Souhan:Twins are done

[JB_Iowa]

I'm not a Gardy fan, but I can guarantee you that the players on this team aren't as you say and "not bothered" by losing. These aren't a bunch of women who think that the most important thing you do is participate and get a ribbon. These are guys who have gone their whole lives winning and being the star player on their teams. Loosing bothers them, just because they don't show it in a way you deem appropriate doesn't mean they aren't bothered by it.

 

"Loosing" would bother most women. Most women are pretty tight.

[drjim]

Try not to scare women from these boards with the misogyny.

 

I'm interested in the free agency discussion. Who outside of Anibal Sanchez would have made much of an impact on the 2015 club? Even he will be going into his age 31 season in two years. Greinke would have been ridiculous, and why would he come to Minnesota?

 

As for this coming year, expect to be disappointed. Matt Garza is the best option, but I have my doubts that he wants to come back to Minnesota. A.J. Burnett and Kuroda are aging and I'm guessing will want to sign with a contender. Tim Lincecum and Josh Johnson should be targets, but they won't turn this team around.

 

It's difficult to find good pitchers in free agency. And your team needs to be in the right situation to spend big. I hope after the 2014 season, Terry Ryan can target some better options. That's when we can contend. That's when you overspend for pitchers.

 

I like targeting Josh Johnson and Phil Hughes. But even if they sign both it does show the problem with free agency. They would be nice pitchers, but no one that is going to turn around the staff by themselves.

[drjim]

I'm not a Gardy fan, but I can guarantee you that the players on this team aren't as you say and "not bothered" by losing. These aren't a bunch of women who think that the most important thing you do is participate and get a ribbon. These are guys who have gone their whole lives winning and being the star player on their teams. Loosing bothers them, just because they don't show it in a way you deem appropriate doesn't mean they aren't bothered by it.

 

Serously Diehard? Misogony?

[TheLeviathan]

Serously Diehard? Misogony?

 

Im guessing drunken rambling thread material....

[TheLeviathan]

I'm interested in the free agency discussion. Who outside of Anibal Sanchez would have made much of an impact on the 2015 club? Even he will be going into his age 31 season in two years. Greinke would have been ridiculous, and why would he come to Minnesota?

 

Most MLB players start their careers between 22-24 years of age. With 6 years of team control, that would place the vast majority of players at 31 (roughly) in their third year of their FA deal. If anything, that's young, not old. If you think a 25 year old pitching stud is hitting the FA market and that's what you're waiting for, I'm going to caution you that it's virtually impossible. So that excuse for FA shopping is really quite invalid.

 

It's difficult to find good pitchers in free agency. And your team needs to be in the right situation to spend big. I hope after the 2014 season, Terry Ryan can target some better options. That's when we can contend. That's when you overspend for pitchers.

 

Good pitching is difficult to find...period. There is no easy fix for good pitching. You have to draft and develop it. You have to trade for it. And you have to be willing to spend to get it. If we wait until 2014-15, what happens when the best starter on the market makes Anibal Sanchez look like Cy Young? And you waited all that time to blow your wad and the FA class is abysmal? Take for example that some on this board have been lecturing us that the 2012-2013 FA class was "bad" and that the Twins "should wait". Well, 2013-2014 looks no better and if as many elite players sign pre-FA (like Hamels and Cain) it will actually be significantly worse. 2014-2015 is a long way away to start nest-egging to spend.

 

This isn't the NHL where you can just go spend a mega-ton of money one offseason and transform your team. FA works best in piecemeal....one thing at a time along with using the other avenues at your disposal.

[raindog]

I don't disagree with most of what you just said. I know FA pitchers are usually old. That's why signing a pitcher is almost always a bad idea. If you're going to sign one, you should wait until you have a good team. Sign that 29 or 30 year old when you're ready to win.

[Riverbrian]

I'm not a Gardy fan, but I can guarantee you that the players on this team aren't as you say and "not bothered" by losing. These aren't a bunch of women who think that the most important thing you do is participate and get a ribbon. These are guys who have gone their whole lives winning and being the star player on their teams. Loosing bothers them, just because they don't show it in a way you deem appropriate doesn't mean they aren't bothered by it.

 

I know some ladies who would competitively beat me silly for just reading that.

 

Of Course they all want to win... Ask them if they are trying their hardest and they will all say that are.

 

However, if you win 100 games in a year... You still lose 62 games.

 

If you lose 62 plus games a year... That's makes losing an awfully routine thing. In the NFL you get to think about a loss for a week. With Baseball... There is another game tomorrow.

 

We have lost 6 games in a row... For the most part it hasn't been the starting pitching... At bats are being thrown away during this losing streak and offense isn't suppose to be a problem with this team.

 

Tom Kelly said it during the Kernals broadcast. Out of 600 at bats... 100 of them are thrown away. We are throwing away a larger percentage than that right now and its why we are losing. Re-focusing is the only thing that will change that and it gets harder as the losses mount and the games become less meaningful.

 

The team needs to wake up at the plate and start doing some things professionally. Runner on third with nobody out... that run better score for starters.

[TheLeviathan]

I don't disagree with most of what you just said. I know FA pitchers are usually old. That's why signing a pitcher is almost always a bad idea. If you're going to sign one, you should wait until you have a good team. Sign that 29 or 30 year old when you're ready to win.

 

Well, the problem is we don't look to need "one". We need maybe as many as three.

[jokin]

I like targeting Josh Johnson and Phil Hughes. But even if they sign both it does show the problem with free agency. They would be nice pitchers, but no one that is going to turn around the staff by themselves.

 

Well, the problem is we don't look to need "one". We need maybe as many as three.

 

 

How about if the Twins get those 2 and one more and then hire Ray Searage to coach them as part of the package?

[diehardtwinsfan]

Serously Diehard? Misogony?

 

My apologies. I could have made my point in another way.

[Squirrel]

My apologies. I could have made my point in another way.

Here I was going to try and give you a friendly poke about that comment you made and you go and apologize ruining it!

[ashbury]

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[Kirby Puckett]

Trade Mauer and Morneau and take the prospects or whatever mediocre pitcher you can get and clear up that huge chunk of the payroll. It's nice to have a former MVP and a perennial All Star on your team but what have they done for the Twins lately?

[ThePuck]

Trade Mauer and Morneau and take the prospects or whatever mediocre pitcher you can get and clear up that huge chunk of the payroll. It's nice to have a former MVP and a perennial All Star on your team but what have they done for the Twins lately?

 

What has Mauer done lately? Hmmm, well, he's got a 3.8 WAR right now, 7th in the AL. 5th in the AL in runs created (even though he's batting 2nd)and throwing out 46% of would be base stealers.

 

So, I guess, not much really.