay home.
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These are both legitimate points. There is another factor too. I absolutely love Target Field and know it is fit into a tiny piece of land, but some type of Dome that disappeared when pulled back would have been a huge plus. The facility could have been used much more often and people would know that it would not be crazy in April or October (although recently our Octobers have been beautiful). Alas, it would have cost twice as much. I'm not loving games when the temperatures are cold.
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The facts are that Calvin struggled to juggle his money in the early 1970s. He was never a rich man in the sense of the average owner today. He was a different dude. You could sit down and talk baseball with him for an hour. The Vikings and the NFL solidified their TV contracts and began to become hugely popular around the same time as the Twins teams declined (early 1970s). The North Stars were a hot ticket in the state of hockey. There were a few teams that kindled a flame in fans and the 1987 & 1991 teams brought out big crowds, for sure. Thereafter, attendance declined and I think it is not unfair to suggest that the Twins are 3rd or 4th in popularity among professional sports in Minnesota. I reread your comment I think we are saying the same thing. Minnesota loves football, hockey, and basketball before baseball. What I was getting at with "media" was that the local folks dote on the Vikings and the Twins have had a rough go getting decent TV money and a like amount of exposure. It is certainly possible that this is because the Twins do not do well managing their product. I'll leave that to the experts.
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None of us like it.
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Ok, I accept that you believe Gimenez has little value and include Rosario as well .... fine. The conversation wasn't really about WAR or actually players though. I guess i could have used the KC-CIN trade to show a similar manner to accomplish goals for next season. There are many who dislike those players as well. I will merely reiterate that all businesses need to function within their own individual financial realities. Cleveland seems to do that based on their won-loss record. The Twins? They are faced with a few challenges this offseason.
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Stated too often .... payroll reductions must occur before any additions and a catcher must be identified before a catcher can be dealt. If the above issues are solved, which should be easily enough accomplished, we can proceed to add players. Depending on the amount of payroll available, Jose Iglesias and Austin Hays seem like sound choices. However, I expect at least $4M for JI and $7M for Hays. The 3 most oft-mentioned names, Vazquez, Paddack, and Castro reduce payroll by $23.7M, but it is unlikely all of CV's contract is picked up. Adding JI, AH, and a rookie costs around $12M. The budget of $130M and current number of around $140M makes these moves tight but possible depending on Vazquez. I liked the tone and upbeat nature of this article but Rosario looked a little sad last year.
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Wait? You are suggesting that a player with 16.7 WAR in the last three years is similar to a player with 1.6 WAR? I actually like Vazquez but maybe you meant to highlight the inability of the Toronto front office to recognize useful players for their team. I'm confused by this comparison, but my initial point was that teams need to adjust to their own individual realities.
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The intention is that reality exists and one must live within it. Tampa Bay and other teams have hard realities (money) to contend with on an annual basis. I'm not suggesting they are model franchises at all. The reality of money does not stop these teams from being proactive. They hit and miss on moves but continue to adjust every year because they must in order to keep the numbers where instructed. Cleveland just traded Andres Gimenez. I don't believe the club has tossed a white flag. The trade was made in order to shift resources in a manner that keeps the team in a good place or improves a position of need for their club. If Cleveland could have a $130 million payroll, Gimenez might still be a Guardian. They move pieces to remain competitive. No doubt Cleveland has concerns about their 2025 and 2026 seasons and make decisions accordingly based on their own reality. I'm not happy that the Twins are sliding backwards a bit in payroll, but if this is what is required the front office must adjust. The front office has a job to do and they earn more than the MLB minimum. So, yes, I expect the team with the largest payroll in their division to make hard decisions in an attempt to improve the team. Now if Falvey & Sons believe they have a championship club right now, by all means the Twins should just stand pat.
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The owners of the Twins have given and taken away. I can't think of a time where I was a fan of the current ownership, even a little bit. I'm a fan of baseball. There can be no argument that a budget restricts the options for the front office in building a roster. However, it remains a reality for a number of teams. The Twins have the highest payroll in their division and their expenditures also eclipse that of their friendly neighbors next door, the Milwaukee Brewers. I wish the Twins had a $160-180 million 26 person roster payroll, but they don't. It seems understandable to me that many people want the Twins to keep the players they currently have in their organization, even if I may want some change. It seems there are opportunities to compete within the budget set, whether that is $110M (a number mentioned yesterday by a person on a different site who said they have heard blah, blah, blah) or the most common number, $130M. As disappointed as I may be with the turn last offseason regarding payroll, hate is never a good emotion.
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In a fashion this was covered by an article in the past that questioned how many people were diehard Twins fans. The Twins had among the top attendance and payroll numbers at times in the 1960s. However, free agency and modern media changed the financial realities. Calvin carried numerous family members and eventually could not compete with corporate entities. The Vikings and North Stars/Wild are well supported even when their teams are mediocre. Even the Timberwolves have been supported reasonable well considering their woeful history. Baseball in Minnesota is just not that important to very many people. The Twin Cities area is large enough for the team to draw 20,000 fans per game but they don't push above 30,000 unless they are winning with good teams. If the Twins go into a spin, the attendance could easily fall below 20,000 per game. Twins Daily is a baseball site. I wonder what a poll would show (of readers/members regarding their specific order of loyalties towards the Twins) when faced with choosing between the Vikings, Wild, Wolves, and Twins. I'm guessing it would be in the order of the last sentence. This reality forces the Twins to work for the money.
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It is at least marginally interesting to me how Tampa Bay and Cleveland manage to complete trades and push in small ways in hopes of putting a better team on the field in 2025, but the Twins seem frozen. Every article, seemingly, includes an arrow of scorn towards ownership which then excuses any attempts at dealing with reality. I guess that will be the offseason more or less. There are two distinct positions: 1. The team as currently rostered is perfectly fine and no changes are needed other than a tweak or two on the margins. This due to the limits of the budget; and 2. There are opportunities for change which would require some challenging deals. I'm not sure I understand the direction of the Twins or see a plan, but I don't need to know either because I'm just a fan. It just seems like there should be a direction of some sort. If the plan is to roll it back, perhaps Falvey & Sons could have success selling that direction aggressively. I wonder how people see all of the Guardians, Tigers, and Royals as falling back next season while the White Sox continue on in their chaotic position, leaving the Twins to be left as AL Central winners by default because our guys will all stay healthy and rebound. I hope this view is correct.
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Could there be a salary cap and floor. Yes. From 1940-1963 the highest marginal tax rates were above 80% peaking at 94%. This was beneficial to the country. The U. S. would benefit from 94% tax rates today and caps on incomes as well in the same manner that MLB could see positive results from such action. Possible? Sure. However, we also know that the trend currently is quickly going in the other direction. Folks should read the comment above from FargoFanMan to remind themselves of where the U. S. is at this point in time. MLB is right where the powers that be want it to be.
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Rosario? Sure, he is better than the others on the list.
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Correa is a shortstop. Arenado plays third base. St. Louis has a shortstop and Carlos could play third base, but that leaves the Twins without a shortstop. Michael Helman might be the best shortstop in the system. He is not a shortstop either. Brooks Lee might be a pretty good third baseman, but he is not a shortstop. We all saw how hard Castro worked last season filling in for Correa. Castro is not a shortstop. I guess that is why I disagree.
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Several people have mentioned that the uncertain ownership financial situation precludes signing large long term contracts at this point and others have responded with a thumbs down. The thumbs down has always been mysterious to me, particularly when a comment is vanilla. Perhaps a short response would make more sense .... in this case something as simple as .... "No, I believe management will sign long term contracts".
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Polanco was traded to reduce salary and yes, he had a poor season. Does this mean a trade of Correa for pretty much no return or same for Pablo is judged as the right move based on how they perform next year? Ownership sets the budget and we live with how F & S balance the roster near the number.
