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Typically, high school draft picks make MLB between 3-4 years after drafting. Typically, college draft picks make MLB between 2-3 years after drafting. Top draft picks and elite prospects generally knock a year off that. I'm not going to agree with you.

How I read this: Jeremy Zoll is better at PR than Joe Pohlad. We've all seen Falvey can't define or follow a budget. This just reads like more incompetence to me. I do not care about the budget. I care whether or not the front office finds a "creative" way to make the team better.

You think it's a reach to 100% guarantee the Twins would have won the World Series if they had signed a 36 year old Morneau coming off back to back disappointing seasons? A bigger reach is thinking I was serious and my comment wasn't tongue in cheek hyberbole.

Sept '67 Jim Kaat - 7-0, 1 Blown Save (Twins lost to Horlan's White Sox), 9 Games, 65.2 IP, 1.51 ERA, 1 Shutout Joe Horlen - 6-2, 0 Blown Saves, 8 Games, 64.1 IP, 0.84 ERA, 3 Shutouts Horlen was better than Kaat. Twins were better than White Sox despite losing back to back games to Chicago when Kaat took the mound and blew a save on the 16th, the day after Horlan beat the Twins on the 15th.

Yes, I do seem to be the only one concerned that Walker Jenkins' stats and performance don't justify the hype around him. I compared Jenkins to his peers (all 19 of them) in a different thread. Guys who became elite at the MLB level were mostly already torching AA at Jenkins' age, but Jenkins is sandwiched between 10. Wil Myers, 11. Byron Buxton, just above 13. Carlos Correa and 14. Addison Russell. Jenkins is going to make MLB. There's no question about that. Whether he'll become Wil Myers or Jarred Kelenick remains to be seen. For what's it's worth, I was dead wrong on Royce Lewis being overrated. Re: Rodriguez. When a guy is burning options years before he gets to the big show, he's moving slow. Age doesn't matter. Years of professional baseball experience matters. Rodriguez is moving slow.

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The Twins rank 22nd in Bleacher Report currently because Festa, Matthews & Lee all graduated. If the rankings were adjusted to arbitrarily include Twins players who have lost rookie status, our farm would rank further down because a lot of other prospect players were actually good at baseball while playing at the MLB level, unlike Lee and Matthews who were both awful. When a "prospect" is lights out at the MLB level long enough to lose rookie status, but then put back onto a "prospect" list, we'd see the entire top 50 feature only players at the MLB level. It's fine everybody is so high on Walker Jenkins because it really doesn't matter, but he doesn't grade out especially well results-wise vs. future successful peer results at the same age and at A+ or higher. Jenkins is kind of in the middle of a 50/50 boom/bust group. Emmanuel Rodriguez has made Byron Buxton look like he's made of iron all while advancing very slowly through the MiLB system and producing results which come with plenty of red flags. Rodriguez already burned an option last year, and I can't imagine he won't burn a second option this year before he sees the diamond in a regular season game. Luke Keaschall is the last of the Twins top 100's, and he was borderline last year. It wouldn't surprise me if he fell off the top 100 list before spring. After Keaschall, our farm is filled with B and C grade prospects. It's not as if they couldn't rise up fast (look at Matthews last year), just that they're not going to be expected to do as well as top prospects.

Should create a public google sheets people can update!

Correct. Ronny Henriquez is pretty fringe so losing him is no biggie. Of course, I'm more concerned about Paddack blocking Twins wins from happening.

Kaat was the 3rd best pitcher in the Twins' rotation in 1967. That said, he did have a great September, but even so, Joe Horlan was better in Sept that year, and there were other pitchers who got better results that month, too.

Agree wholeheartedly with @DJL44 Twins dump payroll, a player they really don't want on the roster, and get semi-reliable protection against Miranda flopping. The Twins have zero 1B depth beyond a 29 year old MiLB journeyman named Mickey Gasper. I suppose Edouard Julien could be considered for a 1B role, too, but last year wasn't exactly inspiring.

It's going to be EASY for an MLB team to move now since the Athletics have already done it. All the teams which have been waiting for the opportunity are going to push this issue. It's been over 20 years since an MLB franchise has moved, and communities have become complacent. It's about competitive environments. Whether or not individual people or even their representatives feel like billionaire sports franchise owners should receive new stadiums or whatever. Sports teams DO NOT OWN THE STADIUMS. That is by design. Otherwise, teams would have to pay for new stadiums themselves. Instead, government entities own the stadiums and those government entities lease the stadiums to professional sports franchises. This is the case for the vast majority of the 4 major sports franchises in the United States. That also means any metropolitan area who wants a sports team just needs to be willing to build a state of the art stadium and woo one of the franchises who have a lease on an obsolete or aging stadium which is winding down. In this way, metropolitan areas compete for stadiums/sports franchises, and whatever metro wants a stadium bad enough, will get a new team as owners pursue the best return on their investment (which is what every single one of us who shops at Wal Mart instead of some fancy local boutique do). So if that new metro is willing to make more concessions than the current metro, the team will be gone.

Nope. The stadium was not owned by the Athletics. Like almost all MLB stadiums (and most major sports stadiums across the country), the stadium is owned by a local government entity and leased to the sports franchise. Only one of the major stadiums in the metro is owned by the team. Allianz Field - Minnesota United Xcel Energy Center - the City of St. Paul Target Center - the City of Minneapolis Target Field - the Minnesota Ballpark Authority US Bank Stadium - Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority In other recent news about the specific issue which you're speaking about, the Milwaukee Brewers were just threating to potentially move due to the breach of the lease agreement by the owner, the Southeast Wisconsin Professional Baseball Park District who was failing to contribute sufficient funding to keep the stadium up.

Sorry, read this too fast, but comparing free agency to extensions Buxton signed an extension while he was under team control.

Nah, Buxton will produce his 2-3 WAR in 80 games. He won't hurt the Twins making the playoffs, but he won't help, either. He's an easy strikeout when it counts, too.

Morneau's 2010 was potentially fueled by some luck which would have had him regressing as well. Through his prime 4 years prior, Morneau's BABIP was .297. In 2010 it was .385, though there are some underlying metrics which suggest Morneau was already turning a corner to be better at the plate. Hi BB rate had steadily increased, maxing out at the 14.4% in 2010 as pitchers grew to fear him. He was hitting more line drives, and dramatically fewer ground balls, he was squaring up and hitting balls harder than ever so more of Morneau's fly balls were leaving the park. Previous 4 years vs. 2010 Prev = 18.7% LD, 41.4% GB, 35.8% FB, 4.1% Pop Ups, 14.8% HR/FB, 34.1% Hard Hit 2010 = 22.0% LD, 33.1% GB, 40.7% FB, 4.2% Pop Ups, 17.0% HR/FB, 45.3% Hard Hit He really may have hit another gear at age 29, but what's not remembered very well in the article is Morneau was still an above average MLB hitter after his rough return year at age 30 in 2011. For 2012-2016, Morneau posted a .281/.337/.446 OPS .783 wRC+ 108 line, providing a line all of us would have happily seen in the Twins' lineup last year. He just wasn't an MVP candidate anymore. Even at age 35 with the White Sox, Morneau put up a .261/.303/.429 OPS .732 wRC+ 95 line in a very short season as he didn't sign until June 9! In 2015, Morneau dealt with a neck sprain and concussion issues, but he was also struggling with a tendon in his elbow before the end of the year. The approach to rest it over the winter didn't pan out and after another MRI he pursued on his own, Morneau went under the knife to correct the issue too late to make it back for the start of the year. I remember being baffled Morneau didn't garner more interest in 2016. MLBTR had Morneau at the back end of their top 50 MLB free agents at 1yr $8MM, but there were apparently no suitors. Ultimately, Morneau signed with the White Sox for a pitiful 1yr and $1MM on June 9th out of what looked like desperation when Morneau was pretty much all set the play, but wasn't committed. After the dreadful 2016 Twins' season, I had hoped the Twins could reunite with Morneau, but the Twins didn't pull the trigger despite reports of mutual interest and positive comments from then manager, Paul Molitor. Who knows if Morneau would have provided any boost to what was an incredibly successful 2017 club, a club which deployed Robbie Grossman as the primary DH, I might add. Would a reunion with Morneau have led to a 2017 World Series Title? Of course. It was guaranteed, but the "Twins fans can't have nice things!" Derek Falvey proclaimed.

Man, from unwanted MiLB roster filler reputation to generational wealth. He's got to be absolutely over the moon. If Rooker plays anywhere near his last season, I'd be surprised if the A's or whatever team has him, doesn't pick up the option and that's a total of $82MM. 2025 a30 - $4MM ($5.1MM est Arb1) 2026 a31 - $8MM ($8.0MM est Arb2) 2027 a32 - $14MM ($13.0MM est Arb 3) 2028 a33 - $15MM 2029 a34 - $19MM 2030 a35 - $22MM Club Option (Vests with various MVP and plate appearances)

Here's a link at how Walker Jenkins' last decade or so of competition has performed. His peers mean Top 5 MLB Prospects. and further, the direct matches for being in A+ ball or higher while age 19 and their performances. High performing MLB players in bold. 1) MLB .270/.340/.477 OPS .817 ISO .206 wRC+ 121 Bryce Harper 2) AA .326/.374/.520 OPS .895 ISO .195, wRC+ 159 Ron Acuna, Jr. 3) AA .326/.414/.544 OPS .958, ISO .218, wRC+ 156 Mike Trout 4) AA .326/.351/.598 OPS .909, ISO .272 wRC+ 159 Xander Bogaerts 5) AA .402/.449/.671 OPS 1.120, ISO .269 wRC+ 203 Vlad Guerrero, Jr. 6) AA .286/.355/.507 OPS .862, ISO .221 wRC+ 133 Fernando Tatis, Jr. 7) AA .253/.315/.542 OPS .857, ISO .289 wRC+ 133 Jarred Kelenic 8) AA .289/.407/.395 OPS .801, ISO .105 wRC+ 131 Francisco Lindor 9) AA .281/.368/.452 OPS .820, ISO .171 wRC+ 127 Jurickson Profar 10) A+ .346/.453/.512 OPS .966, ISO .166 wRC+ 172 Wil Myers 11) A+ .326/.415/.472 OPS .887, ISO .147 wRC+ 155 Byron Buxton 12) A+ .290/.382/.481 OPS .862, ISO .191, wRC+ 147 Walker Jenkins 13) A+ .325/.416/.510 OPS .926, ISO .185 wRC+ 144 Carlos Correa 14) A+ .275/.377/.508 OPS .885 ISO .233 wRC+ 131 Addison Russell 15) A+ .275/.359/.433 OPS .791 ISO .157 wRC+ 121 Gleyber Torres 16) A+ .275/.352/.407 OPS .759, ISO .131 wRC+ 119 J.P. Crawford 17) A+ .255/.327/.399 OPS .726, ISO .144 wRC+ 110 Royce Lewis 18) A+ .262/.354/.387 OPS .741, ISO .125 wRC+ 110 Victor Robles 19) A+ .257/.307/.335 OPS .642 ISO .078 wRC+ 97 Amed Rosario

OAA/DRS are poor metrics to use in a vacuum over a single season or less. Even UZR has issues under 1,000 innings. Buxton's sprint speed remains unchanged from his mid 20s, and his arm is still near elite. No reason to believe defensive metrics should have declined.

The real issue is previous arbitration values impact future arbitration salaries. Lewis taking $1.6MM doesn't just impact this year. It impacts his comp for the next 3 years.

The point is wealthy people do not ignore tens of millions of dollars, and the idea the Twins have been some sort of wildly successful investment with returns so high the Pohlads should be willing to completely ignore tens of millions of dollars is a tough sell. That's especially the case since it's likely the Pohlads are selling the Twins due to liquidity issues stemming from their huge investments in commercial realty. The Twins have been an okay investment, and the franchise has cumulatively lost significant money over the past 5 years according to Forbes/Statista thanks to operating losses of nearly $80MM in 2020 and 2022 combined. I will trust financial reporting companies like Forbes over your personal opinion. I agree that ownership of a pro sports franchise is about prestige. Not sure how that relates to the discussion other than furthering my point about the lackluster returns.

It is unusual for an MLB owner to actively involve themselves in roster decisions beyond approving major contracts or trades, and when owners do involve themselves more significantly like in choosing players, it's usually bad news. This is how big companies work. The Pohlads own the business and Jim served as the chairman of the board. Evaluating talent, and roster construction is not their area of expertise. Choosing which players need to be traded or signed is the same thing as sweeping floors to the chairman of the board.

They're projected to have the 17th highest payroll in MLB right now with the highest payroll in the AL Central. They signed off on 5 big contracts over the past few years (Donaldson, Buxton, Correa 1, Correa 2, Lopez). They were willing to blow their budget up in 2022 to sign and 2023 to bring back Correa.

Lewis didn't take kindly to public comments by Correa towards the end of last year about some players not working hard enough. Lewis was also outwardly critical of being pushed to play 2B by Baldelli. It paints the picture of a very disgruntled ballplayer, but honestly, I think Lewis was spot on.

There are absolutely NDA's for the Twins AND the Ishbias and any other bidding party. The Ishbia family does not want any other prospective buyer knowing exactly what the Ishbia offer looks like.