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Trading Larnach is a risk, for sure. Festa is a no though. Twins and Padres have their work cut out for themselves as they fight to put together rosters that manage to compete for a playoff position without causing any harm to their futures.
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Should The Twins Be Investing In The Rotation?
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Arraez is not playing for the Twins again, as close to zero as anyone. Invest in a starting pitcher? Gone over thoroughly and now up to Preller and Favey. A new rumor suggests San Diego is gaging interest in another one of their starting pitchers due for free agency next year, Michael King. There is no way King returns half of what Cease can bring to the Padres roster. Preller has his work cut out for him. Falvey can dictate any terms. Thinking from Preller's pov, the Pads ask for Matthews, Larnach, Julien, and Vazquez for Cease. San Diego has 35 players on their 40 person roster. No idea what Falvey thinks. Curious what BTV thinks of something like the above?- 107 replies
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Having watched Keaschall on a number of occasions he was pretty good at first base. The arm injury has kept him from working at other position for the most part. We don't have a clear picture of his abilities with a glove at this time. However, perhaps you have seen him play numerous times in the last few years and saw something else. How many times have you watched Keaschall play?
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The Minnesota Twins Are Active In the Trade Market
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Tork doesn't have much value at this time. The Tigers and Twins could exchange Julien and Tork but being in the same division means it is unlikely. The Twins will also want to see if Julien has made any adjustments to bring back his value. -
There may have been a path but the Twins don't have a Crochet to give away, so Teel to Minnesota was not going to happen. The White Sox don't need Crochet because they are going to lose again for a few years. They do have some good pitching arriving soon, but Crochet was never going to pitch on the South Side. The Twins never had a shot at him. A drastic and controversial long shot to throw out one idea would be an exchange of Pablo Lopez for Samuel Basallo. I'm not sure either side agrees to that deal and I totally understand. I think it is better to just be patient as we have no say in the matter in any event.
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It is late January with pitchers and catcher reporting in a couple of weeks; time for optimism. All three of the players discussed in this article are important to the Twins fortunes. They will all be true veterans in how they prepare and ramp up for the season. It's great to hear everything is looking good. Thanks for the report.
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Cease is a long shot and I'm not dreaming on him at all. The right trade would add about two wins. Falvey has work to do but there are likely quite a few teams, other than the Twins, who are very leery of trading any of their propsects. This makes acquiring a catcher difficult. It is also why Falvey may stick with the status quo. Falvey is asking but the discussions are tough. We never hear anything at all from any sources that suggest any of Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, or Seattle are open to trading their young catchers. Boston traded Teel for Crochet. There were other pieces but that is basically the deal. The Twins can't match that at all. The Dodgers are holding Rushing to play outfield and DH. Colorado is not dealing it appears. So .... rock and hard place for teams seeking catchers, which is part of the reason San Diego asks about Vazquez. I think this is where things stand today. Tomorrow? Who knows?
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I actually put Payton Eeles as my second baseman for the 2025 Twins on the TD Blueprint Roster. I did trade away Brooks Lee, which was not well received. We won't know whether Eeles can play at the MLB level until he gets a look. Why not Eeles?
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Fangraphs and mlbtraderumors among others have discussed this. It isn't an idea that has many hours of discussion yet among the GM's. The Twins fans are hoping for anything that creates interest or a smidgeon of improvement for the roster. The money rants center around statements that another cut was not likely to follow this offseason, which was deeply interpreted as no money at all which morphed into a firm $130M. The Padres need multiple players to compete and they are trying to make the playoffs. Their ownership chaos means no big money but they do not need to cut either. The problem for San Diego is that they cannot add much in salary. Preller was counting on getting Sasaki and resigning Profar. Bad luck for the Padres. Now they need to turn elsewhere and are looking. The Twins have some guys. It is best to see both sides of a situation. Meanwhile the Twins are largely sitting it out right now, fine to a degree with the team they have rostered. It always makes sense to listen and Cease is good. The key is what goes if this deal goes through and even the initial rumor suggested the odds were quite low. The Twins have what the Padres could use. Falvey is in a good spot. The catching situation is very important to me. In fact my first suggested trade back in October was to trade for Jeferson Quero and my second was to trade for Harry Ford. Later I pushed for ideas to bring in Endy Rodriguez. I didn't ever think Teel was affordable. In the mean time many veteran catchers have signed. Maille is about all that is left. So yes, the catching situation is difficult but Falvey will need to make that call. The Twins are competing for a playoff spot this year.
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With the salaries earned by MLB players today, they drive whatever they want.- 107 replies
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No way to tell what has an element of truth. Hayes on The Athletic stated he had a source. His comment was in the comments. In any event it makes sense. Preller sure would like a LF, DH/1B, C, SP for his team. Look around baseball and examine who can take on the Cease contract for only one year and possibly return all of those needs in a trade. Remember that the Padres are not looking for prospects except as possible additions to a deal. Yes, it is messy, a little complex, and unlikely (largely because the Twins don't like big deals too much), but it is not a ruse and it is within the realm of reality. The Twins really could use a young catcher and have some ability to provide surplus assets to send in a possible trade but there hasn't even been a story or hint of action towards that end.
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As I have stated elsewhere, I'm happy with the Twins starting pitching. However, if Larnach, Vazquez, and Matthews sounds a bit steep and you are worried that this move could be a step backward, is there some substitutions possible? Castro and Julien in place of Larnach?
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I won't ever argue that Simeon is currently a mid rotation stalwart, but something about Woods Richardson tells me he is capable of carving out a real strong career as a guy who pitches really well and never gets his due respect until he is 6-8 years into his roll through MLB. Simeon will go 30 starts, 170+ innings, and put up a 4.00 or slightly better ERA and surprise people. Don't sleep on how good Woods Richardson can be.
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Hey, I'm really content with the current guys (Lopez, Ober, Ryan, Ryan,SWR), but if the Twins can add Cease for one year without losing a top prospect or a key player, do it.- 107 replies
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I would never trade Winokur. He has the floor of an A+ or AA player, but he has a ceiling above Walker Jenkins. Winokur is an amazing athlete. Think Oneill Cruz or maybe even Elly de la Cruz. He is just at the learning stages of playing baseball and it is way uncertain where he is headed. He is a keeper. Agree (mol) on the 3-1 ratio, but threw in Julien and Cory Lewis as sweeteners to get it done. I knew San Diego had room on the 40 person roster, which is another reason why Preller wants MLB players and not prospects for 2-4 years from now.
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Whenever I read your comments I always wonder how often you have actually seen the players in action? How many plate appearances of Keaschall or EmRod have you actually seen? How many times have you watched Andrew Morris pitch? I enjoy your arguments and the data is voluminous, but particularly on minor league players I'm always left curious about the number of times your eyes have watched these guys. I'm not negating the numbers but I'm a curious guy.
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Preller only trades Cease to fill positions on the team that are currently open. The first agenda is a starting pitcher that is controllable, Secondly, a left fielder to hold the spot for a couple of years. Third, a mid level prospect or two that have a shot. A DH would be of interest too. Lastly, a catcher to fold into their current group. Looking around baseball, the options for Preller are slim. The team can maintain their payroll but they are not adding. Thus the Twins pop up as a bonafide partner. Except the Twins don't really need Cease and can or should be able to dictate the direction of discussions. If I'm Preller, I'm asking for Zebby Matthews, Trevor Larnach, Edouard Julien, Cory Lewis, and Christian Vazquez. That is a pile of bodies. For those who use BTV (I don't) this is likely an overpay as a guess. If I'm Falvey, I am thinking about this as a possible positive. Perhaps counter with Castro instead of Larnach and add $4 million to the Twins side to sweeten the pot.
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You are correct about the Twins not being a favorite to win the ALCS and that it is a lot to give up for a rental pitcher. My view is that the Twins can get by without Raya or SWR or Matthews, although I'm quite hesitant to trade either of Matthews or SWR. The Twins can get by without Larnach or Castro, although i prefer to hold Larnach. The Twins can afford to add Gabriel Gonzalez and Cory Lewis to a deal. Losing Vazquez can be overcome with a trade or signing as well, although I believe in Vazquez as a catcher. I also think the Twins are not adverse to adding a small amount to payroll. So the trade makes sense for a couple of reasons. One it solidifies the top four SP and gives the #5 guy less pressure. It relieves the bullpen a fair amount because Cease throws a ton of innings versus a typical #4/5 pitcher. The pressure on the offense is relieved to an extent. The players who need to step up as young players or rookies are put into a favorable position. The Twins do not lose anyone who is crucial to their team success.- 107 replies
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Most baseball players were shortstops and pitchers at some point in their journey. A few were centerfielders and pitchers. There are not many examples of MLB athletes who played corner outfield or first base in grade school or even high school. There are some good athletes at 3B/2B in high school due to a superior shortstop pushing a guy over. Royce Lewis was a third baseman and Austin Martin an outfielder until they arrived into the Twins organization. Brooks Lee was always a shortstop. The transfer of a good infielder isn't that difficult. It mostly involves a few technical shifts and repetitions. Practice. At the MLB level the smallest of details make a difference due to the massive difference in expertise compared to any other league. Nuances come into play with young and inexperienced players in baseball. There are few athletes who can come into MLB as a teenager or even in their early 20s and be instantly proficient to a degree where they match the best in the game defensively. In the NFL, NBA, and NHL young superstars are common. Cooper Flagg could start for every team in the NBA today. This is just to say that development is difficult to predict and patience is needed. Royce Lewis has bulked up significantly during his rehab from two major injuries. We hear/read that he focused on flexibility, reactions, and speed this winter. Perhaps Lewis makes the adjustments in his new body to become a good third baseman. The potential of his bat generously allows him another opportunity. Martin is in nowhere land. It is hard to understand how he lost what were seen as decent skills in the field. Confidence? Brooks Lee is getting older and his lack of superior athleticism makes it difficult for him to play an excellent. The process isn't really a problem. Making the adjustments at the highest level is just more difficult than people imagine. The separation is unbelievable. Go watch a softball game, high school game, college game, minor league game, and MLB game in a two-week window and you will appreciate the difference.
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Dylan Cease is a very good pitcher. Nobody should dispute that statement. However, Cease will be a free agent and the Twins are not going to sign him to a Corbin Burnes type contract. The bump from Festa to Cease is likely two wins. This is important but not something to send a potential everyday player down the road. You are correct that Keaschall could flame out but he doesn't need to be much more than a 2 WAR player for several years to eclipse Cease's value to a team this year. Cease is not a player to tip the balance in a season. That player is Juan Soto. A number of people are willing to trade significant players in order to add Cease but this is not a case of must have. In any event, San Diego has not added merely prospects in recent trades. They are willing to discuss Cease because they have specific needs that can really only be accomplished via trades due to their current concern with controlling the roster payroll. Sadly that sounds familiar. Preller wants a young controllable SP who has pitched in MLB. That means one of Ober, Ryan, Festa, SWR, or Matthews. I highly doubt the Twins are listening on Ober or Ryan. Next the Padres need a LF. Here they may be interested in either Larnach or Castro, but asking about Wallner. San Diego also needs a DH/1B which could be Julien or Miranda. After that a mid level minor league OF or SP is an ask. That is a bundle and not all of that will happen so Preller will search. There are not too many teams out there willing to trade a young MLB SP, so it is going to be a struggle for Preller to find a fit. San Diego needs to make some moves, Minnesota wants to make a deal. Falvey has the upper hand here and needs to use it or walk away.
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The Dylan Cease saga feels pretty worn by now after a couple of thousand views and two hundred comments to date on TD. Nevertheless, it is good to see a TD writer weigh in with specific ideas. I appreciate that. Trade #3 is probably pretty close to what Preller can accept, although it isn't what he wants at this time. The Twins have some young SP and could provide a fair return provided the Dodgers don't step in and offer three or four guys who are working their way back from arm injuries, all of them with tremendous upside. A SP, either SWR or Matthews, a LF like Larnach or an infielder like Julien and if Vazquez is a part of the deal the Twins add about $4M. Preller will hold out waiting for other teams to bring their offers.
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tony&rodney replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Don't disagree with anything here. I am in the dark about what either Preller or Falvey want to do. I think Casali has signed a minor league deal already. Bottom line, it sure would be sweet to add Cease for what is affordable. He stays healthy, throws innings, and strikes out people. It allows for a little more time for our younger pitchers too. i think the biggest difference is that adding another good starter reduces the pressure on the offense.- 107 replies
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I'm not in on either really. My ok was trying to be open to $4M for one or the other, so no on both. I'm in on Cease.- 107 replies
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It is easy enough to filter through the ridiculous trades here. You should read some of the stuff on The Athletic or mlbtraderumors. I never submit anything there. The comments are almost all insane. Occasionally one can see a legitimate trade suggestion on BaseballTradeValues (I don't belong), but others are chuckle worthy far beyond anything ever suggested on Twins Daily. For the most part Twins Daily is the place for rational discussion and I realize that there often crazy exchanges or comments, sadly a few angry elfs from time to time. I'm sure I have contributed a few doozies too. It's all good as we say.
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Should The Twins Be Investing In The Rotation?
tony&rodney replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Generally speaking, Falvey will make his offer based on his belief in those players who would pick up the slack from trading valued players. The Twins can (I don't know if they should/I would) offer a package of 1. Woods Richardson or Matthews; 2. Larnach or Castro; and Vazquez for Cease. The Twins could substitute a couple of prospects such as Cory Lewis or Kaelen Culpepper as well or maybe float Julien. Preller should not hear the names of Jenkins, Keaschall, or Rodriguez. San Diego needs a SP, LF, DH or 1B. The Padres are also expected to trade Arraez but he doesn't add the punch the Twins need for their offense. I would actually be hesitant to add either of Larnach or Matthews in a deal, but it could be argued that the Twins are reasonably covered in those positions. My largest concern is how the Twins replace an MLB catcher (Vazquez) with guys who have struggled at AA/AAA. If Falvey pulls off that trade he must quickly close the catcher hole with a signing or additional trade. All of these moves can be made if the Twins believe in the players filling the gaps for traded guys.- 107 replies
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