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    Bringing Back The Band... And That's Just Fine


    Seth Stohs

    On Monday morning, the Minnesota Twins made it official that Michael Cuddyer, Torii Hunter and LaTroy Hawkins were coming back to the organization. No, they aren’t going to come out of retirement. Though all three could probably still contribute in some way on the field, they are going to attempt to help the Twins off the field and in the front office.

    I’m not sure when the “bringing back the gang” saying became a negative thing. I believe it was when the Twins decided to bring back Jason Kubel and Matt Guerrier on minor league deals before the 2014 season. Both were veterans who had solid MLB careers but were both coming off of injuries. The Twins took a chance on both, hoping they might be back at 100% and able to contribute. In both cases, it really didn’t work.

    A year later, the Twins brought Torii Hunter back for one more season. He had his ups and downs on the field that season, but few can question the impact he had in the clubhouse, even if you struggle to believe in the value of veteran leadership.

    The negative tone some chose to take for such signings went to a ridiculous level in the last year or so. When the Twins were looking to hire a manager, some didn’t want Paul Molitor. Maybe those people were right, but if the reasoning was because of his previous time with the Twins, then that just isn’t right.

    Even worse, Chip Hale was also considered a candidate early in the process. Some didn’t like that because he played for the Twins, about 20 years ago. Or, when the Twins were looking for a pitching coach two years ago, some said that Frank Viola shouldn’t be considered because he played for the organization, 25 years ago. Forget that he helped develop the likes of Matt Harvey, Jacob DeGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz and the like.

    How about when the Twins were looking for a new GM (which became a new GM and Chief Baseball Operator)? I remember reading somewhere that the Twins probably shouldn’t consider someone like Randy Bush because he played for the Twins for several years in the 1980s and was on two championship teams. It would be Bringing Back The Gang, right? Again, ignore the fact that he hasn’t played in the organization for 25 years, and he’s not only coached in college but has been an assistant GM with the Cubs since long before the Theo Epstein reign began.

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    All Major League organizations bring back players in an “assistant” type of role. The Twins have done that for guys like Rod Carew, Kent Hrbek and Tony Oliva. They represent the organization at events like Twins Fest. They may show up for a while at spring training and other special events. That is a wonderful thing and something current players should appreciate. Last spring training, LaTroy Hawkins, Torii Hunter and Rick Aguilera each spent time in big league spring training.

    With today’s announcement, Cuddyer, Hunter and Hawkins will do that. They’ll be at spring training. They’ll help Paul Molitor with instruction, if asked. They’ll also be there to lend an ear to the players at camp. They’ll share stories. They’ll share things they learned in their careers.

    But they’ll do much more in their roles as special assistants. As Derek Falvey noted in his introductory comments of Monday’s press conference, “Each guy will play a meaningful role in our baseball operation moving forward. That spans across baseball operations, decisions that we make on a day-to-day, but also in player development, amateur scouting, how we transition players to the major leagues, and ultimately how we impact our culture here in Minnesota to get to where we want to be as a team.”

    In their introductory press conference earlier in the month, Thad Levine indicated that long-time Rangers players Michael Young and Darren Oliver hold similar roles in that organization. It isn’t just a token title, but a role where their input will be valued. Likewise in the Cleveland organization, former players such as Travis Hafner have a similar role.

    But one thing was clear from the press conference on Monday afternoon, the Twins had a great culture at the turn of the century and through those division-winning years. As Michael Cuddyer noted, it was a based on a “belief in teammates and self.”

    Cuddyer noted that it was a culture of team-first, and a culture of winning, throughout the organization, that helped lead to their MLB success. He exemplified the unselfishness of those teams with his willingness to play anywhere on the diamond that he was needed.

    “That is a culture that is established with rookie ball. Professional baseball is a system set up for self-promotion. I think a lot of the players buy into that. When I was coming up through the minor leagues we wanted to win the Eastern League. We wanted to win the Florida State League. We wanted to play that extra week or two weeks of the minor league season. When I would go down on rehab after a few years of being in the big leagues, I didn’t see that anymore. I would see more guys saying, 'I can’t wait to go home,' or 'I better get called up.' I-I-I-I… I think that’s a culture that can get put back into it, but it has to start in the lower minor league levels, the culture of We are going to win. We move up to the Florida State League, we’re going to win there too. We get called up to the Southern League, we’re going to win there too. When we move up to the International League, we’re going to win there too. And you know what, when we move up to the big leagues, we’re going to win there too. That’s a culture that needs to be developed again.”

    For what it’s worth, the Twins have seemingly developed a culture of winning in the minor leagues. In 2016, the Twins had a winning percentage of .542 for their four full-season affiliates. That was good for fifth place among big league organizations. If you want to take that out to the past four seasons, the Twins four, full-season affiliates have combined to go 1,225-1,020, a 54.6% winning percentage, third best in baseball over that stretch. Add to that, the Twins have been 1st, 3rd and 3rd in FIP (fielding independent pitching) the last three years. Brad Steil has certainly led the Twins organization and minor league system in the right direction. It also speaks well of the young talent that Terry Ryan was able to bring in to the organization.

    It’s that culture of winning and togetherness that brings these guys back to the organization.

    Cuddyer was the Twins first-round pick in 1997 out of high school in Norfolk, Virginia. He remained in the organization through the 2011 season. He played in 1,139 games in a Twins uniform. He hit a combined .272/.343/.451 (.794) with 239 doubles and 141 home runs for the Twins. He went to one All-Star Game as a Twins player (his final season). He went to Colorado where he went to another All-Star Game and won the 2013 batting title with a .331 average. He played in the 2015 World Series for the Mets. Injuries and a desire to spend more time with his family are the reasons he decided to retire following that season.

    LaTroy Hawkins was the Twins seventh-round pick in 1991 out of high school in Gary, Indiana. He was in the Twins organization through the 2003 season. He spent 21 seasons in the big leagues and only nine pitchers in MLB history pitched in more games than Hawkins’ 1,042. For the Twins, he struggled as a starter, and he struggled as a closer. Late in his time in the organization, he moved to a set up role, and his career took off.

    Torii Hunter was the Twins first-round pick in 1993 out of high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. He stayed in the organization through the 2007 season. He took a huge money deal to play five years for the Angels and then two years with the Tigers. He returned to the organization for the 2015 season. In all, he hit .268/.321/.462 (.783) with 281 doubles and 215 homer runs in 1,373 games over 12 years with the Twins.

    All three experienced a lot of frustrations in their careers (injuries, struggles, demotions, etc.), and all three experienced longevity and a lot of successes in their careers. All three were and are greatly respected by their peers. All three of them give credit to the Minnesota Twins organization for who they were on and off the field. So when the Twins called offering these positions, it was an easy choice for each.

    Cuddyer said, “There was really only one team that I saw myself ever being affiliated with again at this level in this early stage of my retirement, and that was the Twins. When this opportunity came about, I was excited to get join back in the organization. The organization made such a huge impact to me, a huge impact to myself and my family. This was the organization I wanted to be affiliate if I was going to do anything other than be with my family.”

    Hunter added “When I came back to retire, I was here to stay for life. The reason why I am here is because of the passion I have for this organization, the love that I have for this organization. And also wanting this organization to be a championship ball club and have a great atmosphere. That’s what I’m here for. It’s not work for me. It’s something I want to do. It’s a passion for me.

    Hawkins noted that he had several other similar offers, but “Once the Twins offer came, there wasn’t any other place I wanted to be. Home. Where it all started. I was very excited when I got the call about possibly joining the Twins family again.”

    Chief Baseball Operator Derek Falvey called it a perfect match. He said, “It became so clear that these three wanted to embed themselves in our baseball culture and be a part of the solution and actively work. There’s really no area of baseball operations that these guys aren’t going to hit. And they’re going to be resources for Thad (Levine), for me, and for the rest of the guys here to play a meaningful role in what we’re building. (It wasn’t specifically) about getting former Twins players. We want good people, people who care about the development of where we’re going as an organization. It helps greatly when you have three guys who care as deeply as these three do about the team, so this was a perfect match as we started to work down that path.”

    Bringing Back the Band doesn’t have to have the negative connotation that some seem to put on it. This is a case where the organization should be thrilled to bring back these three guys. They have represented the Twins organization well. They have always been appreciative of what the organization did for them and their families. All three are well known for giving back to their communities, and now are excited to give back to the Twins organization. It’s exciting that they aren’t going to be just “token” special assistants and want to be active. It’ll be interesting to see and hear how that will play out over the coming years.

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    But when are you looking at?  Most of the minor league coaches and staff have come in after 2012 and have been producing very good results both in minor league wins but also player development.    Most of the current ML staff has came in around 2014.  I think Molitor should go but ...

     

    Part of this burn it all down mentality doesn't stand up because people don't know what they want to burn down.  Klaw, of all people, has nothing but good things to say about both the Twins scouting and development departments, for example.  Brad Stiel has done a pretty good job since taking over in 2012.  I don't think he should go.  I'm on the fence on Johnson but know enough to know I don't know enough.

     

    None of that has anything to do with what I posted.....so far, we are seeing more insiders than outsiders come into the org....that's what people are reacting to. Not saying it is good or bad, saying that anyone who can't understand the angst isn't actually trying at all to understand people that don't agree with them...the major issue in this world, frankly.

     

    None of that has anything to do with what I posted.....so far, we are seeing more insiders than outsiders come into the org.....

    I think if you are equating hiring three former Twins (who last played for the org in 2015, 2011 and 2001) to be equal to hiring Falvey and Levine then we have real problems.  Those shouldn't be 1:1 comparisons.  

     

    I think if you are equating hiring three former Twins (who last played for the org in 2015, 2011 and 2001) to be equal to hiring Falvey and Levine then we have real problems.  Those shouldn't be 1:1 comparisons.  

     

    I'm not.....but others are, and poo pooing their concerns seems like a brush off of people that others don't agree with, without even making an effort to understand their concerns. I don't know how to make that more clear...chitown got it.

    Count me in with the critics. Yes, other teams bring in their former players in similar capacities. But the Twins have been so insular, for so long, that this makes me wonder what has really changed with the new bosses.

     

    What I would find more exciting is if Falvey and Levine brought in special instructors who were Indians or Rangers players. The Twins youngsters wouldn't have a preference which team their instructors played for. This isn't for the youngsters, it's for the long-time fans.

    Edited by Boom Boom

     

    In fairness....NOTHING other than two new hires has really changed, right?

     

    Still the same scouts, minor league managers and coaches and staff, still mostly the same major league staff....

     

    You really can't understand anyone looking and thinking, "what has changed"? I don't care about this much, but I can certainly understand how people can look at this as the same old same old....

    Year 1 of Falvey and   Levine.    Just   saying.....

    Edited by HitInAPinch

    This clubhouse needs some fire and Hunter brings that dynamic no doubt (albeit controversial at times).  Cuddyer is apparently a leader and Hawkins is a standup guy as well.  Do i think they will be difference makers?  No, not really.  Mentors? Perhaps.  

     

    In fairness....NOTHING other than two new hires has really changed, right?

     

    Still the same scouts, minor league managers and coaches and staff, still mostly the same major league staff....

     

    You really can't understand anyone looking and thinking, "what has changed"? I don't care about this much, but I can certainly understand how people can look at this as the same old same old....

     

    I don't think it's realistic to burn the place down and rebuild.  They need to imprint their vision on those here and find out who can go along with it and who is too stuck in the past.  

     

    A few former players associated with the franchise doesn't move the needle much.  It's probably more of an olive branch than anything.

     

    I do get the concern, the rampant nepotism in this organization has long been my main issue.  I'm just going to give these new guys plenty of leeway early on.  They deserve that and I don't want to judge their actions by decades of actions by Ryan.  I'm not sure that's fair.  But I am, just like you, wary of the nepotism.  

     

    I don't think it's realistic to burn the place down and rebuild.  They need to imprint their vision on those here and find out who can go along with it and who is too stuck in the past.  

     

    A few former players associated with the franchise doesn't move the needle much.  It's probably more of an olive branch than anything.

     

    I do get the concern, the rampant nepotism in this organization has long been my main issue.  I'm just going to give these new guys plenty of leeway early on.  They deserve that and I don't want to judge their actions by decades of actions by Ryan.  I'm not sure that's fair.  But I am, just like you, wary of the nepotism.  

     

    Agreed, I will not judge them based on Ryan tinted glasses....

    Too much is being ballyhooed about bringing back Hunter, Cuddyer, Hawkins for their input.  Is it nice to have ex-MLBers in camp and in the organization yes but the bigger issues will be what Levine and Falvey do with the entire MiLB coaching staffs and instructors because THAT is where the organization needs a turnover especially on the pitching front.

     

    2017 will be a work in progress but I'm betting by 17-18 offseason the MiLB staffs will look much different

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    For my money they are 'bringing back the band' to teach these guys how to be professionals.  You don't have the type of careers these guys had by mistake.  These 3 too were once immature and probably took the game for granted to a certain extent.  They had to be taught by pro's like Kirby what it takes to succeed.   Once they learned what it take to be a MLB player they did quite well for themselves.  I would be quite pleased if during spring training they offer on the field pointers.  Last time I checked Torii won multiple gold gloves and was considered a top 3 or so at worst CF during his prime.  LaTroy had a 20+ year MLB career and Cuddy won a batting title.  You don't do that by mistake.  With that being said we need to upgrade the talent levels on this club sooner rather than later especially in the pitching world. 

    Cuddyer made an astute observation when he pointed out that when he rehabbed he caught too much "III" and "are we there yet?" We have a younger generation that has absolutely no clue about working toward a goal because they've always got what they wanted when they wanted.

     

    We know the Twins have a problem moving players at the right pace through the minors, but, we also don't if there is a problem with an "I" before "team" attitude that is holding back players.

     

    It's very possible that's something that has been identified as a problem organization wide and these guys may be part of the answer.

     

    Cuddyer made an astute observation when he pointed out that when he rehabbed he caught too much "III" and "are we there yet?" We have a younger generation that has absolutely no clue about working toward a goal because they've always got what they wanted when they wanted.

     

    We know the Twins have a problem moving players at the right pace through the minors, but, we also don't if there is a problem with an "I" before "team" attitude that is holding back players.

     

    It's very possible that's something that has been identified as a problem organization wide and these guys may be part of the answer.

     

    So, you are arguing that there-is-no-i-in-team-but-there-are-two-in-Torii is part of the solution for this?

     

    So, you are arguing that there-is-no-i-in-team-but-there-are-two-in-Torii is part of the solution for this?

    The same Torii that got into a fight with Justin Morneau because Hunter thought Morneau lacked the appropriate work ethic?

     

    Torii Hunter is known for his work ethic. That's a given. Hunter played for a long time at a high level. He was also known as a clubhouse guy.

     

    I suspect Hunter just might have something to offer.

    Let me get this straight, our new front office has been on the job a month now and they've already succumbed to the nepotism of the Twons way. Wow, that must be one hell of a cultural pull.

     

    Really, these two come from outside the organization and likely see something in the three that meets the needs that the new FO sees as important. It's not like Hunter, Cuddyer, and Hawkins have been outside MN. They've all experienced success with different organizations including the World Series. They were all popular and good team leaders. Their experience outside and within the Twins should bring a valuable asset to this organization. At least IMO that's what Falvey and Levine believe.

     

    For those that fear a continuation of the same old way, I guess I can only say that one has to have a little faith and patience. It is very likely we won't see many major changes until deep into 2017. I think it's important to see the subtle changes at first, like signing Castro or releasing Plouffe.

     

     

    The same Torii that got into a fight with Justin Morneau because Hunter thought Morneau lacked the appropriate work ethic?

     

    Sure.

    Thought is the operative word here (other than the fact that LNP was punched, before Mornaeu would beat the * out of Hunter)

     

    Fact:  Who was the MVP between those two?

    Fact:  Who left the Twins for more $, after they made him a reasonable offer?

     

     

     

     

    Edited by Thrylos

     

    In fairness....NOTHING other than two new hires has really changed, right?

     

    Still the same scouts, minor league managers and coaches and staff, still mostly the same major league staff....

     

    You really can't understand anyone looking and thinking, "what has changed"? I don't care about this much, but I can certainly understand how people can look at this as the same old same old....

     

    Adding a Chief Baseball Operator whose job is to set the ton and the plan and the strategy for the whole organization is new. They have a new GM. Those are two pretty huge positions - some might say the biggest - in the baseball operations of the organization. 

     

    Everyone underneath will have to adjust to the new thinking or not be here this time next year. 

     

    Everyone underneath will have to adjust to the new thinking or not be here this time next year. 

     

    Thus, is the issue.  Go back and read what you wrote in this article.  The new hires were not "adjusting to any new thinking" but were channeling the "Twins Way" of "winning" of their time with the Twins, which is not new thinking (and they really did not win much...)

     

     

    Edited by Thrylos

     

    Thus, is the issue.  Go back and read what you wrote in this article.  The new hires were not "adjusting to any new thinking" but were channeling the "Twins Way" of "winning" of their time with the Twins, which is not new thinking (and they really did not win much...)

     

    It's a way of thinking in every organization. It's wanting players who are passionate about the team, who want to give back, who believe in the process from scouting to player development and all the way up to the big leagues. They all want to bring championships back to Minnesota. They believe in team. They have had a lot of respect and success. They want players to work hard and push each other while cheering for each other. Can't imagine there is an organization in baseball that wouldn't want those things. 

     

    Also, it's very likely that these three have had these types of conversations with Falvey and Levine and grasp their thinking and their path. These guys won't be decision-makers. They'll each be small voices while learning the other side of the game, the front office side. 

     

     

     

    It's a way of thinking in every organization. It's wanting players who are passionate about the team, who want to give back, who believe in the process from scouting to player development and all the way up to the big leagues. They all want to bring championships back to Minnesota. They believe in team. They have had a lot of respect and success. They want players to work hard and push each other while cheering for each other. Can't imagine there is an organization in baseball that wouldn't want those things.

     

    I get that, but please, stop it here.  Define success and define respect.

     

    Torii Hunter has made some darn racist arguments against black Hispanics.  And he refused to apologize.  And now that burden is on the Twins Front Office...

     

    Secondly.  I'd love to know how many collective world series titles these guys won for the Twins?

    Zero, zip, nada.

     

    No success.  No respect. (plus a racist who might blow up another day depending on questioning, or might call a reporter a "prick" but now on the Twins' payroll...)

    I get not burning it down and starting over, but isn't there some middle ground there?

    Bruno and Jerry White, those are the only guys in the entire organization that Levine and Falvey have cut loose, am I correct?

    I guess I figured that as completely awful as this organization has been the last 6 years, there might have been at least a few guys in the milb/scouting/training/analytics that haven't been getting the job done.

     

    Now, of course, I'm not bailing. I still have high hopes for these guys and faith. But I'm definitely viewing them a bit more suspiciously than I was the day they were introduced.

     

    If the idea is to take a year to familiarize themselves with everyone before making any firings, then I can accept that, but I hope that the people here who are expecting is to compete in the next 2 years realize that that essentially pushes the pause button for a full year.

    I'm OK with that, I can accept the long view (if it works), but I know there are a few here who aren't going to be happy if it's a 4 or 5 year project.

     

    Sure.

    Thought is the operative word here (other than the fact that LNP was punched, before Mornaeu would beat the * out of Hunter)

     

    Fact:  Who was the MVP between those two?

    Fact:  Who left the Twins for more $, after they made him a reasonable offer?

    There are many articles out there, most of them about winning the MVP, saying that his work ethic was poor and he admitted that. His focus wasn't on the field. He was a known party boy and tried to get Mauer to do it too, which obviously did not work.

     

    I don't agree with Hunter swinging at Morneau, but it's well known that many people, including his manager, believed that Morneau wasn't as focused on his job as he should have been. Morneau said a benching and a talk with Gardy is what turned it all around that year. He started to take his job more seriously...do early BP etc.

     

    I get not burning it down and starting over, but isn't there some middle ground there?
    Bruno and Jerry White, those are the only guys in the entire organization that Levine and Falvey have cut loose, am I correct?
    I guess I figured that as completely awful as this organization has been the last 6 years, there might have been at least a few guys in the milb/scouting/training/analytics that haven't been getting the job done.

    Now, of course, I'm not bailing. I still have high hopes for these guys and faith. But I'm definitely viewing them a bit more suspiciously than I was the day they were introduced.

    If the idea is to take a year to familiarize themselves with everyone before making any firings, then I can accept that, but I hope that the people here who are expecting is to compete in the next 2 years realize that that essentially pushes the pause button for a full year.
    I'm OK with that, I can accept the long view (if it works), but I know there are a few here who aren't going to be happy if it's a 4 or 5 year project.

    Butch Davis, but yes, those are the only known guys that have been removed by Falvey/Levine. There may have been more and they just haven't leaked, but I'm guessing that's not the case.

     

    And I do believe that they plan on adding vs subtracting (your last paragraph). I think they've said that in few different interviews. That might change, but I'm guessing they don't know a ton about a lot of these guys so I'm assuming the plan is to see who's willing to get on board with their plan and who is also good at executing it. They can then cut the people who don't work out.

     

    Also it sounded like both the Rangers and Indians did not want to let either guy take anyone from their previous organization. I know Levine had that agreement to not take anyone and it was thought that Falvey would take one guy, but instead that one guy re-upped with the Indians.

    While I understand the concern that a number of people have expressed over this move I'd like to point out that these individuals have had successes in other organizations as well as here. They will bring in that diversity of experience along with a passion for the organization that they all started with. When Cleveland and Texas brought in former big league players to front office/instructor type roles it was not players from elsewhere, it was players who had meaning and impact to those organizations.

     

    With that said, this isn't a huge move but it is a start at building out the front office. The hires that might be the most impactful long term probably won't come with a press release because they won't be named the general public knows as they beef up scouting and analytic staffing. That and the minor league coaching staff is what I'm really interested in for this year.

    While Hawkins was certainly a significant player for the Twins, he left after the 2003 season.  He played for 12 more years, on 10 different teams.  He's experienced other team cultures and been exposed to other ideas, for quite a bit longer than he played for the Twins.  That ought to be a useful perspective to have when talking to younger players.

    I'd prefer they load up the front office with talent evaluators and stat guys, not guys stuck in the 1970's like Torri Hunter...

     

    I do like the Hawkins hire, Cuddy could be interesting as well.

     

    Hunter just reeks of "hey maybe this will sell tickets! Former Twins great!"

     

    Hopefully I'm wrong.

    Edited by DaveW

    Cuddyer made an astute observation when he pointed out that when he rehabbed he caught too much "III" and "are we there yet?" We have a younger generation that has absolutely no clue about working toward a goal because they've always got what they wanted when they wanted.

     

    We know the Twins have a problem moving players at the right pace through the minors, but, we also don't if there is a problem with an "I" before "team" attitude that is holding back players.

     

    It's very possible that's something that has been identified as a problem organization wide and these guys may be part of the answer.

     

    Bull ****. On behalf of my sons, who are in that generation, you are wrong, very wrong, to disparage an entire generation. But go ahead generalize.




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