Sano sitting for a few days after how he handled himself hitting homerun

[Steven Buhr]

Just clicked around a bit. The Twins do have Latino coaches at both rookie levels. Henry Bonilla is the pitching coach at Elizabethton. Almost the entire GCL Twins staff (Rudy Hernandez, Ramon Borrega, Luis Ramirez, Riccardo Ingram, Ehren Wassermann) is Latino. (OK, maybe not Ehren so much). Pretty sure it was Hernandez that was hitting coach at NB a year ago.

 

Obviously, the GCL team is where you need a lot of Latino coaches, given it's the first stop for so many Latin American players when they come to the States. But yes, absolutely, the Twins would benefit from more of that presence at all levels.

 

Not that a lack of such is an excuse for blatant insubordination by a player.

[jay]

Given how the Twins like to go in house, I was trying to think of former Twins that would fit the mold of a young, Latin coach.

 

The only guy I could come up with that has any sort of coaching experience is Juan Castro.

 

Who am I missing?

[TheLeviathan]

Also if you hate your AA manager you can do something about it...just kick ass and force your self to AAA and the Majors. Stick it to him that way, not by arguing with him. Actions speak louder than words etc etc etc etc

 

Well, unless the coach at your level isn't giving good reports on you.

 

This has to be a two-way street. Sano has to respect and listen to coaching on how to mature his game and the Twins have to understand that part of his game is playing with an edge.

 

Given the organization's history over the last few decades, it warrants some watching to make sure we aren't trying to brainwash Sano into a Mauer clone. Don't think we're there yet though - they've been advancing the kid aggressively.

[jokin]

Well, unless the coach at your level isn't giving good reports on you.

 

This has to be a two-way street. Sano has to respect and listen to coaching on how to mature his game and the Twins have to understand that part of his game is playing with an edge.

 

Given the organization's history over the last few decades, it warrants some watching to make sure we aren't trying to brainwash Sano into a Mauer clone. Don't think we're there yet though - they've been advancing the kid aggressively.

 

I like his accelerated promotion schedule this year, I thought he could have made the move to Ft Myers at some point last year. He seemed to be spinning his wheels in Beloit as the season progressed. Time has proven that he was more than ready to make the move to A+... let's say.... last July.

[jokin]

Heavy Irony Meter alert!!!

 

Video: Miguel Sano of New Britain Rock Cats disciplined after 29-second home run 'trot' | masslive.com

 

"If Sano were in the major leagues, his 29-second wandering of the basepaths would rank among the 10 slowest of the season, according to Wezen-Ball.com’s Tater Trot Tracker. Eight of the 10 slowest home run trots for 2013 have been recorded by David Ortiz of the Boston Red Sox."

[twinsnorth49]

Well, unless the coach at your level isn't giving good reports on you.

 

This has to be a two-way street. Sano has to respect and listen to coaching on how to mature his game and the Twins have to understand that part of his game is playing with an edge.

 

Given the organization's history over the last few decades, it warrants some watching to make sure we aren't trying to brainwash Sano into a Mauer clone. Don't think we're there yet though - they've been advancing the kid aggressively.

 

If that means be yourself and play your own game I agree, if it's a suggestion that being like Mauer is somehow a bad thing because he's not demonstrative, I don't. I'd take another Mauer, thank you very much.

[TheLeviathan]

If that means be yourself and play your own game I agree, if it's a suggestion that being like Mauer is somehow a bad thing because he's not demonstrative, I don't. I'd take another Mauer, thank you very much.

 

It means let him be himself. What I don't want is trying to put square pegs in round holes like we've done too frequently in the past. I don't have a problem with Mauer's demeanor, but I'd also like a few more guys on the roster with some edge/bravado.

[raindog]

I really don't think Sano will ever learn this particular lesson. He did the same thing with Beloit, he did the same thing with Ft Myers, and now he's doing it with New Britain. And people still don't want the Twins to do anything about it? Whatever. Good luck ever being able to treat him like anything but a prima donna if you wait 'til he's in Minnesota to even try.

 

Going all the way back to the 16 yr old Sano in the documentary, he's come off as "me first" kid. Given his background, that's not surprising, but I don't have to like that he hasn't grown out of that yet and doesn't appear likely to.

 

I do think it's unfortunate for the fans who aren't getting to see his talent on the field while he's benched and if it costs his team some wins, his team mates pay an unfair price, too. Maybe sitting him a game and then dropping his butt to #9 in the order for a week or more would be as effective and still let fans see him hit. His ego might smart just as much from that as it would from a benching.

 

Either way, I'm not confident he'll ever learn this particular "lesson" and one day someone will put one in his ear.

 

I'm a Twins fan and I hope to be able to watch Sano's talent on display in a Twins uniform for a long time. But I don't have to "like" every Twins player, regardless of their talent. I'm a big Byron Buxton fan, but I am starting to think I may never really like Sano beyond simply for what he can accomplish statistically for my particular favorite team.

Geeze. This is so extreme. He seemed like an awesome kid in Pelotero, by the way.

 

He's young. He will learn.

[jokin]

If that means be yourself and play your own game I agree, if it's a suggestion that being like Mauer is somehow a bad thing because he's not demonstrative, I don't. I'd take another Mauer, thank you very much.

 

Based on what we've seen thus far, Sano's approach and demeanor is the polar opposite of Mauer's. There has to be room for both in the line-up. The onus is on the Twins managment to make it work.

[jokin]

Geeze. This is so extreme. He seemed like an awesome kid in Pelotero, by the way.

 

He's young. He will learn.

 

Yup. Good point on Pelotero. Let's wait until he at least turns 21 before we draw any sweeping conclusions on how the maturation process is proceeding./exaggeration to effect

[twinsnorth49]

Based on what we've seen thus far, Sano's approach and demeanor is the polar opposite of Mauer's. There has to be room for both in the line-up. The onus is on the Twins managment to make it work.

 

Yes, I agree with that, let him be himself. It wouldn't hurt him to take a page from Joe's discipline in such areas however, that doesn't suggest making him a Mauer clone.

[jokin]

Yes, I agree with that, let him be himself. It wouldn't hurt him to take a page from Joe's discipline in such areas however, that doesn't suggest making him a Mauer clone.

 

I agree with this, in principle. As Reusse alluded to earlier in his article, we can now envision a radically younger batting order coming as early as some point in time, next year: 1)Hicks/Buxton 2)Rosario 3) Mauer 4) Sano 5) Arcia 6)Hicks 7)Parmelee/Plouffe.

 

I hope it is in Mauer's makeup to break his quiet, but personally competent, responsible and accountable, persona and provide the strong leadership necessary to what looks to be a very, very young lineup.

[jokin]

Adam Pettersen playing 3B and batting 9th for the Rock Cats tonight.

[TheLeviathan]

Yes, I agree with that, let him be himself. It wouldn't hurt him to take a page from Joe's discipline in such areas however, that doesn't suggest making him a Mauer clone.

 

One might suggest Mauer could take a thing or two away from a player like Sano too.

[big dog]

Carew- he's worked with Twins players in spring training for years, but doesn't want any regular season gig. The Angels broadcasters the other night said that he still did some work for the Twins, and didn't mention any relationship with the Angels at this point.

 

I believe Tony Oliva is also there, but of course he's quite a few ballplayer-generations removed from the current guys. And spring training is nothing like the regular season, obviously.

 

Old boys' club- that got shook up a bit last year. And Bobby Cuellar in on the staff now, though of course he's in the bullpen during games. Still, better than previous years.

 

Sano rivaling Ortiz' home run trots- I don't see that as a good thing, partly because Ortiz has an incredible track record to back him up, and also because both of Sano's legs still actually function.

 

I worry a little bit about the attitude, but I'm more concerned that he gets beaned and it wrecks his career and future health prospects. Saying that part of the game is "stupid" doesn't make it any less part of the game.

[big dog]

One might suggest Mauer could take a thing or two away from a player like Sano too.

 

Such as?

[AROG]

Firstly, I thnk having a flair for the dramatic is just fine. They handle it on the field, you show up a pitcher, you are probably going to get plunked. The Twins as a whole aren't big fans of that but it's not like Deduno got benched for showing up the Angels after his big strike out.

 

Secondly, He may not have been benched solely because of his slow trot. The coach didn't take him out of the game, he played the rest of it at 3B. It is very possible that he broke some other team rule. My supposition is that the coach tried to talk to him about it after the game, saying they don't need to get in a brawl because of the way he acted and told him that he was sitting him the next game so he wouldn't get beamed and Sano, like any 20 year old kid probably said something smart response, probably behind the coaches back, causing him to be sat for a few games. Ryan went out of his way in the article today to say how the two young stars in the minors were not just talented young men but great human beings.

 

It is far more likely that Sano said something immature that got him to ride the pine then just the bat toss. He did that in Fort Myers and their was no ill will. Not saying there is a in of truth to this, but hey, no source from the Twins says it was the bat toss, it could be other things.

[big dog]

See my post for the quote from Twins management on his "official" status.

 

Your post said "He's not going to play for a few games." It didn't say he was suspended.

[twinsnorth49]

One might suggest Mauer could take a thing or two away from a player like Sano too.

 

I think the evolution of all great athletes includes learning and adopting from other great athletes, in this instance I don't think a guy like Mauer has much take from Miguel.

[jokin]

Your post said "He's not going to play for a few games." It didn't say he was suspended.

 

FWIW- I never hinted that he was suspended- or anything else. I just quoted Twins management.

[Pitz]

This whole discussion and the bits and pieces makes me a little nervous about the relationship between the Twins (management and coaches) and Sano. Hopefully we are all only really making a mountain out of what is only a molehill. I know there are some great issues being discussed and appreciate the contributions, but hopefully the coaches/management and Sano are getting on the same page. Hopefully, Sano fully understands why he has been benched, the message isn't that he needs to lose his bravado, but that he needs to respect his teammates, coaches, opponents and the game. Hopefully, Sano respects the decision, learns from it, grows, and continues to work his tail off to be the best person and baseball player he can be. Hopefully the Twins win multiple championships with he and Buxton leading the charge. That's a lot of hopefuls, but with the current state of the big league club, what more do we have?

 

On another note, has there been any information about when Sano will return to the lineup? I just recently moved to the Philly area and have been really looking forward to seeing the Rock Cats for the first time in Reading this weekend. I already missed Buxton earlier this season when he had the thumb injury. It would be nice if I didn't have to miss Sano too.

[jokin]

Firstly, I thnk having a flair for the dramatic is just fine. They handle it on the field, you show up a pitcher, you are probably going to get plunked. The Twins as a whole aren't big fans of that but it's not like Deduno got benched for showing up the Angels after his big strike out.

 

Secondly, He may not have been benched solely because of his slow trot. The coach didn't take him out of the game, he played the rest of it at 3B. It is very possible that he broke some other team rule. My supposition is that the coach tried to talk to him about it after the game, saying they don't need to get in a brawl because of the way he acted and told him that he was sitting him the next game so he wouldn't get beamed and Sano, like any 20 year old kid probably said something smart response, probably behind the coaches back, causing him to be sat for a few games. Ryan went out of his way in the article today to say how the two young stars in the minors were not just talented young men but great human beings.

 

It is far more likely that Sano said something immature that got him to ride the pine then just the bat toss. He did that in Fort Myers and their was no ill will. Not saying there is a in of truth to this, but hey, no source from the Twins says it was the bat toss, it could be other things.

 

On Reusse/Mackey today, they alluded to what Jiminy Crikket had posted previously. The New Britain manager has a history of problems working with young players and once had a season where an entire roster he was coaching rebelled against his leadership. (I haven't looked up the details yet). Reusse has done some research on the issue and seems to have come to the conclusion that we have a bad fit for Sano in New Britain and that the Twins need to get with the fact that all the uber-talented Latin players up and down the system are probably going to need to be handled with a different approach than now being employed.

 

I'm glad to hear that Ryan is providing a voice of reason here before this gets too out of hand. I will look to find the article you mentioned. Do you have the link?

[AROG]

On Reusse/Mackey today, they alluded to what Jiminy Crikket had posted previously. The New Britain manager has a history of problems working with young players and once had a season where an entire roster he was coaching rebelled against his leadership. (I haven't looked up the details yet). Reusse has done some research on the issue and seems to have come to the conclusion that we have a bad fit for Sano in New Britain and that the Twins need to get with the fact that all the uber-talented Latin players up and down the system are probably going to need to be handled with a different approach than now being employed.

 

I'm glad to hear that Ryan is providing a voice of reason here before this gets too out of hand. I will look to find the article you mentioned. Do you have the link?

 

Here is Ryan's quote:

"The system is in good shape," Twins general manager Terry Ryan said. "We've got some players, and some are closer than others. The two kids in the Futures Game are certainly on a faster track. They're both very talented and highly skilled. And they're both good human beings, which is a good thing."

And the link:

The Minnesota Twins' farm system, now the second-best in baseball, keep getting better with the leaps of prospects Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano | twinsbaseball.com: News

[jokin]

Here is Ryan's quote:

"The system is in good shape," Twins general manager Terry Ryan said. "We've got some players, and some are closer than others. The two kids in the Futures Game are certainly on a faster track. They're both very talented and highly skilled. And they're both good human beings, which is a good thing."

And the link:

The Minnesota Twins' farm system, now the second-best in baseball, keep getting better with the leaps of prospects Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano | twinsbaseball.com: News

 

Thanks, AROG. Good to see Ryan backing his kids unconditionally along with the Tough Love. It wouldn't have hurt Patrick Reusse's column to include additional context in the organization's publicly-stated opinion about how they regard Miguel Sano as a person.

[notoriousgod71]

I hope Sano lays down and takes a nap after his next homerun, wakes up three hours later, and then meanders around the bases with his two middle fingers extended the entire trip around the bases.

[notoriousgod71]

And if he pimps a homerun and a brawl ensues, lovely, Twins fans could use some entertainment. When was the last time the Twins were involved in a legitimate brawl anyway?

[Thrylos]

Because there were not mentioned, here are a couple more facts about this:

 

- The pitcher was the ex-Rock Cat Bobby Lanigan. The same Bobby Lanigan who have had several altercations with Miguel Sano in New Britain including some in public and on record (and I am not sure that this is not part of the reason that Lanigan is an ex-Twin) So there was bad blood and Sano "spoke on the field" and he wanted to make an emphasis.

- There is a 7 game losing streak there. Seven. This weighs on a lot of people including the coach and the players.

 

Some not so factual things:

 

- Look at this celebration and look at the "Lambeau Leap" and ask yourselves which is more excessive.

 

- Look at what Sano did and remind yourselves of what Randy Moss did at Green Bay at that play off game. Ask yourselves which is more excessive. And if you are a Vikings' fan, ask yourselves whether that was not one of the all time Vikings highlights for you.

 

Different strokes for different folks.

And nothing is black and white.

[h2oface]

A monster 20 year old has personality. Good for him. I see folks say it is not accepted baseball behavior, but support cowardly throwing at a defenseless batter for silly "I got your back" grade school maturity. Interesting. Once stoning was an accepted tradition. Hopefully, the Twins don't destroy Sano's spirit. There will be plenty of teams 'round the league that would love to give the boy a try.

[MichiganTwins]

I never knew Sano hitting a homerun would prevent him from being a September callup..... But seriously how long is he going to sit. I want him to play now.

[Beezer07]

Thrylos:

 

Why in the world are you comparing NFL celebrations to baseball celebrations? There is nothing similar between the NFL and AA, or even professional, baseball. The tradition, the attitudes, etc... are different. You might as well be comparing all the NBA showboating that's done after huge dunks during meaningless regular season games to MLB, for all the good it'll do ya.