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    Spring Backward


    Nick Nelson

    One of the biggest reasons for positivity coming out of spring training was the fact that two players hugely critical to the Twins' success were on top of their games, seemingly poised to take big steps forward and help lead the team's turnaround.

    But since coming north, both players have seen their play go south, and now they've become perhaps Minnesota's two greatest sources of concern during an 8-10 start.

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    We all know that spring exhibition statistics are to be taken with a grain of salt. But certain traits, developments and observable trends can provide valid reasons for optimism and belief. Byron Buxton and Kyle Gibson were exhibiting all of them throughout the month of March. The drop-off that both these key pieces experienced as soon as the games started mattering have left the Twins reeling, and searching futilely for answers.

    Buxton's spring was an extension of his breakthrough September in 2016. Once again, the young outfielder was flashing visible confidence, regularly connecting with good pitches and putting together solid at-bats. His performance was impressive enough to convince Paul Molitor that Buxton was ready to bat third in the lineup.

    But in April, the self-assured hitter who finished last season on a blistering hot streak and piled up a team-leading 10 extra-base hits in the ensuing spring has inexplicably gone amiss. Buxton looks as timid and clueless in the box as he did as a green MLB newcomer, if not more so. With each horrendous plate appearance, the issues only seem to further compound and snowball.

    The strategy of letting him try to fight through his struggles is yielding no discernible progress. Although the strikeouts have subsided somewhat, Buxton continues to be an exceedingly easy out, with mediocre or worse pitchers consistently having their way. In his first nine games he went 3-for-34. In eight games since, he's 3-for-31. According to FanGraphs, only one ball put in play this year by Buxton has qualified as a line drive. His 47 percent K-rate is 12 points higher than MLB pitchers have produced at the plate.

    You would literally expect better from a random Single-A scrub thrown onto the big-league stage. From a player of such immense talent who posted an .880 OPS in the minors, it boggles the mind. And considering Buxton's monumental importance to the franchise, it's a highly disquieting dilemma.

    Gibson isn't as vital to Minnesota's big-picture outlook, but he is quite crucial in the short-term. With all the question marks that surrounded (and continue to surround) Phil Hughes as well as the fifth starter spot, the Twins badly needed the veteran righty to rebound and join Ervin Santana as a reliable asset atop the rotation.

    Gibson showed every sign of doing so in camp, with an authoritative presence on the mound carrying more relevance than his stellar numbers. Throughout spring competition, Gibson worked ahead in counts, snapped off nasty sliders and cruised through efficient outings. When batters made contact, they were hitting everything into the ground. He was executing his gameplans to a tee. Utilizing altered mechanics, Gibson reported feeling as good as he has in a long time.

    But that version of the 29-year-old has vanished in four regular-season starts. All of the deepest flaws that held him down during a challenging 2016 campaign have been frustrating mainstays. Gibson's command has been terrible and his outings have routinely unraveled at the the first sign of trouble. Things reached a new low on Sunday when Gibson endured the worst start of his career before horrified home fans at Target Field. An eight-run shellacking at the hands of Detroit left him 0-3 with a 9.00 ERA, and leaves the Twins contemplating a demotion to the bullpen or even the minors.

    Ultimately, removing Buxton or Gibson may prove necessary but won't do much to brighten the team's fortunes.

    In the outfield, they lack compelling alternatives for Buxton, and almost any reconfiguration that takes him out of the picture will dramatically reduce the unit's defensive aptitude, diminishing one of the roster's only clear strengths.

    In the rotation, the Twins are already seeking to fill another vacancy following the demotion of Adalberto Mejia, and Hughes has done little to establish himself as any kind of stable presence. Minnesota desperately needs Gibson to figure it out, though patience is wearing thin and with good reason.

    In both cases, it seems clear that the ability and tools are inherently there to get the job done. What's holding them back? Why are these two critical cogs so profoundly overmatched? Where has the sharpness and confidence they exuded throughout the spring ramp-up period gone?

    And if those elements don't return soon, at least to some extent, what in the world are the Twins to do?

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    I so hate to say this for like what? The sixth year in a row? But any decisions made have to be made for the next 4 years, not 4 months. That said there are really no good SP options, or at least not enough to turn the corner. The OF could be set, Sano likely would end up at 1B, and the pen has at least some promising options in MiLB. As for the middle IF, if they do not trade Dozier, I think Polanco's bat will force them to let Dozier go when his contract is up. If that does happen, I imagine/hope they go with a glove first SS. Polanco will likely never put up Doziers HR numbers because he doesn't sell out to the corner foul pole, but I think he will be a much better hitter before all is said and done. Some guys can just hit, and he seems to be one of them.

     

    I so hate to say this for like what? The sixth year in a row? But any decisions made have to be made for the next 4 years, not 4 months. That said there are really no good SP options, or at least not enough to turn the corner. The OF could be set, Sano likely would end up at 1B, and the pen has at least some promising options in MiLB. As for the middle IF, if they do not trade Dozier, I think Polanco's bat will force them to let Dozier go when his contract is up. If that does happen, I imagine/hope they go with a glove first SS. Polanco will likely never put up Doziers HR numbers because he doesn't sell out to the corner foul pole, but I think he will be a much better hitter before all is said and done. Some guys can just hit, and he seems to be one of them.

    Of course if you put Sano at first, you again lack a third baseman.  And as far as I know, there is nothing at that position down the line.  Maybe Nick Gordon could swing over to third.  Because Jermaine Palacios might be nipping at his heals at SS. Not sure Gordon will hit enough to play third.  A Polanco, Palacios, Gordon infield would be a lot of slap and giggle hitters.  So that means the Twins will need to get power everywhere else.  The only guy that looks like a legit 25 + HR guy is Sano.  The only other player who might be north of 15 consistently is Kepler.  Slap and giggle might work in the regular season, but it won't in the playoffs.  You need quick strike ability because the pitchers are better.  In the playoffs, you rarely see an inning with 4 or 5 singles leading to two runs.

    Actually, the Twins have a very good replacement for Buxton in AAA: Zach Granite. Send down the struggling young superstar and bring up a very fast CF with a decent bat and good base running skills. Granite is not considered a stellar prospect, but he's currently #22 in the Twins system, and he certainly won't do worse than Buxton right now at the plate. 

     

    As others have observed, Buxton's main problem is confidence, but it now manifests itself in a terrible approach at the plate. Let him break it down to the fundamentals in Rochester, then gradually build his confidence back up. We all know Buxton can hit at this level from that hot streak he went on at the end of last season. A month in AAA without the pressure of big crowds and TV cameras might allow Buxton to get his smile back. Remember, Torii Hunter was up and down several times before he finally caught on for good. 

     

    As for Gibson, I'm not sure what he needs. He's a veteran pitcher now, yet he still seems to lack command of his arsenal of pitches. What is the key variable between a good and a bad outing for this guy? It's tougher to analyze than Buxton because Gibson's difficulties don't seem to be consistent. He either shuts a team down, or he gets completely hammered. 

     

    Assuming Berrios replaces Mejia, the only starter still available on the 40-man roster is Felix Jorge down in AA Chattanooga. Jorge currently is #6 in the Twins system, so he's considered a very good prospect. Give him a taste? One good thing about Jorge is that he has been a very good control pitcher his whole minor league career. I could see the Twins bringing him up for a few starts if Gibson goes on the DL for a while. Shoulder soreness, whatever. 

    I contend that Buxton's long swing will not translate to the majors. He needs to become a different type of hitter to make the next step. More of a level direct cut instead of a long armed swoosh. I hope he does it before his other tools diminish.

     

    I agree with the definition of insanity post above regarding Gibson. Some of us stated a couple weeks back that we didn't need 2-4 more starts to prove anything. Yet, here we are.

     

    Actually, the Twins have a very good replacement for Buxton in AAA: Zach Granite. Send down the struggling young superstar and bring up a very fast CF with a decent bat and good base running skills. Granite is not considered a stellar prospect, but he's currently #22 in the Twins system, and he certainly won't do worse than Buxton right now at the plate. 

     

    As others have observed, Buxton's main problem is confidence, but it now manifests itself in a terrible approach at the plate. Let him break it down to the fundamentals in Rochester, then gradually build his confidence back up. We all know Buxton can hit at this level from that hot streak he went on at the end of last season. A month in AAA without the pressure of big crowds and TV cameras might allow Buxton to get his smile back. Remember, Torii Hunter was up and down several times before he finally caught on for good. 

     

    As for Gibson, I'm not sure what he needs. He's a veteran pitcher now, yet he still seems to lack command of his arsenal of pitches. What is the key variable between a good and a bad outing for this guy? It's tougher to analyze than Buxton because Gibson's difficulties don't seem to be consistent. He either shuts a team down, or he gets completely hammered. 

     

    Assuming Berrios replaces Mejia, the only starter still available on the 40-man roster is Felix Jorge down in AA Chattanooga. Jorge currently is #6 in the Twins system, so he's considered a very good prospect. Give him a taste? One good thing about Jorge is that he has been a very good control pitcher his whole minor league career. I could see the Twins bringing him up for a few starts if Gibson goes on the DL for a while. Shoulder soreness, whatever. 

     

     

    That'd be fine except that Granite is hurt and has not played all season.

    Few things worth noting in Gibson's numbers:

     

    .362 BABIP (.306 career)

    26.3% HR/FB (11.9%)

    12.9% IF hit% (5.7%)

    60.7 LOB% (69.2%)

     

    Not to mention the disproportionate number of poor defensive plays that have occurred behind him.

     

    I'm not saying he's been great, but the GB, FB, K and BB rates are more or less in line with career norms. He's been very unlucky. Based on underlying trends, I'd be much more concerned about Hughes going forward.

    Even for his career, though, Gibson has an 86 ERA+, 89 since his rookie season, and hasn't racked up a great deal of innings either.  He seems more like a home-grown Correia or Pelfrey in terms of overall effectiveness.  The fact that he's still not stepping up from the level of performance at age 29 is concerning, even if his peripherals haven't fallen off.

     

    I have no issue with saying Buxton is more more concerning, of course, and probably Hughes too.

     

    Few things worth noting in Gibson's numbers:

     

    .362 BABIP (.306 career)

    26.3% HR/FB (11.9%)

    12.9% IF hit% (5.7%)

    60.7 LOB% (69.2%)

     

    Not to mention the disproportionate number of poor defensive plays that have occurred behind him.

     

    I'm not saying he's been great, but the GB, FB, K and BB rates are more or less in line with career norms. He's been very unlucky. Based on underlying trends, I'd be much more concerned about Hughes going forward.

    Well, Gibson isn't likely to post an ERA of 9 all season.  I'll concede that point.  But a career BABIP of .306 for a guy that gets 6 K per 9 is going to give up a ton of baserunners.  And a 12% HR/FB rate seems concerningly high to me.  Especially given that his GB/FB ratio has been trending the wrong way for the last two years.  He actually allowed more fly balls than ground balls last year, which was a first for him, most likely at any level.

     

    Want to have some fun with sample size?  Take away Gibson's first half of 2015.  He posted a 2.85 ERA in 113 2/3 IP and everything was right with the world.  Other than that 3 month stretch, he has posted a 5.17 ERA in 475 2/3 IP.  So, ask yourself, which is the "real" Gibson and which is the fluke?  My take is that the real Gibson is a guy with an ERA north of 5.

    Edited by yarnivek1972

     

    Want to have some fun with sample size?  Take away Gibson's first half of 2015.  He posted a 2.85 ERA in 113 2/3 IP and everything was right with the world.  Other than that 3 month stretch, he has posted a 5.17 ERA in 475 2/3 IP.  So, ask yourself, which is the "real" Gibson and which is the fluke?  My take is that the real Gibson is a guy with an ERA north of 5.

    All fair points, but I lean the other way. In 2014/15, he posted a 3.88 FIP over 374 innings. Everything was trending up heading into 2016, when it unraveled, but then I don't think he was ever right physically last summer.

     

    Of course, possibly he'll never really be right physically again, despite his tinkering efforts during the offseason aimed to that end. So maybe it's all moot.

     

    All fair points, but I lean the other way. In 2014/15, he posted a 3.88 FIP over 374 innings. Everything was trending up heading into 2016, when it unraveled, but then I don't think he was ever right physically last summer.

     

    Of course, possibly he'll never really be right physically again, despite his tinkering efforts during the offseason aimed to that end. So maybe it's all moot.

     

    I actually think you have to go further back.  It started to turn to the crapper in the second half of 2015.  5.22 ERA in that half season.  5.07 last year.  9 so far this year.  That's 40 plus starts with an ERA well over 5.  That's approaching half of his career.

     

    I'm not saying he's been great, but the GB, FB, K and BB rates are more or less in line with career norms. He's been very unlucky. Based on underlying trends, I'd be much more concerned about Hughes going forward.

    Yeah, I'm worried about Hughes as well. I think he will implode within the next month or so. 

     

    Man, I wish May was healthy. We could really use him in the rotation right now...

    I guess I'd have to know what you would call "imploding" by Hughes.  I personally think he can still be a 6-7 IP guy with an ERA in the high 4 range.  He did basically miss all of last year.  It's going to take some time to get back into a rhythm.  Is he overpaid for that level of production?  Immensely.  Is there thing one that can be done about it? No.  So, smile, grit your teeth when he starts and hope for a 6-7 IP guy with an ERA in the high 4 range.  I think the mistake in his last start was Molitor believing the Twins still had a chance to win the game when they were down 5-2.  Made sense.  Tomlin's been terrible.  Realistically Hughes could have gone another couple innings and saved the pen a little.

    Gibson, and Buxton, represent the total dysfunction of this team in developing their players.  If you look at their current pitching staff, just Gibson, Taylor Rogers, Tyler Duffy, and Mike Tonkin were developed within the Twins organization. That is it.  So, in the 6 years of futility and 90+ losses that gave us top of the order draft picks, the Twins have 4 marginal MLB pitchers drafted by the organization on the roster.  FOUR.  And it aint like any of these guys was rushed to the majors (Gibson was pushed, by the Twins standards a bit but that was because he had injuries).  They all moved through the system basically stepwise.

     

    Buxton is a different case and it is baffling why he isn't performing even at a replacement level.  But, I am going to tell you the mistake the Twins made with Buxton.  They should have moved him up to the major leagues when he was 19 years old.  The major league team in 2013 was a 96 loss team so bringing up a minor league player wasn't going to cost them anything and they had 322 PA available for a no-body like Clete Thomas.  

     

    Bringing Buxton up at the height of his confidence would have probably changed this story.  I have been saying this all along and Buxton is an exhibit of WHAT IS THE DOWN SIDE.  We would have lost more than 96 games?  We would have been deprived of the joy of watching Clete Thomas play CF?   That Buxton would have shown up ready for the major leagues????  Really.  At the MLB level this guy looks like he has never played the game before.  What good did those extra games in AA and AAA do for the kid?  Not a damn thing.

     

    Few things worth noting in Gibson's numbers:

     

    .362 BABIP (.306 career)

    26.3% HR/FB (11.9%)

    12.9% IF hit% (5.7%)

    60.7 LOB% (69.2%)

     

    Not to mention the disproportionate number of poor defensive plays that have occurred behind him.

     

    I'm not saying he's been great, but the GB, FB, K and BB rates are more or less in line with career norms. He's been very unlucky. Based on underlying trends, I'd be much more concerned about Hughes going forward.

     

    So how do you differentiate whether the difference is due to luck or due to loss of effectiveness? It's surely a combination of both, but Gibson has been pretty ineffective for the better part of a year and a half now. It's not just luck that he's regularly living on the wrong side of his already unimpressive career numbers.

     

    Gibson, and Buxton, represent the total dysfunction of this team in developing their players.  If you look at their current pitching staff, just Gibson, Taylor Rogers, Tyler Duffy, and Mike Tonkin were developed within the Twins organization. That is it.  So, in the 6 years of futility and 90+ losses that gave us top of the order draft picks, the Twins have 4 marginal MLB pitchers drafted by the organization on the roster.  FOUR.  And it aint like any of these guys was rushed to the majors (Gibson was pushed, by the Twins standards a bit but that was because he had injuries).  They all moved through the system basically stepwise.

     

    Buxton is a different case and it is baffling why he isn't performing even at a replacement level.  But, I am going to tell you the mistake the Twins made with Buxton.  They should have moved him up to the major leagues when he was 19 years old.  The major league team in 2013 was a 96 loss team so bringing up a minor league player wasn't going to cost them anything and they had 322 PA available for a no-body like Clete Thomas.  

     

    Bringing Buxton up at the height of his confidence would have probably changed this story.  I have been saying this all along and Buxton is an exhibit of WHAT IS THE DOWN SIDE.  We would have lost more than 96 games?  We would have been deprived of the joy of watching Clete Thomas play CF?   That Buxton would have shown up ready for the major leagues????  Really.  At the MLB level this guy looks like he has never played the game before.  What good did those extra games in AA and AAA do for the kid?  Not a damn thing.

     

    There is much to criticize about the Twins development, but neither of these strike me as all that convincing.

     

    The total amount of players on the roster drafted by the team is actually pretty comparable to most teams around the league. But what has really killed the franchise during the last 6 years is they have been so bad at talent acquisition from means other than the draft. They were so mediocre in their trades, not much for free agent signings or waiver pickups, very few of the sign and flip type deals.

     

    And for all the hot takes floating around about Buxton's development, I never thought I'd see that he wasn't rushed enough.

     

    There is much to criticize about the Twins development, but neither of these strike me as all that convincing.

     

    The total amount of players on the roster drafted by the team is actually pretty comparable to most teams around the league. But what has really killed the franchise during the last 6 years is they have been so bad at talent acquisition from means other than the draft. They were so mediocre in their trades, not much for free agent signings or waiver pickups, very few of the sign and flip type deals.

     

    And for all the hot takes floating around about Buxton's development, I never thought I'd see that he wasn't rushed enough.

     

    Most teams have their best SP they developed internally be Kyle Gibson? He's pretty much been the only SP to last more than 2 years in, what, the last 5+ years?

     

     

    Edited by Mike Sixel

     

    Most teams have their best SP they developed internally be Kyle Gibson? He's pretty much been the only SP to last more than 2 years in, what, the last 5+ years?

     

    A lot of teams have no internally developed starters.

     

    For example, the most recent World Series Champion.

    Edited by drjim

     

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    You would literally expect better from a random Single-A scrub thrown onto the big-league stage. From a player of such immense talent who posted an .880 OPS in the minors, it boggles the mind.

    ...

     

    I think this line is correct and says a lot.

    Once upon a time the Twins had a SS named Greg Gagne. Occasionally he would find himself hitting over .300 and would immediately go into a decline. While I am not a psychotherapist I always thought Gagne either felt he wasn't as good as his numbers were getting to be or he didn't 'deserve' to have that much success.

     

    I am starting to feel the same way about Buck.

    I think there is something wrong with his head.

     

    A lot of teams have no internally developed starters.

     

    For example, the most recent World Series Champion.

     

    Huh, I had no idea no one developed their own starters.

     

    Where do they all come from? Trades? We'll agree they've utterly failed at trades lately.

     

    How can you see rosters and how players were acquired?

    Edited by Mike Sixel

     

    A lot of teams have no internally developed starters.

     

    For example, the most recent World Series Champion.

    That would make me more optimistic about the lack of promise in our pipeline if the Twins had a proven ability and desire to acquire pitchers from outside the organization. Because right now that's the only way this front office is going to get a league-average staff pulled together before the end of the decade.

    Huh, I had no idea no one developed their own starters.

     

    Where do they all come from? Trades? We'll agree they've utterly failed at trades lately.

     

    How can you see rosters and how players were acquired?

    I just use fangraphs and click through.

     

    I did a quick and dirty search last year, average is less than 2 per team.

    I'd forgotten about this (projections, not sure if they've done one where you see the actuals):

     

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-the-teams-were-built/

     

    sort by trades, not pretty......note that while they have 15 drafted players in 2016, those 15 account for only 12.5 WAR (that's not a great ratio, btw).

     

     

    That would make me more optimistic about the lack of promise in our pipeline if the Twins had a proven ability and desire to acquire pitchers from outside the organization. Because right now that's the only way this front office is going to get a league-average staff pulled together before the end of the decade.

    Very fair, but the fact there is a new front office gives me some hope. They've started conservative, but I anticipate an aggressive push for talent acquisition over the next year and a half.

    I'd forgotten about this (projections, not sure if they've done one where you see the actuals):

     

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-the-teams-were-built/

     

    sort by trades, not pretty......note that while they have 15 drafted players in 2016, those 15 account for only 12.5 WAR (that's not a great ratio, btw).

    And drafted players (in original org) will skew heavily towards everyday guys over starting pitchers.

     

    I'd forgotten about this (projections, not sure if they've done one where you see the actuals):

     

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-the-teams-were-built/

     

    sort by trades, not pretty......note that while they have 15 drafted players in 2016, those 15 account for only 12.5 WAR (that's not a great ratio, btw).

    Yeah, that trade number is ugly.

     

    I'd like to see the 2017 numbers. I'd expect the Twins amateur draft and international signings should look a fair amount better.




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