Article: Series Preview: Twins @ Royals, 4/8

[Alex]

Yes, but he wouldn't be getting even those kinds of numbers if he wasn't doing something right on the mound. Bad pitchers don't win more games than they lose - even if it is a team stat. Not on a consistent basis. Besides, isn't the point of the game to win? If we win the game, does anybody really care about his numbers?

 

 

Jeff Gray?

[ashbury]

I thought (and hoped) Correia would be better than most were predicting but I never imagined "Correia" and "pitcher's duel" would be in the same sentence.

 

If Gardy had brought in Robertson to relieve Correia the previous game, with the same disastrous results as the other day, Kevin might have felt honor-bound to challenge Tyler on the dueling grounds outside of town.

[TheLeviathan]

but my impression from the online records is he may have stuck his bat out there and got a few flares to land.

 

Yeah, he's not hitting much hard, but he's working counts and drawing a pretty healthy share of walks. It's just been a bit surprising to see a competent aspect to his offensive game I didn't expect to see.

[Guest USAFChief]

Wins are a team stat. See 2012 Cliff Lee, and 2012 Lance Lynn.

See 1972 Steve Carlton while you're at it.

[LaBombo]

On a positive note, Gardy assures us confidence is not an issue for Hicksie.

 

When you're out of your depth, being self-confident to the point of delusion is an asset.

 

For Gardenhire, obviously.

[LaBombo]

If Gardy had brought in Robertson to relieve Correia the previous game, with the same disastrous results as the other day, Kevin might have felt honor-bound to challenge Tyler on the dueling grounds outside of town.

 

I don't have any idea what this means, but like it anyway.

[ashbury]

See 1972 Steve Carlton while you're at it.

 

For reasons of team, and not individual, success I hope this turns out to be a poor comp.

[ashbury]

I don't have any idea what this means, but like it anyway.

 

Other than "Pitchers' Duel" it has no meaning.

[Ultima Ratio]

Oh, boy. Who's the freshest in the pen?

[Riverbrian]

Correia has to try and play with Gordon a little here.

[LaBombo]

What's that ticking sound? Could it be the egg timer for Faust Correia's

deal with the devil?

[Mr. Brooks]

See 1972 Steve Carlton while you're at it.

 

Or see 1987 Nolan Ryan. As a 40 year old he was easily the best pitcher in baseball, but finished just 5th in Cy Young voting because his W/L was 8-16. What a terrible, terrible pitcher, to lose twice as many as he won!

[Guest USAFChief]

I have a feeling the Gordon AB is going to generate a Perkins discussion.

[Riverbrian]

That wasn't playing with him... Waste a couple. Jeez

[Ultima Ratio]

Got to make a better pitch than that - middle up, with 0-1 count and base open.

[LaBombo]

For reasons of team, and not individual, success I hope this turns out to be a poor comp.

 

Nooooo, don't explain it, that would ruin the... ehh, can there be fog at the duel? Please say yes.

[Riverbrian]

Time for Burton... Correia pitched well... Unfortunate how the 8th turned out.

[TwinVike61]

Why do we have relief pitchers if you don't use them in the 8th inning?

[B Richard]

Who didn't see that coming...

[Ultima Ratio]

I think it's fair criticism that KC be pulled earlier. Why Burton is not in with it tied in the 8th is.... different.

[ashbury]

The Carlton/Ryan comparisons may have been premature. Fire Ryan (ours).

[TheLeviathan]

I'm surprised they pitched that aggressively to a hitter like Gordon. Especially when your stuff is only marginally better than your average AA pitcher. Give him the ol' Unintentional Intentional Walk and get Burton in to face Escobar.

[Shane Wahl]

Am I just an idiot or merely wondering why Correia came out for the 8th? Even Fien would have been a better option.

[Riverbrian]

A shut out thru 7 innings... No problems and under 90 pitches... I let Correia go in the 8th.

[IdahoPilgrim]

A shut out thru 7 innings... No problems and under 90 pitches... I let Correia go in the 8th.

 

I have no problem with that either, but once the tying run got in scoring position, it was time to make the change.

[Guest USAFChief]

Or see 1987 Nolan Ryan. As a 40 year old he was easily the best pitcher in baseball, but finished just 5th in Cy Young voting because his W/L was 8-16. What a terrible, terrible pitcher, to lose twice as many as he won!

From -, Ryan had a winning record in 16 of 22 seasons. If wins were completely independent of the starting pitcher, shouldn't he be more like .500 in winning seasons? Shouldn't most of the pitchers in the hall of fame have as many losing seasons as winning seasons? "Wins are a team stat" is just another stathead meme with a grain of truth at the center, but like most such memes, don't hold up under scrutiny. How the starting pitcher performs is perhaps the single most important factor in who wins a MLB game. Pitch well, and over time you'll win more than you lose.

[B Richard]

A shut out thru 7 innings... No problems and under 90 pitches... I let Correia go in the 8th.

 

Yeah but you still have to remember it's Kevin Correia out there... you have a bullpen full of guys with better pitches. I pat KC on the back for giving me 7 shutout innings and let the bullpen do its job

[TwinVike61]

A shut out thru 7 innings... No problems and under 90 pitches... I let Correia go in the 8th.

 

But after the Cain double (the first one he gave up all game) he should have come out.

[mikecgrimes]

Hate when they play the infield in in non desperation situations, Turning every batter in baseball into a .400 hitter is never a good option unless it's the only option. If you get the out and they tie it big deal nobody on 2 out have faith in the offense. Instead a big inning, let the other team make those kind of mistakes we can't afford it.

[IdahoPilgrim]

So how many of us are thinking back to that first inning and Doumit's baserunning mistake?