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    Pondering A Plan For Jorge Polanco


    Nick Nelson

    As we gear up for a crucial Minnesota Twins offseason, we have talked – and will continue to talk – about pitching a great deal. But on the other side, Jorge Polanco stands out as one of the most pivotal figures in the organization's planning.

    Today, we'll take a look at five options for handling the talented young infielder heading into 2017.

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    Polanco has been a longtime star in Minnesota's system. He has been among the Top 10 on Twins Daily's top prospect list each of the past three years, performing well at each level of the minors. In 2014 he became the youngest Twin to debut in the majors since Joe Mauer a decade before. And this year, in his first prolonged taste of the big leagues, he put up very strong numbers and looked every bit the part of an everyday MLB player.

    But the problem now, as it has been for the past few seasons, is that there's no obvious full-time opening for the 23-year-old switch-hitter. And while patience has been an affordable luxury in the past, that is no longer the case.

    Polanco will be out of options in 2017, meaning that the Twins will need to keep him on the roster out of spring training or lose him. That reality will weigh heavily as they lay things out for next season.

    As I see it, the Twins have five different routes they can take with Polanco. Let's run through the merits of each:

    1. Starting Shortstop

    For a few reasons, this would appear to be the most likely outcome. First, because the Twins don't really have another strong candidate for the position. Eduardo Escobar is the only alternative and he had a tough year that ended on an extremely sour note (.384 OPS in September). Second, because Polanco was Paul Molitor's exclusive starter at shortstop in the final six weeks of the season. That would seem to set the stage for a full-time assignment going forward.

    However, there's a problem here, and it's a big one. Polanco is not a good defender at shortstop. The organization had essentially given up on playing him there in the minors before he was called up. Defensive metrics rate him very poorly at the position. Even Molitor, the manager who wrote his name in at shortstop daily in the final stretch of the campaign, would only say that Polanco "handled it fairly well" and was "not going to get an 'A' grade."

    The Twins need to vastly improve in terms of run prevention, and defense is a big part of that. Outside of catcher, shortstop is arguably the most important position on the field. In my opinion, rolling with a subpar glove like Polanco is simply not an option.

    2. Starting Second Baseman

    I think everyone can agree that this is Polanco's best position. It minimizes his primary weakness (his arm) and allows his strengths to shine. It's where he spent all of his time in the Dominican Winter League last year and in Rochester this year before joining the Twins for good.

    Of course, he happens to be blocked at this position by Minnesota's best player. As long as Brian Dozier is on the roster, second base is off limits. I do think the possibility of a Dozier trade is reasonably strong, so Polanco could still end up here. But as things stand, it's not an option.

    3. Starting Third Baseman

    Sort of an intriguing possibility. If the Twins want to move on from Trevor Plouffe and his expensive 2017 commitment but aren't ready to entrust Miguel Sano with the position following a very shaky defensive showing this year, Polanco could be a solution. He didn't look especially good in his nine starts at the hot corner this year, but could improve if it is his focus heading into the offseason and spring training.

    However, the downsides here are clear. His arm might play a little better at third than short, but still would hardly be an asset. And while his bat stands out at a middle infield spot, that's less true at an offense-driven corner position. This year, American League third basemen posted the highest OPS of any position other than DH.

    4. Backup or Utility Man

    This idea has its appeal. In a utility role, Polanco would be able to fill in a few times per week around the diamond, and would be an excellent fallback if (when?) one of the starters fizzled or got hurt. With his ability to swing from both sides and his solid speed, he would be a handy piece of have on the bench.

    Yet, it feels like a bit of a waste. It's also not especially fair to the player. Polanco has shown enough during his time in the majors to justify an everyday role. He's still in a developmental stage and that could be hindered by a lack of regular playing time.

    5. Trade Him

    I really wonder if this is what they are leaning toward. In the latter part of the season, Polanco was constantly playing shortstop and frequently batting third in the order. Does the team really view him as that caliber of player, or were they simply showcasing him for the rest of the league?

    Everyone knows Polanco would be fine at second, but now teams have plenty of film to evaluate and make their own judgments about his proclivity at short. The Twins know that if they want to acquire impact talent via trade, it might mean giving up some of their own coveted young players. Polanco is among the only ones among that group that could really be viewed as expendable.

    What it comes down to is how much the rest of the execs around the league value Polanco. It doesn't make sense to give up a young, controllable middle infielder who has proven his capabilities at the major-league level unless you're getting a significant haul in return. Given that Polanco has a well-rounded yet unspectacular skill set, I do wonder if a sufficient offer is going to come.

    What would be your plan for Polanco this offseason?

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    Let me tell you, I have been researching the free agent market for the Offseason Handbook and the shortstop crop is beyond brutal. Erick Aybar is probably going to be the top name. For real. I'll take Ed Escobar.

    ouch! I look forward to the handbook, regardless of the FA SS report

    Honest question, all of you that want to trade Dozier, what are you expecting realistically in return?

    a 28 year old pitcher with a lifetime era 3.84?

    Somebody like Dylan Bundy or Shelby Miller?

    or just more pitching prospects like we have?

    or a top pitching prospect like Alex Reyes, Tyler Glasnow, Lucas Giolito?

    Would you be happy in a Dozier for Tyler Jay trade?

     

    I think sometimes people just like the unknown more.

    (the 28 old pitcher mentioned about is Hector Santiago)

     

    I would trade him but if it was for prospects the best of them would have to be in at least AA and a few below with crazy high ceilings.

     

     

    Individual players don't sell tickets, not Brian Dozier. How many less people buy tickets if they trade him? 50? 100? 1000 (no way)?

    Agreed, but if they trade are only 40 homer in about a half century for a bunch of minor leaguers that won't be here for a few years, it will cause people to not buy tickets, if there are any still willing to buy.

    We have traded a All stars before Frankie V and Johan and gotten back of bunch of crap, if they trade him they need to bring in somebody that steps up right away.

     

    Honest question, all of you that want to trade Dozier, what are you expecting realistically in return?

    a 28 year old pitcher with a lifetime era 3.84?

    Somebody like Dylan Bundy or Shelby Miller?

    or just more pitching prospects like we have?

    or a top pitching prospect like Alex Reyes, Tyler Glasnow, Lucas Giolito?

    Would you be happy in a Dozier for Tyler Jay trade?

     

    I think sometimes people just like the unknown more.

    (the 28 old pitcher mentioned about is Hector Santiago)

     

    I would trade him but if it was for prospects the best of them would have to be in at least AA and a few below with crazy high ceilings.

     Prospects, or at least one good prospect who is on the cusp who is AA/AAA. Because the Twins are rebuilding, I would not want a 28, or 25 year old pitcher who has already had time in the majors. The exception would be someone like Chris Archer, but Tampa isn't giving him up.

    Agreed, but if they trade are only 40 homer in about a half century for a bunch of minor leaguers that won't be here for a few years, it will cause people to not buy tickets, if there are any still willing to buy.

    We have traded a All stars before Frankie V and Johan and gotten back of bunch of crap, if they trade him they need to bring in somebody that steps up right away.

    . While there certainly will be people who buy tickets based on a certain player, Dozier, Hunter, et al, the reason to keep or trade a player is what will he do for you in the future, and will the trade make you a better team or not. The reality is if you win, you sell tickets, and if you lose, even with a player who once hit 40 HR's you don't. Doziers future should be decided on the basis of whether his presence, or trade helps the team win long term.

    Solid offense doesn't do a good job of making up for poor defense up the middle. There are just too many opportunities for lack of range, poor feed on the double play and errors to occur at those spots. When that happens innings are extended, pitch counts are extended and bullpens are overused. The burden on the pitching staff of poor defense at key defensive positions takes a toll in places beyond a player's defensive ranking.

     

    I still do think it is possible that the Twins find a way to play Polanco at SS. They need to mare than make up for his deficit at catcher and center field in order to play him. Buxton should be the starting CF all year. They need a real back up plan that can actually be a plus glove in CF though. Santana is not an option. Rosario and Kepler are not options for any long term play in CF. The combination of any of those three and Polanco would be a losing one. If they want to play Polanco, they need a catcher who can contribute more outs stopping the running game. They need a catcher with receiving skills that is on the plus side of framing strikes. A handful of extra pitches every game will lead to more innings from the starters. It is not a matter of just raw count either. Getting that extra strike in any at bat is going to shorten the entire at bat. Starting 1-2 vs 2-1 or 0-1 vs 1-0 will force the batter to be more aggressive and swing at pitches outside the zone. The Twins don't have that catcher ready for next year. It isn't going to be Centeno. It isn't going to be Garver. I don't know if Murphy can be that framer. For his career, he is a plus. He isn't going to contribute outs in the running game.

     

    Want to start Polanco? Find a defense first catcher (no bat required) and back him up with Murphy. Do you like the possibility of Garver's bat at catcher? Find a defense first SS and see if Garver can be ready by June. Want to give up a lot of runs and burden the bullpen? Play Suzuki, Polanco and Rosario(or Santana) at the key up the middle spots.

     

    My Choice would be starting utility. 

     

    He plays whatever position we need that day. 

     

    Give him the chance to perform... Have an option ready in case he doesn't perform. 

    Same here.  I don't really understand the rush.  We've got 2 serviceable guys and a bunch of young players all around.  I think the Twins played Polanco a lot at SS last season as a 'wish and a prayer' that he could keep the job.  IDK.

     

    Keeping Polanco in the MLB in 2017 is the right move.  Who knows;  at this point he may be a super sub. 

     

    Or we could start over with a fresh bowl:  http://www.factslides.com/imgs/i48.jpg

    This article made me feel quite depressed for the following reasons.  Polanco is one of the Twins more consistent young hitters.  Jorge Polanco was first placed on the Twins 40 man roster in the fall of 2013 and was ranked in the top 100 MLB prospects in 2016 (97th after Buxton, Kepler and Gordon as position players).  He was signed in 2009 and the Twins as an organization have invested 7 years into his development.  The Twins finished in last in all of MLB by about 10 games and yet we don't really have a place on the roster for Polanco because his defense is questionable.  The good news is that he is only 23.  However, it seems to me that the Twins should have resolved this situation years ago.  Resolution has many forms. Accept his defensive shortcomings and play him at SS (but he played 2B most recently in the minors).  Trade Dozier, Trade Polanco.  But the Twins organization did none of these.  It indicates an extreme lack of planning in player development in the organization.

    Right now, no one needs to trade for a Minnesota Twin player. Period. The Twins will ask for the moon for the couple that have possible worth (salary, experience = Dozier, Ervin Santana). Anyone else, they can find equally substantial candidates pretty much anywheres for a fraction of the cost.The Twins are a mess. Players will slump again (as many do in their second year). The Twins have to think and play and trust longterm in their system. Period. They do have to make some decisions on where guys are playing, and start doing it early and getting a depth chart (realistic) going instead of experimenting.

    I can feel the grain of TD land as I type each letter but screw it, here we go:

     

    One thing to consider that I haven't seen many people mention is that there is no guarantee Polanco maintains his rookie season offensive stats and/or his fielding continues to be a sore spot in his game.

     

    I'm sure I sound like Mr. Obvious with that statement, but if you haven't noticed the certainty when discussing this, that there is no doubt Polanco will pull through for us next year and in the future, then maybe some of this should be pointed out. We have seen both Danny Santana and Danny Valencia in recent years take a plunge in their 2nd season. You could make an argument for Sano as well. A big reason for trading Dozier since the most recent trade discussions began is "well, we have Polanco to be an adequate replacement for Dozier at 2B." That's a pretty large assumption and it is one of the most common arguments for both trading Dozier and for placing Polanco at 2B.

     

    If we do trade Dozier and Polanco does fill in his spot and he thrives at the position, awesome, everything worked out the way we were hoping. I'm sure that's a risk most here are willing to take and I wouldn't blame anyone for taking it, but we have to remember it is a risk and not a guarantee.

    Some ways Polanco's 2016 season differed from Santana's 2014 season.  

     

    Polanco's BABIP was like 80 points lower than Santana's and within 4 points of what his professional BABIP is.  His K rate was quite a bit lower than Santana's and his walk rate was higher.  And it's not like Polanco's offense was through the roof, either. He had a wRC+ of 101.  In other words, nothing seems fluky about his offensive production.  Nothing screams outs as unsustainable.

     

    Not to say he won't crash and burn, but I see little comparison to Santana's 2014.

    Edited by jimmer

    The difference between Polanco and DSan, making one not a very good comp for the other, is that Polanco was playing full-time at single-A at age 19, and acquitting himself very well at the plate. His progression up the minor league chain was consistent. Santana hit less well, at one year older, at single-A, and his progression was likewise consistent. At young ages, such differences are huge, unless you disbelieve their birth certificates.

     

    Of course you have to have a Plan B on the 40-man roster to cover for Polanco, if you decide to trade Dozier. All kind of surprises can occur. That doesn't mean taking the most pessimistic view on him.

     

    Agreed, but if they trade are only 40 homer in about a half century for a bunch of minor leaguers that won't be here for a few years, it will cause people to not buy tickets, if there are any still willing to buy.

    We have traded a All stars before Frankie V and Johan and gotten back of bunch of crap, if they trade him they need to bring in somebody that steps up right away.

    I tend to agree with your last sentence, but having the only 40 HR hitting player in half a century provided neither wins nor butts in seats.  The attendance impact of trading Dozier would likely be a positive one if what they acquire nets them a return that helps win more games.  I don't really see how attendance would get worse based on Dozier's presence, or lack thereof, alone.  

     

     Prospects, or at least one good prospect who is on the cusp who is AA/AAA. Because the Twins are rebuilding, I would not want a 28, or 25 year old pitcher who has already had time in the majors. The exception would be someone like Chris Archer, but Tampa isn't giving him up.

    so we trade Dozier for Philip Humber, Deolis Guerra, and Kevin Mulvey?

     

    what does on the cup of AA/AAA mean? Is that Kohl Stewart, Felix Jorge, Tyler Jay, Fernando Romero, Randy Rosario,Stephen Gonsalves, Adalberto Mejia, Jose Berrios?

     

    Is that the kind of players you are talking about? Lets say those were the prospects from a team that needed a second baseman, what would it take to trade Dozier to them?

    (for me it would have to be Berrios, and two more of them)

    Edited by Tomj14

     

    so we trade Dozier for Philip Humber, Deolis Guerra, and Kevin Mulvey?

     

    what does on the cup of AA/AAA mean? Is that Kohl Stewart, Felix Jorge, Tyler Jay, Fernando Romero, Randy Rosario,Stephen Gonsalves, Adalberto Mejia, Jose Berrios?

     

    Is that the kind of players you are talking about? Lets say those were the prospects from a team that needed a second baseman, what would it take to trade Dozier to them?

    (for me it would have to be Berrios, and two more of them)

     

    I would trade Dozier for 2 SPs in AA that are in the top 50-60 of prospects, yes. Not that you asked me....

     

    This article made me feel quite depressed for the following reasons.  Polanco is one of the Twins more consistent young hitters.  Jorge Polanco was first placed on the Twins 40 man roster in the fall of 2013 and was ranked in the top 100 MLB prospects in 2016 (97th after Buxton, Kepler and Gordon as position players).  He was signed in 2009 and the Twins as an organization have invested 7 years into his development.  The Twins finished in last in all of MLB by about 10 games and yet we don't really have a place on the roster for Polanco because his defense is questionable.  The good news is that he is only 23.  However, it seems to me that the Twins should have resolved this situation years ago.  Resolution has many forms. Accept his defensive shortcomings and play him at SS (but he played 2B most recently in the minors).  Trade Dozier, Trade Polanco.  But the Twins organization did none of these.  It indicates an extreme lack of planning in player development in the organization.

    Pro's/con's to starting a dudes clock early, through 40-man or any other way. It is obviously bad, if whatever clock is started too early and you are not getting any production during the cheap years. It is also bad if the player starts to blossom too much right before arb/FA eligible. You are not getting enough cheap production and having to either pay too much to keep or lose the player. 

     

    Good, its possible a player could not really produce enough early, and then be talked into a cheap extension, and then blossom while being in prime....like Dozier kinda.

     

    I would trade Dozier for 2 SPs in AA that are in the top 50-60 of prospects, yes. Not that you asked me....

    I am really asking anybody, it just doesn't seem anybody is realistic on what we could get. I went to MLB prospects (I know there are probably better ones and looked at their top 100 - just pitchers)

    I don't see a team that fits what you are looking for.

    Lucas Giolite (3) - Wash
    Alex Reyes (7) - Stl
    Tyler Glasnow (8) - Pit
    Anderson Espinoza (13) - SD
    Francis Martes (29) - Hou
    Jason Groome (30) - Bos
    Jose De Leon (32) - LAD
    Josh Hader(33) - Mil
    Jeff Hoffman (34) - Col
    Tyler Jay (35) - MN
    Braxton Garrett (36) - Mia
    Reynaldo Lopez (37) - Wash
    Riley Pint (38) - Col
    Brent Honeywell(39) - TB
    Sean Newcomb (46) - Atl
    Luis Ortiz (51) - Mil
    Phil Bickford (53) - Mil
    Yohander Mendez (55) - Tex
    Robert Stephenson (56) - Cin
    Carson Fulmer (57) - ChiW
    Kolby Allard (60) - Atl
    Brady Aiken (63) - Cle
    A.J. Puk (64) - Oak
    Matt Manning (65) - Det
    Michael Kopech (67) - Bos
    Grant Holmes (68) - Oak
    Forrest Whitley (69) - Hou
    David Paulino (70) - Hou
    Mitch Keller (72) - Pit
    Erick Fedde (75) - Wash
    Sean Reid-Foley (76) - Tor
    Ian Anderson (77) - Atl
    Justus Sheffield (78) - NYY
    Luke Weaver (81) - Stl
    Stephen Gonsalves (85) - MN
    Mike Soroka (90) - Atl
    Yadier Alvarez (91) - LAD
    Triston McKenzie (95) - Cle
    Dylan Cease (97) - ChiC
    Tyler Beede (98) - SF
    German Marquez (100) - Col

    So our two best trading partners are Atlanta and Milwaukee. (Neither is trading for Dozier)
    Next three are Washington , Colorado and Houston, don't need a 2B.
    Next is Pittsburgh, maybe they would be willing if they didn't include Glasnow.
    Finally you have the Dodgers (32 and 91)

     

    Edited by Tomj14

    I am really asking anybody, it just doesn't seem anybody is realistic on what we could get. I went to MLB prospects (I know there are probably better ones and looked at their top 100 - just pitchers)

    I don't see a team that fits what you are looking for.

    Lucas Giolite (3) - Wash

    Alex Reyes (7) - Stl

    Tyler Glasnow (8) - Pit

    Anderson Espinoza (13) - SD

    Francis Martes (29) - Hou

    Jason Groome (30) - Bos

    Jose De Leon (32) - LAD

    Josh Hader(33) - Mil

    Jeff Hoffman (34) - Col

    Tyler Jay (35) - MN

    Braxton Garrett (36) - Mia

    Reynaldo Lopez (37) - Wash

    Riley Pint (38) - Col

    Brent Honeywell(39) - TB

    Sean Newcomb (46) - Atl

    Luis Ortiz (51) - Mil

    Phil Bickford (53) - Mil

    Yohander Mendez (55) - Tex

    Robert Stephenson (56) - Cin

    Carson Fulmer (57) - ChiW

    Kolby Allard (60) - Atl

    Brady Aiken (63) - Cle

    A.J. Puk (64) - Oak

    Matt Manning (65) - Det

    Michael Kopech (67) - Bos

    Grant Holmes (68) - Oak

    Forrest Whitley (69) - Hou

    David Paulino (70) - Hou

    Mitch Keller (72) - Pit

    Erick Fedde (75) - Wash

    Sean Reid-Foley (76) - Tor

    Ian Anderson (77) - Atl

    Justus Sheffield (78) - NYY

    Luke Weaver (81) - Stl

    Stephen Gonsalves (85) - MN

    Mike Soroka (90) - Atl

    Yadier Alvarez (91) - LAD

    Triston McKenzie (95) - Cle

    Dylan Cease (97) - ChiC

    Tyler Beede (98) - SF

    German Marquez (100) - Col

    So our two best trading partners are Atlanta and Milwaukee. (Neither is trading for Dozier)

    Next three are Washington , Colorado and Houston, don't need a 2B.

    Next is Pittsburgh, maybe they would be willing if they didn't include Glasnow.

    Finally you have the Dodgers (32 and 91)

    I like prospect rankings as much as anyone, but I think they are way overrated sometimes.

    These are human beings, being evaluated by other human beings.

     

    Dozier was never a top prospect.

    Where was Kluber ranked when Cleveland traded for him?

    Where were Liriano and Nathan ranked when we traded for them?

     

    I won't get too worked up about the rankings, so long as it's the new guy making the call.

    It's OK to trust your scouts, and outscout the other team.

     

    I am really asking anybody, it just doesn't seem anybody is realistic on what we could get. I went to MLB prospects (I know there are probably better ones and looked at their top 100 - just pitchers)

    I don't see a team that fits what you are looking for.

    Lucas Giolite (3) - Wash
    Alex Reyes (7) - Stl
    Tyler Glasnow (8) - Pit
    Anderson Espinoza (13) - SD
    Francis Martes (29) - Hou
    Jason Groome (30) - Bos
    Jose De Leon (32) - LAD
    Josh Hader(33) - Mil
    Jeff Hoffman (34) - Col
    Tyler Jay (35) - MN
    Braxton Garrett (36) - Mia
    Reynaldo Lopez (37) - Wash
    Riley Pint (38) - Col
    Brent Honeywell(39) - TB
    Sean Newcomb (46) - Atl
    Luis Ortiz (51) - Mil
    Phil Bickford (53) - Mil
    Yohander Mendez (55) - Tex
    Robert Stephenson (56) - Cin
    Carson Fulmer (57) - ChiW
    Kolby Allard (60) - Atl
    Brady Aiken (63) - Cle
    A.J. Puk (64) - Oak
    Matt Manning (65) - Det
    Michael Kopech (67) - Bos
    Grant Holmes (68) - Oak
    Forrest Whitley (69) - Hou
    David Paulino (70) - Hou
    Mitch Keller (72) - Pit
    Erick Fedde (75) - Wash
    Sean Reid-Foley (76) - Tor
    Ian Anderson (77) - Atl
    Justus Sheffield (78) - NYY
    Luke Weaver (81) - Stl
    Stephen Gonsalves (85) - MN
    Mike Soroka (90) - Atl
    Yadier Alvarez (91) - LAD
    Triston McKenzie (95) - Cle
    Dylan Cease (97) - ChiC
    Tyler Beede (98) - SF
    German Marquez (100) - Col

    So our two best trading partners are Atlanta and Milwaukee. (Neither is trading for Dozier)
    Next three are Washington , Colorado and Houston, don't need a 2B.
    Next is Pittsburgh, maybe they would be willing if they didn't include Glasnow.
    Finally you have the Dodgers (32 and 91)

     

    I never said there was....you asked if I'd trade him for 2 guys in AA that were similar to what the Twins have.....

     

    I'd also trade him for a top 50 or pitcher and a catcher and another prospect.

     

    I like prospect rankings as much as anyone, but I think they are way overrated sometimes.
    These are human beings, being evaluated by other human beings.

    Dozier was never a top prospect.
    Where was Kluber ranked when Cleveland traded for him?
    Where were Liriano and Nathan ranked when we traded for them?

    I won't get too worked up about the rankings, so long as it's the new guy making the call.
    It's OK to trust your scouts, and outscout the other team.

    I completely agree with you about rankings but I needed something to use as reference of where other teams prospects were. I really was trying to say - it is great and all to say I want this and that from other teams, but those teams need to have that (most don't have what people are asking for)

    Gems are always great and scouting can find the guys floundering on other teams (Kluber and Liriano for example) but I don't want a trade for an established player to revolve around that kind of player.

     

    so we trade Dozier for Philip Humber, Deolis Guerra, and Kevin Mulvey?

     

    what does on the cup of AA/AAA mean? Is that Kohl Stewart, Felix Jorge, Tyler Jay, Fernando Romero, Randy Rosario,Stephen Gonsalves, Adalberto Mejia, Jose Berrios?

     

    Is that the kind of players you are talking about? Lets say those were the prospects from a team that needed a second baseman, what would it take to trade Dozier to them?

    (for me it would have to be Berrios, and two more of them)

    I tend to agree. The Twins have a fair amount of those pitchers in the system already. We are a lot thinner at C and SS IMO.

     

    I wonder if the Braves could be a sneaky trade partner though. They are opening a new park and will have to put together a competitive team somewise somehow. They do have some middle infielders already but maybe they would listen on Dozier for the star power he offers. He's also a southerner so maybe there'd be a one of us angle.

    I wonder if they'd part with an Ozzie Albies for him.

    Edited by Willihammer

     

    so we trade Dozier for Philip Humber, Deolis Guerra, and Kevin Mulvey?

     

    what does on the cup of AA/AAA mean? Is that Kohl Stewart, Felix Jorge, Tyler Jay, Fernando Romero, Randy Rosario,Stephen Gonsalves, Adalberto Mejia, Jose Berrios?

     

    Is that the kind of players you are talking about? Lets say those were the prospects from a team that needed a second baseman, what would it take to trade Dozier to them?

    (for me it would have to be Berrios, and two more of them)

     

    Just because a trade for prospects didn't work once doesn't mean you wouldn't do that again. I want to believe that Falvey and company would know the types of players they are looking for, and would acquire players that at some point they believe could help the major league roster. If that means a top 50 prospect and a couple of other lower level pitchers, or even a top 50 prospect who is a year or so away along with someone who has had a cup of coffee in the majors and is ready to be in the rotation, I am good with that. They will be able to acquire talent for Dozier, and they should definitely do that.

    When's the last time that happened?

    I'm working under the assumption that the new guy will be better.

    I think that's all we can do is embrace him and give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

     

    Other organizations hit jackpots, I'm hoping Falvey can hit a few too.

     

     

    I wonder if they'd part with an Ozzie Albies for him.

     

    This is a nice thought.  The Twins really need a great SS.  Of the 10 teams (including wild card) that made the playoffs this year only the Nationals (19) and the Rangers (16) did not have a top ten SS by WAR.  Data from fangraphs.  Of the 4 teams that played / are playing in the LCS, Seager (1), Lindor (3), Russell (7) and Tulowitzki (10).  

     

    Currently the Braves do not have a decent 2B.  Jace Peterson had 0 WAR and ranks near the bottom on NL 2B in defensive metrics.  Most likely the Braves will either play Albies or Swanson at 2B depending on who wins the SS position.  The Yankees also have 2 SS on MLB top SS prospect list.

     

    BTW, Albies fractured his throwing elbow about 1 month ago.  Not sure what his recovery time is.  They do need a better 2B.

     

    In the pre-draft analysis for 2017, the top SS are high schoolers is Jayson Gonzalez and Mark Vientos which minor league baseball have ranked at 20 and 28th respectively.  http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/8/14/12477008/2017-mlb-draft-prospect-an-early-top-50  There is one more spring of baseball so some of this can change.  Short analysis is that the Twins won't solve there SS need in this years draft.

     

     

     




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