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    Edouard Julien and José Miranda Are Floundering in Triple-A


    The former young hitting standouts are getting worked by minor-league pitchers in a highly favorable offensive environment, which is a very grim sign for their outlooks.

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    This season is only two months old, but already we've seen plenty of examples that illustrate the massive chasm in competition level between the major leagues and the highest rung of the minors. It has been routine for players to look completely overmatched against MLB pitching before heading down to Triple-A and feasting (or vice versa). 

    Case in point: Mickey Gasper. During his time with the Twins, he's looked like a total non-threat, tallying six hits (one double) in 39 plate appearances. In his overall MLB sample, Gasper has slashed .115/.258/.135 in 62 trips. But when he returns to the comforts of Triple-A he instantly looks like Babe Ruth; in 109 plate appearances with the Saints, Gasper is slashing .348/.450/.717 with nine home runs and 18 RBIs. This after leading all of Triple-A in OPS last year, while in Boston's system. 

    Another prime example: Carson McCusker. He's been destroying minor-league pitching this year, with a 1.032 OPS that leads the International League. Yet despite this dominance, the Twins were extremely reluctant to call him up, and when they did — for a handful of days — they showed no inclination to play him. 

    And then you see what happens when actually really good hitters get a chance against Triple-A pitching. Matt Wallner was utterly unstoppable during his rehab stint with the Saint this past week, crushing five home runs and driving in 13 men in just 27 plate appearances. The reaction from the opposing pitcher on his latest bomb — a three-run shot in the eighth that turned a loss into a win — was very much giving the vibe of, "Why am I facing this guy in the minor leagues, this is stupid."

    I mention all this to set up a review of José Miranda and Edouard Julien's and performances in Triple-A since they were optioned there on April 13th and May 5th, respectively. It's been ugly. Really ugly.

    Miranda immediately landed on the minor-league injured list after being sent down, due to a hand injury suffered while handling a case of water at Target. Since being activated, Miranda has exhibited the same fatal flaws that plagued him in the second half last year and out of the gates with the Twins this season. He's putting the ball in play but his quality of contact is atrocious. Miranda has struck out only seven times in 65 plate appearances with St. Paul but he is batting .224 with a .310 slugging percentage. He has five doubles and no home runs. 

    In fact, between the minors and majors, Miranda has hit just one homer in his past 78 games and 272 plate appearances, dating back to before the All-Star break in 2024. That one long ball came on this breaking ball hung by Houston's Spencer Arrighetti

    Now, before you write Miranda off, bear in mind that he's still only 26 years old and around this time last year he started locking into an unbelievable hot streak that saw him clobber everything thrown his way. At the All-Star break, the third baseman was slashing .325/.366/.522 with nine homers and 21 doubles in 276 plate appearances. Then, his back flared up, and he's never been the same again since.

    It's unnerving, in light of what we just saw back injuries do to the career of Alex Kirilloff. But let's not allow that one example to guide our expectations. In plenty of cases, injuries clear up, and their lingering after-effects wear off. Miranda has shown how quickly fortunes can change for the worse. Why can't the opposite be true? We know what kind of hitting ability resides within him at his best.

    Julien is a trickier one to find optimism with. There is no apparent health-related factor contributing to his downfall. It seems like pitchers and scouts just figured him out, or his skills regressed, or likely some combination of both. The version of Julien that we saw two years would've dominated in this offensive environment, and did. In 2023, before being called up for good, Julien had a .932 OPS with the Saints. Even last year, during his performance-driven demotions, he put up an .803 OPS and popped some extra-base hits.

    This year, there's been nothing positive to cling onto. He's drawn some walks from time to time, leading to a .388 OBP, but when pitchers come into the zone he can't do much, batting .231 with a .308 slugging percentage in 85 plate appearances while striking out at an exorbitant 27% clip. He hasn't had an extra-base hit in two weeks.

    Julien, like Miranda, is only 26 years old. It's too soon to give up on him, although both players' defensive shortcomings only magnify the implications of their offensive freefalls. The clock is ticking on these former standouts to turn it around and become viable options for a Twins hitting mix that could sorely use an infusion of explosiveness. Right now they're both a long way from forcing that conversation, and trending the wrong way, but their time hasn't run out yet. 

    There is no doubt: Even as they return to nearly full-strength this weekend in Seattle, the Minnesota Twins are going to need more reinforcements over the course of the summer. Heck, they could use one or two right now, even with their full complement of planned starters. Julien and Miranda are down but not out. Can one or both find the lost spark before writing their way out of the organization's plans?

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    They will likely both figure out the issues at some point. Miranda has higher upside if he can get fully healthy. Julien is more of a ghost since he is more replaceable by LK, Culpepper and a half dozen other guys that will be knocking the MLB door down over the next 2 seasons. 

    Unless they can turn things around, I think they've been passed up on the depth chart by Keaschal, Lee, Clemens, Bride, maybe eventually Eeles. I doubt we could recoup anything in a trade for them, but we need some better infielders in our system.

    I suspect they could be included in any mid-season trades as a change of scenery candidate, but we couldn't get much for either on their own. I agree that there's more hope for Miranda as his problems might be injury related. As for Julien he has to figure out that he's not Ted Williams and umpires aren't going to give the benefit of the doubt on close pitches and that he's going to have to learn to hit them. I'm not optimistic that he can adjust.

    I guess im the opposite in belief for these guys. I actually think Julien has the better chance to figure it out. Julien DID have power until recently and his game has been about a good approach of looking for a pitch, controlling the zone, and taking a good number of BB along with some K's. I see him as a lighter power Wallner in approach. But from May 1st of 2024 he's just been a MESS in a bizarre mix of being too aggressive at times, and too passive at other times.

    Miranda has an ingrained belief that making contact with anything he can reach is a good thing. But that leads over and over to swings and misses or weak contact. A few times in his career...including his breakout MILB season...he has been able to reign in that instinct and he's looked excellent. I just don't know that he can overcome that "make contact with anything/everything" instinct he has.

    Of course I root for both guys to figure it out. But with Lee growing as a MlB player, with Keaschall as top prospect, with guys like Schobel, Culpepper, and DeBarge flashing and just getting better and better, I'm just not sure if either has a future with the Twins at this point.

     

    Yeah they are beyond cooked. Simply don't have the mental to play in the big leagues and are bad defenders and baserunners. Need to get guys like that out of the organization. Alcala being another good example, can't pitch with a runner on base.

    16 hours ago, DocBauer said:

    ... Julien DID have power until recently...

     

    What power? Every stop of Julien's along the way with 200+ PA with ISO. In regard to ISO, I'd say:
    .000-.124 = No Power
    .125-.150 = Light power 5-9 HR
    .150-.199 = Some pop to mediocre power 10-19 HR
    .200-.249 = Above average power tool 20+ HR guy
    .250-.299 = True power hitter 30+ HR guy
    .300+ = Elite power 40+ HR guy


    a22 - A, ISO = .156
    a22 - A+, ISO = .247
    a23 - AA, ISO = .190
    a24 - MLB, ISO = .195
    a25 - AAA, ISO = .167
    a25 - MLB, ISO = .124
    a26 - AAA, ISO = .071 (only 94 PA)
    a26 - MLB, ISO = .121 (only 104 PA)

    Julien typically hangs out in that mediocre power area. He's got a little more home run pop than Miranda, but not much. Same real category. Miranda managed an ISO of .157 and .158 in his two full seasons in MLB.

    Julien having power is I think the same perception people had of Alex Kirilloff, who also did not have much game power, but fans thought he did for some reason?

    3 hours ago, bean5302 said:

    What power? Every stop of Julien's along the way with 200+ PA with ISO. In regard to ISO, I'd say:
    .000-.124 = No Power
    .125-.150 = Light power 5-9 HR
    .150-.199 = Some pop to mediocre power 10-19 HR
    .200-.249 = Above average power tool 20+ HR guy
    .250-.299 = True power hitter 30+ HR guy
    .300+ = Elite power 40+ HR guy


    a22 - A, ISO = .156
    a22 - A+, ISO = .247
    a23 - AA, ISO = .190
    a24 - MLB, ISO = .195
    a25 - AAA, ISO = .167
    a25 - MLB, ISO = .124
    a26 - AAA, ISO = .071 (only 94 PA)
    a26 - MLB, ISO = .121 (only 104 PA)

    Julien typically hangs out in that mediocre power area. He's got a little more home run pop than Miranda, but not much. Same real category. Miranda managed an ISO of .157 and .158 in his two full seasons in MLB.

    Julien having power is I think the same perception people had of Alex Kirilloff, who also did not have much game power, but fans thought he did for some reason?

    taking your categories at face value and numbering them from 1 (weakest) to 6 (most powerful), Julien's gone from a guy who was in category 3 or 4 for 3 season before falling all the way down to category 1. That's a significant drop-off in power, which is the point: Julien used to show some pop in his bat (even if he wasn't a slugger) and right now he's got nothing. He doesn't need to be a big-time slugger, but he has to be at least a threat and right now no one is going to fear him.

    Julien looks like he has a lot of work to do, and I don't expect to see him back any time soon. I hope he figures it out.




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