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  1. No more impact on the Twins than anyone else. I've said this elsewhere, I have no problem with this rule. Long games can negatively impact teams for many days afterwards, with reliever and catchers taking the brunt of things. As MLB systematically takes removes all of the strategy decisions from the game (full-time DH, no more LOOGY, pitch clocks eliminating most of the surprise elements) this is one area where teams actually have to make decisions.
  2. This move probably means a few things: 1) There is some question on Polanco's knee and possibly Kiriloff's wrist as well 2) None of the young infielders are not ready to make the club (Lee, Martin, etc.) or are going to be moved to 2B 3) There is another trade in the works involving any of the aforementioned players, but strongly pointing at Polanco. 4) Gordon's life as an infielder in MN is over Solano is a perfectly fine backup infielder. Can play all 4 positions, has a respectable bat. He could also easily serve as a 2B placeholder until one of the prospects is ready. I can't speak for everyone, but with so many moves this offseason, it sure has been fun to try to figure things out.
  3. You are arguing points that really don't fit what I am saying and changing tacks in what you are defending. Read the post immediately over yours from JMlease1 to understand the point I am trying to make. Bottom line is that putting Pagan in a low leverage middle relief role as the Twins try to fix him will have a very small impact on the game outcomes. On the chance they are able to fix him, he could be a valuable piece. If not, expect the team to move on from him. High upside, low bottom.
  4. Ummm..... no. That isn't what I was saying. What I was saying is that we don't know what potential causes were or what potential adjustments have been done to make him potentially pitch better. We don't know what we don't know. Again... no. I am not going to quote the hundreds and hundreds of posts and articles talking about the roster changes this team has made (C, 1B, 3B, LF, 4th OF, at least 2 SP), the expected returns of an insane number DL players from last year, nor the fact that they have not made any more moves to acquire BP pitchers. The roles are pretty much set. The team on the field will look vastly different from the team that was until 9/1 basically in the running for a division title. Now they just need to play the games.
  5. Lots of layers to these discussions. Keeping it post-61, Killebrew is a lock, but not so sure after that: All Twins that spent their entire career here. Not even considering Rod Carew here... Pitchers are a whole different mess. Take out WAR and Blyleven looks awfully similar to Jim Kaat. Viola, Radke, Perry are all somewhat similar. Santana did not play long here enough. All due respect to Rick Aguilera, but where the heck does Joe Nathan fit into this discussion? Fun discussion!
  6. As an aside: The fact that we are having this type of conversation about the usage of our #8 reliever should tell us how little usage questions there are about the team this year.
  7. In a bubble, I agree. But we don't know what we don't know. It will be very interesting to see what role they have him pegged for when the season starts: Low leverage middle relief (where his impact on the game will be minimal) or higher leverage spots. My bet is on the former with the hope he can find his mojo. Barring another barrage of injuries I have a hard time seeing the Twins putting him into any high leverage situations until he shows he is ready (like 25-30 innings of killer pitching).
  8. Thanks for bringing a different discussion POV to this Ted. The Gallo/Kepler portion has been buried into the ground.
  9. To add on this comment... Look at other sports like the NBA and NFL. Instead of salary driving all the top end players to certain markets, every market has a chance to keep and build their star players. If the salary choices are relatively similar, teams will be more able to retain players through team culture and such. How else can other sports have cities like Green Bay, Buffalo, and San Antonio be successful? Also, imagine you went to the MLBPA and gave them two options: 1) Player A makes $45m, Player B, C, D, E each make $2m 2) Player A makes $25m, Player B & C make $10m, Player D & E make $5m Which option do you think the MLBPA would choose? The total outlay is the same...
  10. So, so many things wrong with this comment: 1) He is a person, not a robot. Things like self-confidence and trust come into play. Imagine you were Pagan and you jumped on to TD to see the comments about you. How would you feel? Let him work into his confidence. Pitchers can and do improve over time. 2) There may be a hundred factors that went into his performance last year that the general public knows nothing about. Those factors could have changed, allowing him to better focus on pitching. We, the general public, know nothing about him as a person. 3) Saying the games early in the season are less important speaks to ignorance. Every game matters. Early games are insanely important. Look at studies done on standings 30-40 games in vs the end of the season. The numbers are something like if you are more than 5 games out after 40 games, your chances of making the postseason are very low.
  11. It will be hard, but not because of the players. For all the discussion of FA, most players make (relatively speaking) very little. Look at the Twins payroll to see the salary distributions. I believe that if they instituted a salary cap/floor situation where the total dollars was still being spent and the revenue sharing between the players/owners stayed fluid, this could work. The biggest issue (IMO) is that the Dodgers do not want to pay for the Marlins. Each individual team has it's own revenue structure. The rich do not want to pay for the poor.
  12. You just described 90% of the bullpens in baseball. I could take out Twins pitchers and insert other teams pitchers into just about every statement. 100% agree with every word in your last paragraph. On paper, the BP looks pretty solid, but we have to play the games. Let the volatility commence
  13. LOL... The life of a reliever. While I am not a huge fan of Pagan, he has shown in the past that he can be successful. The Twins do not need him to be Duran this year, the BP is deeper. High ceiling, low floor, reasonable contract, good stuff. I have no problem putting him in low leverage situations until he proves he has figured it out. It not, let him go. All signs point to him being worth a flier. Low leverage MR should not be a major point of contention at the moment.
  14. Stu, Sorry you had to qualify this article with the satire header...
  15. Gonna stick with the post-61 Twins here: Terry Felton Sidney Ponson Tommy Herr Tom Nieto
  16. Beast, most of the discussion here wasnt to actively replace Miranda, just conjecture over whether or not Gordon would be his backup.
  17. Agreed with Duran being a non-traditional closer. Expect closer by committee.
  18. I think you are asking the wrong question. At the moment, Kepler, Gallo, and Kepler do not figure into the Twins long term plans (though I could easily see Gallo playing his way into those plans). That being said, Kepler and Gallo could easily provide more value than Gordon next year. Taylor doesn't really factor into this discussion as his role is pretty much defined as 4th OF and CF backup. Gordan's track record in the minors is very underwhelming. His major league career OPS+ is 101. Not a lot to write home about. At best he is a league average player. At best. The Twins have a handful of guys on the 40-man that could push Gordon out of the picture. To answer your questions in the 2nd paragraph: - Probably not - No, probably a low level prospect - Except Taylor, a relatively short leash, yes. But all three have a longer track record than Gordon. - Traded possibly. DFA'd doubtful (see previous answer). - Anemia being a relative term, yes.
  19. He isn't a starter, he is a backup. If Miranda goes down, Farmer will start. IF Miranda can't handle 3B IF Farmer gets pushed into that position IF the Twins do not make a move for another 3B IF Farmer puts up terrible numbers while playing 3B Then we can talk...
  20. Sorry guys, but I am a fan of the ghost runner. Long extra inning games have ramifications for weeks. I also like the strategy involved here (since they have systematically removed most other strategy points from the game). People barked at hockey when they went to 4v4 in overtime and finally the shootout. Football has changed their OT rules a handful of times in the last 15 years. I don't think it is as big an issue as some people make it out to be.
  21. Forget everything else. If the Twins feel that he is an improvement over someone they are willing to move (down or out), and the cost is reasonable, you sign him.
  22. He was dead in the water until he showed some life last year. Considering the amount of OF currently on the 40-man and assuming those individuals are healthy, if Gordon doesn't come out relatively strong to start the season, I can't see him lasting terribly long.
  23. Farmer is your backup 3B. He will be the starter if Miranda misses time. Behind Farmer, there is some question. It would not shock me to see Gallo there, but I don't think it will happen. OF and 1B for him. Considering they really don't have anybody else on the 40-man to handle that position, I think you may see another low-level utility or 3B pickup between now and 1-2 week of season.
  24. Gordon's days in the Twins infield are gone. Too many other options. Maybe in an emergency situation, but on a regular or semi-regular basis? No I am not sold on Gordon. Decent year last year? Yes. Still has a ton to prove. I think he makes the roster out of ST, but he will probably be on a relatively short leash
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