Again? The Twins Lose Carlos Correa to the Mets.

[Florida Flash]

Calvin Griffith was right. "They'll ruin baseball". It has just taken a bit longer than he thought it would.

[Minny505]

On 12/21/2022 at 8:56 AM, Nashvilletwin said:

There is absolutely no way I would trade anyone in our organization that has a reasonable chance to contribute to this team over the 2024-2027 time frame for any player who would a) impede the development of any of our top prospects; b) is not demonstrably a step up from what our future can provide; c) is nothing more than a temporary kick save attempt by the FO to resurrect their Mahle, Maeda and Gray strategy, or d) won’t be here for the next window.

Guillorme may be a perfectly reasonable utility infielder for a couple years. But a platoon with Farmer will not save this season, and Guillorme is not going to be part of the long-term solution. As such, any acquisition of Guillorme should not compromise our future in any way, even if it is for a “couple of lottery tickets” - lottery tickets that may actually be more valuable to us.
 

 

I am just going to have to agree to disagree with you on this Nash.

Guillorme would be an upgrade at SS until Lewis is ready and buy the team time until he is completely ready to take over again. With all his time missed over the last few years, there may be rust. A month of play in 2022 is not enough to convince me he will be ready to step in full time as SS at any point in 2022. Same with Lee.

And Guillorme is an upgrade to the roster for the next few seasons. He is an upgrade at SS until a prospect is ready and is an upgrade at backup SS and utility infielder once one of those prospects are ready. 

I'll give up B level talent to get B level talent if the fit is better on the roster. The B level talent the Mets have is a better fit than the B level talent the Twins have creating a logjam in left handed hitting corner outfielders or mediocre SP that are likely to be decent RP.

Because right now, If Farmer goes down for a month on April 12th, it could truly torpedo the season as there is no one on the 40 that can handle the position on a daily basis.

I really think you are overestimating the exchange rate for a player like Guillorme. I doubt anyone the Twins would trade for him would come back to haunt them. Guillorme's just not that kind of talent. But he's a perfect fit on the Twins roster for the next few seasons.

[nicksaviking]

1 hour ago, Minny505 said:

I don't understand this argument. Plenty of championship teams platoon a position on the field, including the 2022 World Series Winning Astros.

The Twins are not likely to be a very good baseball team in 2023, but that they would have a platoon at SS is not at all a reason why. 

Why would you trade multiple assets for two players who would only be part time players, if the team isn't supposed to be very good in 2023?  

[MN_ExPat]

On 12/21/2022 at 3:11 PM, ashbury said:

So how is that different to his bottom line than the shorthand terminology everyone else is using, that he pays tax in each state he plays? His accountant will have to fart around with a dozen or so state filings, but the net-net is that he'll pay less than the NY rate even when he signs with a NY team.

BTW, here is an article from a professional accounting company, which probably outweighs any of the opinions we collectively may have.

I'd also say, to another poster, that it's not always a mistake to equate our own lives to how a big-time ballplayer must look at things, but it's not an infallible guide either. People who played HS ball think they know what a major leaguer is doing; people who travel for work think they know what a major leaguer's finances must look like, etc.  (I'm sure I'm guilty of the same error when presuming to judge the FO and their business/marketing/analytic processes, because a sports franchise is fundamentally different from most businesses, so again, I'm just saying to listen when others push back, and be prepared to learn something.)

Thanks Ash, appreciate it... that link makes it all make a heck of a lot more sense now. 

[Minny505]

On 12/22/2022 at 2:25 PM, nicksaviking said:

Why would you trade multiple assets for two players who would only be part time players, if the team isn't supposed to be very good in 2023?  

Because the part-time player being acquired is a better fit for the Twins roster than the part-time player they would be trading away.