Brandon

Since we do have the starters in AA that should be ready at some point next year, i am ok with Nolasco starting the year with Twins as long as he moves aside when Gonsalves or one of tje others are ready for their chance.

These type of moves werr also a Terry Ryan specialty. I want to see how he handles bigger trades. But Antony did good on this one.

It would be nice if the Twins were able to give him a september call up for a few games at some point same with Beresford. Like tommy watkins a few years back

It would be nice if the Twins were able to give him a september call up for a few games at some point same with Beresford. Like tommy watkins a few years back

Does tendering Nunez count as a parting gift? a lot of people here wanted him non-tendered.

We could pick up Suzuki's option for next season so we can go slow with the transition of Garver to the majors. Cause with what we have now either Garver makes it or we have nothing. or we can bring in someone from the outside and at the end of the season we can decide to bring Suzuki back on a 1 year contract for 6 million by picking up his option. The option automatically vests with plate appearances but we can still decide to exercise it. If the plan is for Garver to get an opportunity then this is the most risk averse/ low cost option available for the transition next year. If we decide to sign a different Catcher to a long term contract then of course we don't exercise Suzuki's option and Garver can try to make the team as a back up. That's how I see our options playing out.

Arraez = Solarte

Arraez = Solarte

I just think the Twins are still a season away. The Twins had a good year last year and have turned it around lately and we have such a deep farm system. I think we'll be a conte der soon and for a long time and Ryan played a big part of it.

I just think the Twins are still a season away. The Twins had a good year last year and have turned it around lately and we have such a deep farm system. I think we'll be a conte der soon and for a long time and Ryan played a big part of it.

Anthropolis, someone from billy beane or dodgers collection of former gms

I think the Rangers need to be moved to our division

It looks like more of the Twins offensive pieces are comming back around, Sano, Kepler, Dozier, it may make sense to wait till next year to trade Santana to see if we can be competitive next year. That would also allow us to trade or release Nolasco next year first when the younger guys start coming up. I wouldn't trade Santana just to free up payroll space. At the same time if we get something good in return besides salary relief. We should consider trade options.

If he was njured in spring he was hitting just fine for a while so the injury was manageable. If your hitting why say anything. He goes into a slump and thinks he can break out of it but got into bad habits and then doesn't break out of the slump. at that point it makes sense to recover from the injury which looks like what is happening here. I'm sure if Park slumped from the beginning of the season and then continued to slump he would have done something about the injury earlier. I don't think he needs surgery or anything like that. Lets see what a little rest does for him.

also you quote the overall record but forget how bad the resources were for Terry Ryan to work with back then. This season has been awful but we are not as far off from being competitive as you think.

The Cubs drafted college players and have more resources then the Twins being in Chicago. the Twins drafted highschoolers so it will be a few years before they are as developed as the players the Cubs took. Give them time enough of them will come around.

There has been a lot of talk on here calling for Terry Ryan to get fired. I disagree with that assesment and instead of arguing i figured to make the scenarios into a game of who is at fault? Terry Ryan, The player, or something else....Also I will make this a series starting with the rotation today then the bullpen, IF and C, then OF and prospects. In 2013 Terry Ryan signed Phil Hughes to a 3 year 24 million contract. in 2014 he posted strong numbers and basically justified the whole contract the first season. So the Twins signed him to another 3 year extension for 42 million more. At the time this was a great move because if the Twins waited one season and Hughes performed he would have been a 100 million plus player. so potentially getting a 100 million player for 42 million was a steal. and even if he regressed some he still should have justified the contract. So the next year he had back problems and lost velocity and effectiveness. then this year he was hit by a line drive but also is having shoulder surgery. (a result of overcompensating for the back injury) next year we hope he can return to form and be a solid pitcher. Whose fault is this? I would say injuries and maybe Hughes depending on how he prepared in the offseason. Its debatable. But I'm going to go with injury to blame. Terry Ryan did his job in getting a deal on two different contracts and injury is wrecking the value in the second one. When we signed Ervin Santana he was rated the 4th best starting pitcher that offseason in an offseason with lots of starting pitchers available. Terry Ryan did something we clamored for in making a big signing in free agency. and the cost to sign him was reasonable. We didn't know that Ervin did steroids thus hurting his value in season 1 and was inconsistent too. this year his performance is lagging but he has had a little value as a 4th starter even though he was signed to be a 2nd or 3rd. He is not quite averaging 6 innings per start this year. I would blame Ryan some for the value received so far but the real blame has been the performance of the pitcher and his personal decisions to not watch the supplements he is taking. though it could be expected that Santana would decline some over the contract so I'm going 30% blame on Ryan and 70% on Santana for the decision to sign Santana and him not providing the value we were looking for. Signing Nolasco. lets be honest my expectations for Nolasco was a pitcher with around a 3.75 to 4.25 era and pitch 180 to 200 innings. the first season he tried to justify the contract by pitching through the injury he had and made things worse for his record. The second season he was injured and dealt with it. but missed a lot if time. when heathy he was 5-0 and had an era of 3.77 in the month of May. in the 3 starts and relief appearance in which he was hurt he was 0-2 with a sky high era. I blame the second season on the injury and a little on Nolasco for some of his quotes which seem lackadaisical about the team. This season Nolasco has been healthy and averaged 6 innings per start and is on pace for 192 innings. while his era is about .5 runs more than we like he is overall not far off from what I expected from him. there is no blame for this season as he is pitching near enough to expectations. It would be nice if he lowered his ERA a half run per 9 innings. in summary season 1 of Nolasco's contract is 100% Nolasco's fault. his second season is 20% Nolasco's fault and 80% injury. This season there is minimal blame as he is close to expectations. Millone: He was signed to be a 5th starter. the track record is there but he is having a bad season with the Twins this year. I would blame Ryan for the signing but not much because he has a track record of pitching a solid 5th starter innings but he doesn't have that much talent despite the results and Millone is only on a 1 year contract for 4.5 million which isn't too much money or long term commitment either. but Terry Ryan also has 3 or 4 options already set to join the rotation so it wasn't like Terry Ryan wasn't prepared with contingencies. so for Millione I blame Millone for being ineffective and I would blame Ryan except he had the team with Nolasco, Berrios and others ready in case he Millone wasn't effective. so I blame 25% Millone and 25% Ryan and 50% others who haven't stepped up to take his spot away from him. Gibson: He is still making less than 600k so the blame at this point this year is injury. Terry Ryan had plans in place for injuries. with 8 potential starters we had the depth in case of injuries. no one has stepped up. Duffy: he was given a spot in the rotation based off of his minors track record and his job he did at the end of the season. Since Terry Ryan had contingencies going into the season I blame the player for not stepping up and running with his opportunity Berrios, Dean, and Meyer: I blame Ryan for not giving Meyer a few more outings but that is minor in the grand scheme. I do think it was a great experience for Berrios to come up early for 4 starts. he wasn't up long enough to get discouraged but he got a chance to learn and now knows what to expect when he comes back up. I view Dean as filler. He can pitch a decent start as a fill in . So overall There is some blame for Ryan for the state of the rotation but overall the young players Duffy mainly hasn't stepped up to win the job, Injury is to blame for Hughes and Gibson's season. and Millone wasn't expected to be great but with all the injuries we needed at least what he did last year and he regressed. Nolasco is closest to expectations so no blame this year and Santana has been less effective then expected and that is 10-20% injury as he did go on the 15 day DL but the rest falls on him. How do you feel about these observations? From Where I sit I cant tell if Molitor has any blame for the rotation maybe you can let me know. I will do the bullpen next and at the end we can tally it all up and see where the blame for this season goes.

Suzuki is hitting .270 with gap power and i think the answer is more rest. I'm ok with potentially keeping Suzuki 1 more year if we don't get a big upgrade. he cant get more than 400 plate appearances in a season or 80 in a month. We do need a mix of veterans and young players. I think the Twins trade Ervin Santana, Plouffe, and maybe Abad and if possible Jepsen. Nunez too May to the rotation makes sense. Bring up Chargois. Polanco, and Berrios after he shows better control for a few more starts. maybe Wheeler.

if there is one thing I trust the Terry Ryan to do is raid others minor league talent. We've made some real good trades in that department. While I am in no hurry to necessarily trade anyone as I think we have a core to build off of, we more than anything need the younger players to develop. Buxton, Polanco,Kepler, Duffy, Park, Rosario, Berris, Meyer, May. Chargois and others. we also need health too. we lost Perkins, Plouffe, Gibson, Santana, Escobar, and Santana for parts or most of the season. This is most of the reason for our team failure this year. Yes a few players slumped, Ervin Santana, Plouffe, Dozier, Nolasco May, Gibson, and Millone But a few are doing well Nunez, Abad, Tonkin, Grossman while Escobar and Mauer are solid the only real failures this year are Jepsen and Fien. I said all of that to say this. I don't think we need to trade anyone at this time but I wouldn't be against it either.

The cubs drafted college player the Twins drafted highschoolers. The Twins players probably deserve another 2 or 3 seasons to compare. I guess comparing the draft strategy is fair.

I think Ben Revere has justified his pick. He has been a solid big leaguer. How many teams are saying they would rather had Revere as their first rounder? that would be a fun exercise to add to this one. which picks before the Twins would gladly swap with the Twins?

looks like we are drafting the younger guys to start a new wave of talent along with Wander Javier SS after the current wave makes its way up and has time to play together and starts getting traded or leaving as free agents. Next year we'll draft lots of high schoolers and then after that start getting college players again. So the players can all come up at the same time.

Burdi was drafted by the White sox so it will be brother against brother matchups down the road in the pen.

You need to go back and reread the comments when the extension occurred. we were happy.

When we signed Santana the free agent starts were 2 150 million pitchers, Shields, and the Santana then there was a clear drop in talent and we paid 55 million. That was a good deal. Hughes had a Cy young calibre season and signed a 3 year extension for number 3 starter money. At the time we as in twins daily participants were happy with these signings.